Proposal: NYR/EDM

[Just a Fan]

I think they will prefer the other players in the deal and the pick soon enough.

You think a late 2nd excites them enough to trade Nuge?

 

[Just a Fan]

You lost me at "he's batting". His numbers when he has played consistently are excellent. He has had a few stinkers when filling in for Igor.

Not sure why you are quoting me...i didn't make that post.

 

[CupSeeker]

He's never been a starter....he's played a small string of games when the starter was injured....that's a backup.

Now we're going to argue on semantics. When he has played several games in a row due to being the best goalie on the active roster, he has played great. Better?

 

[CupSeeker]

You think a late 2nd excites them enough to trade Nuge?

Alone? No. The questions are getting dumber and dumber. Never mind.

 

[jay from jersey]

Geo absolutely performs much better when getting a heavy workload...
Playing 1 out of every 4-5 games, he can’t seem to stay sharp.
His ideal situation would be someone to let him be a starter or a 1A/1B 60-40 split, something along those lines.
In a true back up role, you don’t know whether Geo is lights out, or not good at all if he sits for too long....
Whoever trades for him, needs to play him a lot for him to be an asset

 

[McDNicks17]

Why Koskinen at 50? We don't need the retention. And Gauthier and Georgiev should be enough to get Yamamoto without giving them Robertson too. Drop the mid round pick. They are the ones with goaltending and cap issues. We shouldn't be doing them any favors.

You aren't doing the Oilers any favours when you're giving them a goalie that's just as bad as Koskinen.

 

[Just a Fan]

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Alone? No. The questions are getting dumber and dumber. Never mind.

So post that proposal, see how it goes.

 

[bernmeister]

Strome's contract expires this season....Nuge has 7 more years at 5.1. And while Geo "may" be an upgrade, that's no guarantee. And i think you are being generous with the term blue chip as well here....

do not want RNH do not want to give youth for vets AND we can't afford Nuge anyway!

I don't see the Oilers moving RNH. With his contract, the team and player both want him to retire in Edmonton.

concur

The problem for many of your posts or counters is you love taking the bluechips and top prospects off the table for the NYR, but then ask for the equivalent from opposing team for lesser parts.

You can't pull Schneider/Robertson types from discussions and then say you want Holloway+ from the Oilers. Not that the Oilers would even necessarily be interested in either of those prospects at the price of Holloway, but for sake of parity and even rationale discussion, it just makes zero sense from an Oilers perspective

Unlike others who are hypocritical, I admit I am seeking to upgrade my team, and not usually go with coke for pepsi.
Rangers do not yet have surplus of bluest blue chips; the odd exception aside they need to add, not subtract.
They have several large salaries with nmc or similar. Young elc/rfas are only way team can manage a roster.

So I make no apologies for the terms I suggest. And I am offering fair value in the totality of the situation. Re: Oil, only thing on the table now is maybe a deal for Geo. Looking for best offer, which may be EDM but LV and maybe others also interested.
Have set the price at a 2nd but a la carte pricing as I indicate.
You don't want me to ask for something more for taking back Kosk, ditch him on your own.

I honestly don't think Geo is worth anything... like zero. He's batting 0.898 on one of the best teams in the league. The rangers are 3rd in the league in GAA, which obviously tells you that Shesterkin is legit and Geo is barely an NHL quality backup (if that).

Koskinen's 0.899 is coming behind a team with well known defensive deficiencies.

And @bernmeister... what on earth are you talking about with "Geo has a real ability to stonewall powerhouse teams",... the position is about consistency. I mean even Kosko has a 0.936@Calgary, 0.941@Pittsburgh, 0.947@Vegas, etc, etc... it means nothing if you can't do it consistently.

1. direct answer, eye test he has stonewalled impressive teams over past 2 yrs, teams that can score incl Leafs. Not every game. But when he is sharp from reg minutes, usually solid.

2. We can't offer him the opportunity to do it consistently here, b'c there is only one set of starter mins and they belong to Shesty. Howev, if he gets starter mins, he will play well. A suck ass team may go down on a regular basis, b'c even a great goalie can only steal so many games if the team truly sucks ass. But that notwithstanding is demonstrated to be NHL calibre G good as a starter and subpar otherwise, This is more than can be said for Kosk.

 

[OG Eberle]

Unlike others who are hypocritical, I admit I am seeking to upgrade my team, and not usually go with coke for pepsi.
Rangers do not yet have surplus of bluest blue chips; the odd exception aside they need to add, not subtract.
They have several large salaries with nmc or similar. Young elc/rfas are only way team can manage a roster.

So I make no apologies for the terms I suggest. And I am offering fair value in the totality of the situation. Re: Oil, only thing on the table now is maybe a deal for Geo. Looking for best offer, which may be EDM but LV and maybe others also interested.
Have set the price at a 2nd but a la carte pricing as I indicate.
You don't want me to ask for something more for taking back Kosk, ditch him on your own.

You're moving the goal posts here and making arguments no one did.

Oilers didn't ask for Geo here. OP had an awful proposal and seems to be a NYR fan even.

No one is trying to "ditch" Koskinen. He is only ever included in a deal as a cap casualty and as an expiring deal. He is routinely swapped in and out for Barrie/Turris/Smith as well as the Oilers have like $750k in cap space.

Everyone wants to upgrade their team. No one is going to go about offering B-level talent on their roster for A level talent on the other and expect that to work. Everyone wants to keep their bluechippers and add to them as well. Guess what? If you want a teams top prospect though, you damm well better not be pulling your top talent off the table in discussions otherwise no one will take you seriously.

The fact you think taking back 2months of Koskinen's expiring caphit for Geo (who hasn't been anything special or even worthy of being a starter this season) is worth a 2nd and Holloway or Holloway+ just to take reciprocal cap back is asinine, beyond a non-starter for the Oilers, and a pretty short sighted/nieve thing to think in a trade discussion where the person across the table doesn't have the IQ of a pineapple. It's borderline insulting to your trade partners intelligence that you somehow think that we should be taking this and we're the fools here.

Unless you can somehow do a 180 on your approach here and change your perspective, I highly doubt anything productive will come from discussing further trades between Oiler fans and yourself. And whether that is true or not, I wish you the best of luck going forward regardless.

 

[thadd]

So Edmonton gives up Yamamoto and they're still left looking for a goalie.

 

[Macheteops]

You aren't doing the Oilers any favours when you're giving them a goalie that's just as bad as Koskinen.

You didn’t hear? They broke the code though. They know why he sucks! He ll be great if he is your starter… Well maybe

 

[bernmeister]

You're moving the goal posts here and making arguments no one did.

Oilers didn't ask for Geo here. OP had an awful proposal and seems to be a NYR fan even.

No one is trying to "ditch" Koskinen. He is only ever included in a deal as a cap casualty and as an expiring deal. He is routinely swapped in and out for Barrie/Turris/Smith as well as the Oilers have like $750k in cap space.

Everyone wants to upgrade their team. No one is going to go about offering B-level talent on their roster for A level talent on the other and expect that to work. Everyone wants to keep their bluechippers and add to them as well. Guess what? If you want a teams top prospect though, you damm well better not be pulling your top talent off the table in discussions otherwise no one will take you seriously.

The fact you think taking back 2months of Koskinen's expiring caphit for Geo (who hasn't been anything special or even worthy of being a starter this season) is worth a 2nd and Holloway or Holloway+ just to take reciprocal cap back is asinine, beyond a non-starter for the Oilers, and a pretty short sighted/nieve thing to think in a trade discussion where the person across the table doesn't have the IQ of a pineapple. It's borderline insulting to your trade partners intelligence that you somehow think that we should be taking this and we're the fools here.

Unless you can somehow do a 180 on your approach here and change your perspective, I highly doubt anything productive will come from discussing further trades between Oiler fans and yourself. And whether that is true or not, I wish you the best of luck going forward regardless.

1. there have been posts/threads about Geo to EDM incl from Oil fans, some initiated [OP] by them. If I recall @TFHockey specifically was one asking me what was my current take on price of Geo (some interest in him by LV and others).

2. It is fair to ask 'something' a la carte pricing for us taking Kosk off your hands if you prefer/are unable to unload him yourself. You are not entitled to that for free. Cost? Reasonable going rate, in that ballpark. I never said Broberg or Holloway for Geo. I said yes to someone else bringing up something else I don't remember exactly about Holloway, but it was not Geo for Holloway.

3. My blessings to you as well.

 

[bucks_oil]

1. direct answer, eye test he has stonewalled impressive teams over past 2 yrs, teams that can score incl Leafs. Not every game. But when he is sharp from reg minutes, usually solid.

2. We can't offer him the opportunity to do it consistently here, b'c there is only one set of starter mins and they belong to Shesty. Howev, if he gets starter mins, he will play well. A suck ass team may go down on a regular basis, b'c even a great goalie can only steal so many games if the team truly sucks ass. But that notwithstanding is demonstrated to be NHL calibre G good as a starter and subpar otherwise, This is more than can be said for Kosk.

With respect... you are in LaLaLand. There isn't a single number anywhere that says Georgiev is better than an average (at best) NHL backup, let alone an NHL starter.
0.898 this year is well below NHL average, and even lower than Koskinen on a superior team
0.905 last year is slightly better than Koskinen, but still below NHL average
0.910 the year before is just reaching NHL average, but Koskinen put up 0.917 that year

... and we can all agree that Koskinen sucks, so this isn't about who's better, it's about the fact that they both suck.

You can keep saying "he's better as a starter" but it doesn't make it true. Back it up with some numbers or continue with your delusions of grandeur.

 

[TFHockey]

I *did* ask about Georgiev in a previous thread. @bernmeister is 100% correct about that.

I remain unconvinced the Georgiev is a better goalie than what the Oilers have now, but I am perhaps willing to take a chance on him.

 

[Just a Fan]

1. there have been posts/threads about Geo to EDM incl from Oil fans, some initiated [OP] by them. If I recall @TFHockey specifically was one asking me what was my current take on price of Geo (some interest in him by LV and others).

2. It is fair to ask 'something' a la carte pricing for us taking Kosk off your hands if you prefer/are unable to unload him yourself. You are not entitled to that for free. Cost? Reasonable going rate, in that ballpark. I never said Broberg or Holloway for Geo. I said yes to someone else bringing up something else I don't remember exactly about Holloway, but it was not Geo for Holloway.

3. My blessings to you as well.

A fair trade would be Koskinen+2nd+3rd for Geo. 2nd for Geo, 3rd for taking 4 months of Koskinen.

 

[TFHockey]

A fair trade would be Koskinen+2nd+3rd for Geo. 2nd for Geo, 3rd for taking 4 months of Koskinen.

I don't know if Holland does even that. Is taking Koskinen for 30 games really a 3rd? Look at the numbers between Kosk and Geo, it is almost a wash.

 

[Just a Fan]

I don't know if Holland does even that. Is taking Koskinen for 30 games really a 3rd? Look at the numbers between Kosk and Geo, it is almost a wash.

Holland is a bit handcuffed by his cap situation....so i think it's fair value IF he thinks Geo is the guy he wants....that's another question all together...

 

[bernmeister]

I *did* ask about Georgiev in a previous thread. @bernmeister is 100% correct about that.

I remain unconvinced the Georgiev is a better goalie than what the Oilers have now, but I am perhaps willing to take a chance on him.

thanks for speaking to the truth

 

[bernmeister]

A fair trade would be Koskinen+2nd+3rd for Geo. 2nd for Geo, 3rd for taking 4 months of Koskinen.

Yes, but let's remember Oil do not have a 3rd this yr, and their 2nd has conditions per CF.
So NY is already taking discounted return b'c EDM actual available assets this yr are limited.

 

[bernmeister]

With respect... you are in LaLaLand. There isn't a single number anywhere that says Georgiev is better than an average (at best) NHL backup, let alone an NHL starter.
0.898 this year is well below NHL average, and even lower than Koskinen on a superior team
0.905 last year is slightly better than Koskinen, but still below NHL average
0.910 the year before is just reaching NHL average, but Koskinen put up 0.917 that year

... and we can all agree that Koskinen sucks, so this isn't about who's better, it's about the fact that they both suck.

You can keep saying "he's better as a starter" but it doesn't make it true. Back it up with some numbers or continue with your delusions of grandeur.

Other NYR fans are confirming this as well. Happy to rely on someone else already having identified/crunched those #s

 

[McSuper]

Why are we gifting them a 6’4 D with potential that can move and shoot the puck?
Plus Geo helping them in the net???
Holland would run away laughing if this was offered...
If NYR deals Robertson, Holloway better be coming back....

You can have Holland instead and Oilers fans can shout Holland o way if that helps

 

[bernmeister]

If ya want him, step up. edm.

LV's G [Lehner] has a torn labrum. They will now have to be serious about a replacement from somewhere. One would think.

 

[ManofSteel55]

I don't know if Holland does even that. Is taking Koskinen for 30 games really a 3rd? Look at the numbers between Kosk and Geo, it is almost a wash.

It's maybe worth a 7th. At this time of year teams aren't holding up deals for things like that. They won't ask for a huge add on just to take a guy. It's the cost of doing business in a situation where cap space is minimal.

 

[OG Eberle]

If ya want him, step up. edm.

LV's G [Lehner] has a torn labrum. They will now have to be serious about a replacement from somewhere. One would think.

A live look at bern pushing Geo on Oilers fans

 

[bernmeister]

A live look at bern pushing Geo on Oilers fans

funny, and I can take a joke.
But he who laughs last laughs best, and if Oil do not upgrade on Kosk, they will not laugh, but cry.