Confirmed with Link: [NYR/CAR] Joey Keane for Julien Gauthier

[Leetch3]

I was a big fan of Keane and he was having a great rookie year...but with the right side of our blueline, he was unlikely to get a shot here. and we might be selling high on him too.

we badly need forward depth...this is a perfect example of why you accumulate TALENT and worry about position later...before the stepan trade our RHD hopes was tied to Zborovsky, fast forward a few years and Keane who would have been our top prospect a few years ago is the 5th best RHD that can be used in a trade to fill another need without hurting.

obviously we need gauthier to work out but this is great asset management

 

[GAGLine]

Did you read my OP about his age? I guess not? I was responding to a poster saying he should spend the rest of the season in the Hartford and it would be exciting if he came into next year with a 40 goal season in the AHL, to which I said he would be 23 with 5 NHL games to his name and that would temper my excitement a bit. Thats all. I thought that was a fair point, and everyone else went nuts with my 23 year old comment.

I didnt think I had to explain the peak of most NHL players these days is getting younger and younger and if at age 23 you have nothing to show for yourself when averages say you should be entering your prime... that might be a serious problem.

Regardless, you still wrote: 23 is old in terms of NHL prospects. By that time top players are 2 years into their $10 million per year deals

That is a ridiculous statement to make as neither Gauthier nor Keane should ever be expected to be at that level. If you are going to hold every prospect to the McDavid/Eichel/Matthews standard, you are going to be very disappointed.

I could list you literally hundreds of players whose careers didn't take off until age 22/23, and many of them are very recent. Victor Olofsson is a 24 year old rookie with 18 goals and 38 points in 44 games on a bad team. Prior to this year, he had played all of 6 NHL games. Or how about Dominik Kubalik? Age 24, 23 goals and 36 points in 57 games. No prior NHL experience.

You are so far off base on your assessment I don't know what else to tell you. Joey Keane is the not the next Cale Makar and Julien Gauthier is not the next Hugh Jessiman.

 

[aufheben]

Julien Gauthier: 6' 4" 227 lbs

SCOUTING REPORT

Has tremendous size and strength, plus excellent skating speed, which enables him to score plenty of goals. Is able to utilize his size effectively in the offensive zone. Has good instincts. Needs to become a better player in the defensive zone in order to maximize output at the highest level. Also, he is somewhat inconsistent in terms of using his big body effectively.

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

 

[Leetch3]

@Amazing Kreiderman

RIP your favorite hashtag

#PlayLikeAGauthier

 

[ElLeetch]

Traded a 3rd for a 1st, essentially.

 

[JimmyG89]

@Amazing Kreiderman

RIP your favorite hashtag

#PlayLikeAGauthier

#PlayLikeAGOAT

 

[JT Kreider]

Regardless, you still wrote: 23 is old in terms of NHL prospects. By that time top players are 2 years into their $10 million per year deals

That is a ridiculous statement to make as neither Gauthier nor Keane should ever be expected to be at that level. If you are going to hold every prospect to the McDavid/Eichel/Matthews standard, you are going to be very disappointed.

I could list you literally hundreds of players whose careers didn't take off until age 22/23, and many of them are very recent. Victor Olofsson is a 24 year old rookie with 18 goals and 38 points in 44 games on a bad team. Prior to this year, he had played all of 6 NHL games. Or how about Dominik Kubalik? Age 24, 23 goals and 36 points in 57 games. No prior NHL experience.

You are so far off base on your assessment I don't know what else to tell you. Joey Keane is the not the next Cale Makar and Julien Gauthier is not the next Hugh Jessiman.

Yes, European players who played against men for a number of years do obviously make easier transitions to the NHL right out of the gate.

Using two of those examples is such a cheap cop out. I'm amazed by that.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

@Amazing Kreiderman

RIP your favorite hashtag

#PlayLikeAGauthier

Reached out to the Hurricanes to suggest #TakeANextStep or as I like to spell it #taKEANExtstep

 

[FireGerardGallant]

Regardless, you still wrote: 23 is old in terms of NHL prospects. By that time top players are 2 years into their $10 million per year deals

That is a ridiculous statement to make as neither Gauthier nor Keane should ever be expected to be at that level. If you are going to hold every prospect to the McDavid/Eichel/Matthews standard, you are going to be very disappointed.

I could list you literally hundreds of players whose careers didn't take off until age 22/23, and many of them are very recent. Victor Olofsson is a 24 year old rookie with 18 goals and 38 points in 44 games on a bad team. Prior to this year, he had played all of 6 NHL games. Or how about Dominik Kubalik? Age 24, 23 goals and 36 points in 57 games. No prior NHL experience.

You are so far off base on your assessment I don't know what else to tell you. Joey Keane is the not the next Cale Makar and Julien Gauthier is not the next Hugh Jessiman.

The star we signed to that 10 million dollar contract didn't make his NHL debut until age 24

 

[JT Kreider]

The star we signed to that 10 million dollar contract didn't make his NHL debut until age 24

Wtf. Horrible example. He played in the KHL against men for 6 years. Of course older Europeans have an easier transition to the NHL. C'mon guy.

 

[GAGLine]

Yes, European players who played against men for a number of years do obviously make easier transitions to the NHL right out of the gate.

Using two of those examples is such a cheap cop out. I'm amazed by that.

Lol, okay.

You: 23 is old in terms of NHL prospects
Me: Here are 2 guys who are 24 year old rookies and doing really well
You: They don't count because reasons

I could list you plenty of players who started their pro careers in the AHL and then became full time NHL players at 23 or older. I already mentioned one in DeAngelo, which you ignored.

Whatever. I'm done with this. You can keep being miserable if it makes you happy. I'll enjoy reading this thread a couple years from now.

 

[bbny]

Reached out to the Hurricanes to suggest #TakeANextStep or as I like to spell it #taKEANExtstep

 

[Kords]

Don't know much about this kid yet, but he is built like Tom Wilson so me likey. If he can finish his checks without trying to brain people we me have something here.

Side note, i'm ignoring the fact that Wilson is listed as 194 lbs. No way is that accurate, right? Gauthier is listed as 225 lbs of pure muscle. Both 6'4!

 

[will1066]

This is what happens when Marty Straka finds out someone's gonna wear his number. Calls get made. Actions get actioned.

 

[Machinehead]

Haha you are never in love with any of our trades.

That's not true.

 

[JT Kreider]

Lol, okay.

You: 23 is old in terms of NHL prospects
Me: Here are 2 guys who are 24 year old rookies and doing really well
You: They don't count because reasons

I could list you plenty of players who started their pro careers in the AHL and then became full time NHL players at 23 or older. I already mentioned one in DeAngelo, which you ignored.

Whatever. I'm done with this. You can keep being miserable if it makes you happy. I'll enjoy reading this thread a couple years from now.

Tony D played 39 games as 21 year old in Arizona. Wrong again.

And they don't count because everyone knows Europeans are a different breed with a much different development arc since they have the added benefit of playing against men in a better league for years.

 

[FireGerardGallant]

Wtf. Horrible example. He played in the KHL against men for 6 years. Of course older Europeans have an easier transition to the NHL. C'mon guy.

1. Panarian was only a KHL regular for 4 years and only started putting up good numbers there when he was 21. You're gonna tell me that if he was in the NHL at 20-21 he'd be producing like a star? Which is similar to Gauthier playing against men the last few years in the A.
2. Europeans have to adapt to things like smaller ice surfaces, so no its not as easy of a transition as you're saying here. For example a guy like Olofsson who was mentioned before needed a full year in the AHL before he was ready
3. You keep expanding the goalposts.

 

[ETTER DE]

Have never seen any of them. But by reading here and on the Canes board, you get the impression that Rangers have traded an up and coming defense man for a guy who is nearer to be a bust. Should Gorton have waited with trading Keane? Maybe used him later in larger package?

 

[JT Kreider]

1. Panarian was only a KHL regular for 4 years and only started putting up good numbers there when he was 21. You're gonna tell me that if he was in the NHL at 20-21 he'd be producing like a star? Which is similar to Gauthier playing against men the last few years in the A.
2. Europeans have to adapt to things like smaller ice surfaces, so no its not as easy of a transition as you're saying here. For example a guy like Olofsson who was mentioned before needed a full year in the AHL before he was ready
3. You keep expanding the goalposts.

I'm not expanding the goal posts, everyone knows Europeans are a different breed and have a different development path. Two totally different situations here. It's why guys like Olofsson, Panarin, Gusev, Kubalik are able to come over and have this type of success and there is seemingly a new one coming out of nowhere every year.

And I'm also the one moving the goalposts but another poster said Tony D didnt start his full time career until 23 or older when he had a fantastic showing for himself as a 21 year old on one of the worst teams in the league? That's the definition of moving the goal posts.

Its pathetic to say "I'm done with this" as if he just had a mic drop walk off grand slam in the bottom of the 9th inning Game 7 of the World Series with a post littered with incorrect information

 

[offdacrossbar]

GAUTHIER comp:

ALEX TUCH but julien has better wheels. not quite the pure offensive ability that alex has but a close comparison.

we all were talking about tuch few weeks back.

makes sense, need a forward to replace CK and this kid has the goods to perhaps be that guy.

size, speed and a heavy shot.

for joey keene ? sign me up

 

[Thirty One]

Have never seen any of them. But by reading here and on the Canes board, you get the impression that Rangers have traded an up and coming defense man for a guy who is nearer to be a bust. Should Gorton have waited with trading Keane? Maybe used him later in larger package?

Sounds like you've been very selective about whose posts you're reading.

 

[Athor]

Keane never would have been more than an emergency call-up for this team. That's the bottom line. They're getting an NHL ready winger, a huge organizational need, for that guy. A lot of Keane's production has come on the PP, something he will never be doing here, an he still has work to do in his own end. I really don't see what there is to be upset about.

 

[cwede]

i get that folks like what Keane could become,
but i like NYR adding this package of size and skill

 

[duhmetreE]

He would have been exposed in the draft?

So, as of now. We have
1. Panarin
2. Zibs
3. Chytil
4. Kreider/Buch
5. Lemieux
6. Howden
7. Gauthier

assuming Gauthier takes off. Strome will likely be here for 1 more year and more than likely traded. Assuming one/if not both of Kreider/Buch are moved.

 

[NYRangers0723]

Keane never would have been more than an emergency call-up for this team. That's the bottom line. They're getting an NHL ready winger, a huge organizational need, for that guy. A lot of Keane's production has come on the PP, something he will never be doing here, an he still has work to do in his own end. I really don't see what there is to be upset about.

nothing wrong with being sad to see Keane go. The kid was a legit prospect. I’m fine with the trade but let’s see if he can adapt to the NHL level first before calling is a slam dunk trade. We have seen many tear up the AHL but not the NHL. Emerson Etem is a good example