Proposal: NYR - EDM

TFHockey

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some NYR fans wanted to move him for a 7th THEN
that was before we figured out that
yes, like Hank 3 or so seasons ago had a wk with the yips
he'll have the off nite
but
if he is given regular starter work, his track record is good


you can't say ok it's a 2nd but then let us dump Kosk the other way for nothing, not even a favor. At that point it is not a 2nd, it is a 2nd -.

You're thin on picks this yr
let's try this:
both NYR 2022 4ths for EDM 2023 and 2024 3rds + Kosk
that covers that
then we also send you Geo for your choice, Lavoie or McLeod elcs w/recent 2nd round value

deal?

Nope.

Please note: McLeod is playing regular NHL shifts and because Ryan has been so bad we can't move him. Just FYI.
 

TFHockey

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your no vote is acknowledged
I saw McLeod, looked good vs Rangers the other nite
congrats

anyone else?

A realistic trade could be Koskinen + Lavoie for Georgeiv. That is about all I can think of.

In a very real world kind of way to look at things Koskinen's contract is over a the end of the season. If the Rangers like him as a back up they can resign him for cheap. You can't play him like a starter which is what Edmonton has been forced to do.

Rangers get a good prospect in return.

Edmonton gets a.. well we don't know what the heck we are getting quite honestly.
 

Chayos

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Nope.

Please note: McLeod is playing regular NHL shifts and because Ryan has been so bad we can't move him. Just FYI.
Bern's deals never work out good for us regardless of how you work it. The issue I have is he just won't back off on players or concepts. His Broberg obsession has been going on for months.

I still cant figure out how we give a mid-1st for $5.125m of cap relief from MTL on Price, but somehow another 1.5 million is going to cost us Broberg+?. The logic is baffling to me. The 3rd covers taking Koskinen.
 

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A realistic trade could be Koskinen + Lavoie for Georgeiv. That is about all I can think of.

In a very real world kind of way to look at things Koskinen's contract is over a the end of the season. If the Rangers like him as a back up they can resign him for cheap. You can't play him like a starter which is what Edmonton has been forced to do.

Rangers get a good prospect in return.

Edmonton gets a.. well we don't know what the heck we are getting quite honestly.

I like Georgeiv and his money is right, but he is not proven as you allude too. I am not sure the rangers will take extra cap in a deal like that without a better sweetener.
 

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A realistic trade could be Koskinen + Lavoie for Georgeiv. That is about all I can think of.

In a very real world kind of way to look at things Koskinen's contract is over a the end of the season. If the Rangers like him as a back up they can resign him for cheap. You can't play him like a starter which is what Edmonton has been forced to do.

Rangers get a good prospect in return.

Edmonton gets a.. well we don't know what the heck we are getting quite honestly.

It's a little light, but I can work with that
Gave you the option as to McL or Lavoie so no prob there either is current 2nd value imo

counter:
Geo + Hajek + NYR 2022 4th [you have no 4th atm]
for
Lavoie + Kosk + EDM 2023 3rd

all salaries full pop which gives you a bit of instant cap relief

deal?
 

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Rangers apparently want to trade him if you listen to their fans, Oilers want a solid young goalie if you listen to their fans, it’s a trade made in heaven
But where in the offer are the Oilers getting a solid young goalie ?
 

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It's a little light, but I can work with that
Gave you the option as to McL or Lavoie so no prob there either is current 2nd value imo

counter:
Geo + Hajek + NYR 2022 4th [you have no 4th atm]
for
Lavoie + Kosk + EDM 2023 3rd

all salaries full pop which gives you a bit of instant cap relief

deal?
Holy cow Bern. Well done, this is a deal that works for us. We get a lottery ticket in net at a manageable cost and the rangers get long term salary cap space and a good young player. WIN/WIN.
 
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It's being rumored that we were close to trading him before Igor got hurt. His play picked up since then so I don't know if they still consider trading him unless it's a good offer for them. I think a 7th was overreacting from our fanbase.
 

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It's a little light, but I can work with that
Gave you the option as to McL or Lavoie so no prob there either is current 2nd value imo

counter:
Geo + Hajek + NYR 2022 4th [you have no 4th atm]
for
Lavoie + Kosk + EDM 2023 3rd

all salaries full pop which gives you a bit of instant cap relief

deal?

That is a pretty reasonable take, Bern. I can live with this.
 
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The fact that he has underestimated the hole that Larsson left in our defense and tried to fill it with Keith and Barrie. His adding veterans to the roster went south as did hoping to fix net issues with 39 year old Smith on a 2 year deal. Turris, Ryan, Shore and Russell should have not been signed. Letting Tippet tank one of only 4 more years where we have Mcdrai signed is the biggest issue. It was obvious when he missed 2 games and the team was revitalized then right back in the tank as soon as he was back. Holland has to see this and he is still not doing anything. He could easily give Gulutzan the reins as interim and decide in the summer, or just give the job to Woodcroft.
Ceci was to replace larsson. and hes done that at a cheaper cost.

Keith trade was brutal asset management, Barrie was last years top scoring defensman and we didn't know how bouchard would develop, the road for a young defensman is usually rocky. Barries deal also isn't overly expensive it can be moved if needed.

Nurse contract was way too big and didn't need to be signed last year.
 
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The fact that he has underestimated the hole that Larsson left in our defense and tried to fill it with Keith and Barrie. His adding veterans to the roster went south as did hoping to fix net issues with 39 year old Smith on a 2 year deal. Turris, Ryan, Shore and Russell should have not been signed. Letting Tippet tank one of only 4 more years where we have Mcdrai signed is the biggest issue. It was obvious when he missed 2 games and the team was revitalized then right back in the tank as soon as he was back. Holland has to see this and he is still not doing anything. He could easily give Gulutzan the reins as interim and decide in the summer, or just give the job to Woodcroft.
who should they have signed other than these 3. their cap hits are so low and wont add more than 100k to the cap hit if they are playing in the minors. We were missing 4 defensemen at the same time from Covid so having a guy like russell fill in for a few games is hardly the issue.

The big contract issues are Kassian, Koskinen (not his signing but still his problem until end of this year), signing smith for an extra year, Keith at 5.5 (while giving up prospect and picks with no cap retention). and Giving Turris 1.65M and multiple years
 

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who should they have signed other than these 3. their cap hits are so low and wont add more than 100k to the cap hit if they are playing in the minors. We were missing 4 defensemen at the same time from Covid so having a guy like russell fill in for a few games is hardly the issue.

The big contract issues are Kassian, Koskinen (not his signing but still his problem until end of this year), signing smith for an extra year, Keith at 5.5 (while giving up prospect and picks with no cap retention). and Giving Turris 1.65M and multiple years
I would have given the spots to Mcleod, Benson, Marody and Holloway. I know we have seen some of them this year, but these young players have earned a real look. Shore is one of those coaches pet players that we all hate, as he doesn't tick one box of our needs other than a pulse. Ryan is another smaller player that doesn't get much done and signing him for 2 years was not a good deal. Russell was signed to give us someone to leave for Seattle in the ED and in the end we had a few option out there for them to chose. We carried a bad contract for a maybe that wasn't necessary because we could be playing Broberg in those times. These would not have been a huge savings as you were mentioning, but it is north of 2m if you factor in not needing Russell which is huge.
 
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I would have given the spots to Mcleod, Benson, Marody and Holloway. I know we have seen some of them this year, but these young players have earned a real look. Shore is one of those coaches pet players that we all hate, as he doesn't tick one box of our needs other than a pulse. Ryan is another smaller player that doesn't get much done and signing him for 2 years was not a good deal. Russell was signed to give us someone to leave for Seattle in the ED and in the end we had a few option out there for them to chose. We carried a bad contract for a maybe that wasn't necessary because we could be playing Broberg in those times. These would not have been a huge savings as you were mentioning, but it is north of 2m if you factor in not needing Russell which is huge.
I dont mind russell since it was a one year deal and for the purpose of exposing a D to expansion. You're right there was no need for the extra year on the Ryan deal.

McLeod is looking good at the moment, hes young so I worry about consistency but he has the speed and size to fill in the 3C role if he maintains his current level of play. Benson wasnt impressing me much early in the year and basically lost a roster spot, but over this slump hes out played our other 4th line options and should be getting more ice time so I agree on that. Holloway was injured and just got back on the ice with the team, will be interesting to see how he looks, maybe he can steal a top 6 spot but I'd be worried about him in a 3rd line role with McLeod if we make the playoffs, rookies get the short end of the stick with officiating and they will have some tough matchups to deal with. Marody has done everything he needs to to get called up, no idea why he hasnt. Overall we can agree this team is poorly constructed from the goaltending outward. The cap space has been spent too freely as well so now were probably screwed.
 

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It's a little light, but I can work with that
Gave you the option as to McL or Lavoie so no prob there either is current 2nd value imo

counter:
Geo + Hajek + NYR 2022 4th [you have no 4th atm]
for
Lavoie + Kosk + EDM 2023 3rd

all salaries full pop which gives you a bit of instant cap relief

deal?
Fair enough. It's not bad at all.

See what happens when you don't throw beoberg in as an add on to every proposal?

But yeah I actually think edmonton does this one!
 

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