Proposal: NYR - EDM

[Filthy Dangles]

Georgiev has actually been solid to good as of late, no thanks on the nothingburger 3rd round pick

 

[AIexisLafreniereNYR]

I’d bet Georgiev is an Oiler by the TDL. Won’t cost much, and if he doesn’t pan out it won’t be a risk. Edmonton needs goaltending and he’d be a good get for them.

 

[Tob]

There's no chance the Rangers trade away their insurance policy in net mid-season. Does any good team trade away a decent back up mid season? Shesterkin had a groin issue and was out and Georgiev played at a starter's level. If anything happens in the playoffs, Georgiev gives them a chance. He's capable on being a great goalie for stretches at a time when he's not cold from not playing for weeks.

 

[Prairie Habs]

what they need is decent bottom 6 players, then a Dman or 2, THEN worry about a goalie

he doesn't solve their problems. he's more of the same. why make a lateral move? and what is EDM trading that motivates MTL to take Kosk and free up cap space? anything more than a 3rd ain't worth it
like someone else mentioned, Halak or even MAF would be better for EDM (depending again, on what EDM is having to spend for them)

then they can address in the offseason where they can make a thought out decision, not a kneejerk one

Canucks are 3 points out of the playoffs so they probably won't trade halak and MAF is 7M and had Chicago agree not to trade him without his say so after how it went down in Vegas. It also makes no sense that you wouldn't be willing to pay to dump koskinen in a goalie trade when you acknowledge the oilers still have other holes to fill as well. So what's the solution if you don't want to create cap? Write off the year?

 

[jay from jersey]

Geo has definitely shown over his career so far that he does better with a constant dose of playing time.
For whatever reason, whether it be mentally, or if physically he can’t stay as sharp with just practice and playing every 4th/5th game.
If anyone is thinking of trading for Geo, they should be prepared to have a more 1A,1B situation with playing time.
He’s proven he can make high end saves and 35+ save performances in big games as well.
In a true back up role, he’s been a disappointment imo.

 

[bernmeister]

To Edmonton: G Alexander Georgiev

To NYR: 3rd round pick

Oilers get a young goalie they need, Rangers get a pick and play Huska.

geo is available but costs more than a 3rd.
He is a 2nd or equiv [McLeod, Lavoie] in a vacuum
more if we retain
more if we take Kosk back

but there IS a deal here and it should be done
NY has other options for backup and we can't afford him next yr due to Zib + Fox $$$ extensions
stockpile, do not waste, assets

Rangers won't trade Georgiev until COVID protocols relax or unless they acquire a capable backup (Halak, perhaps). They won't go Huska-Kinkaid as the 2-3 options in a season they think they're competitive.

1. If they are smart and play either H-K vs lesser competition, they can cut it.
2. Unless they wanna go super insured in case something happens to Shesty where they ride Geo as a starter, which is where he shines, they should stockpile picks.

Let's be real here... is a 3rd round enough to pry Gorgiev away?
And is Gorgiev going to thrive on the Oilers?
Very doubtful this is the right move or either team.

What we learned from month + ago.
geo will always be inconsistent; he's not the first or last G to go there.

But with regular work as a starter, he fully handles it.
Should NY play Shesty less to keep Geo sharp?
No.
Kinkaid is ok emergency, Wall + others are future and
Huska looked good before popping his cherry a few wks ago.
Now, if that was all on him, then yeah, he's got no biz here at NHL.
But I saw that game.
Other than the first goal, which he misplayed, plenty of blame to go around.

Oilers need a good goalie.

There wasn't one offered in this deal.

rip

conditionally wrong.
If you let him win and keep starter on day 1, then likely to save the day for Oil, though I'd see about getting this Broberg kid into the actual lineup now.
If you don't do that = head games = then he can be subpar.

Uh, go watch the game against Colorado from 12/8 and tell me a team looking to make a playoff run wants Adam Huska as the 2nd goalie on their depth chart....

Let's be fair:
1. Colorado is a kick ass offensive powerhouse. They also beat Shesty. There is room for improvement, but Huska's first game was throw in from the deep end wo a net, not a let's wade in...
2. Other than basically first goal, Ranger team did not play well in front of him. Reverse that makes a dif
and
3 Play vs weaker teams to start will still achieve objective of keeping Shesty fresh while giving Huska something he can handle.

 

[Whoot Whoot]

No chance
Igor is injury prone and Covid is unpredictable

G is getting it done
Maybe a first gets him

 

[Kshahdoo]

Watched the game tonight. Why the Oilers would never get a goalie all these years one of crazy things I have seen in hockey. Pissing away all these prime years of McDavid.

Go and get a goalie! Should of did it 5 years ago. Try and patch it up with tier 2 netminding. It's killing them

Didn't "prime McDavid" score zero points in the game?

 

[Saitama]

Didn't "prime McDavid" score zero points in the game?

Are you trying to say that because Mcdavid got 0 points in a game, he's suddenly not in his prime? That's an interesting conclusion...

 

[Danrs112]

There's probably quite a few teams that would offer more than a 3rd.

Plus you know Tampa gets first dibs on Rangers anyways

 

[egelband]

There's no chance the Rangers trade away their insurance policy in net mid-season. Does any good team trade away a decent back up mid season? Shesterkin had a groin issue and was out and Georgiev played at a starter's level. If anything happens in the playoffs, Georgiev gives them a chance. He's capable on being a great goalie for stretches at a time when he's not cold from not playing for weeks.

Probably right. I want the Rangers to move on and let Georgiev get a shot to start somewhere. But you’re probably right. He’s a good insurance policy and there’s no cap crunch yet.

 

[Kshahdoo]

Are you trying to say that because Mcdavid got 0 points in a game, he's suddenly not in his prime? That's an interesting conclusion...

Nah, I'm trying to say that Edmonton's problems aren't just goalies.

 

[McJedi]

Geo is decent, Huska sucks badly. Rangers would be morons to trade Geo for a measly 3rd rounder as the top seed in the east. If their starter then got hurt, they are an easy out with Huska hemorrhaging goals.

 

[bernmeister]

Probably right. I want the Rangers to move on and let Georgiev get a shot to start somewhere. But you’re probably right. He’s a good insurance policy and there’s no cap crunch yet.

1. like I said, do we play Shesty less to keep Geo sharp?
We basically have 2 starters!

2. imo, avoid stupid precedent of holding on to guys for too long.
Dealing earlier when there is more term = more value coming back.
I like Blais but had we dealt Buch when there was term, we would have gotten top 10 or Broberg

3. crunch is real and unavoidable. Move now for best return

 

[McRanger92]

No reason for the Rangers to trade Georgie until the offseason

 

[GAGLine]

Watched the game tonight. Why the Oilers would never get a goalie all these years one of crazy things I have seen in hockey. Pissing away all these prime years of McDavid.

Go and get a goalie! Should of did it 5 years ago. Try and patch it up with tier 2 netminding. It's killing them

They did. They traded for Talbot 6 years ago. He had 2 good years for them, then a so-so year, then started off the 4th year poorly. Rather than trying to get him back on track, they traded him for Stolarz. Koskinen was playing better that year, but his numbers were still pretty mediocre. It was a short-sighted decision to trade Talbot, who has been pretty good in the years since.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Nah, I'm trying to say that Edmonton's problems aren't just goalies.

While true, it's still an odd conclusion based on one game of McDavid getting zero points.

 

[Vitto79]

Koskinen at 50 and a 3rd for Georgiev sure

rangers need the cap space next year

let Koskinen fight Kinkaid fir the backup games

Huska won’t play another NYR game

 

[bernmeister]

Koskinen at 50 and a 3rd for Georgiev sure

rangers need the cap space next year

let Koskinen fight Kinkaid fir the backup games

Huska won’t play another NYR game

no on 3 out of 4
Geo a 2nd min
allow Huska, who had zero help in his one game, another shot w/better support
Kosk has to earn shot vs Kinky

will take cap space now if better return now

 

[ManofSteel55]

Koskinen at 50 and a 3rd for Georgiev sure

rangers need the cap space next year

let Koskinen fight Kinkaid fir the backup games

Huska won’t play another NYR game

I'd do Lavoie and a 2nd or 3rd for Georgiev right now. I have had enough of Koskinen, although I worry about Georgiev in Edmonton right now as well until our coach is fired. They don't play a system. That's the biggest issue. They try to run and gun it but don't have the parts to do that after McDavid and Draisaitl.

 

[Kshahdoo]

While true, it's still an odd conclusion based on one game of McDavid getting zero points.

Well, he's slightly above 100 point pace in the last dozen or so games. Would be great for someone else, but for McDavid and Edmonton it's not very good at the very least.

 

[bernmeister]

I'd do Lavoie and a 2nd or 3rd for Georgiev right now. I have had enough of Koskinen, although I worry about Georgiev in Edmonton right now as well until our coach is fired. They don't play a system. That's the biggest issue. They try to run and gun it but don't have the parts to do that after McDavid and Draisaitl.

something along those lines is fine.

just outta curiosity
would you do
Geo + Rangers 2022 2nd + 2022 4th
for
Oil 2023 1st + 2023 3rd ????????????

 

[Crabapple]

Georgiev îs more of the same. We need a #1 not another backup. If Holland can't find literally anything else I'd do the trade just to shake things up but would continue to look for a real starter.

 

[bernmeister]

Georgiev îs more of the same. We need a #1 not another backup. If Holland can't find literally anything else I'd do the trade just to shake things up but would continue to look for a real starter.

recent track record says otherwise
but must have sufficient regular work as the established starter

 

[ManofSteel55]

something along those lines is fine.

just outta curiosity
would you do
Geo + Rangers 2022 2nd + 2022 4th
for
Oil 2023 1st + 2023 3rd ????????????

No. If our 1st is involved it has to be for an upgrade with fewer question marks than Georgiev. That's the price for a proven starter not a slight upgrade who has played poorly at times this season. Good backup cost is usually a 3rd at most. Geo might ha e starter upside so I would give a bit more but overall paying starter rates for a backup isn't smart. If that isn't enough to get him, we move on to the next one and maybe circle back later.