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Confirmed with Link: [NYR/CAR] Joey Keane for Julien Gauthier

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This is exciting.

A good hockey trade for a young NHL ready now forward with size and speed. This is the evolution of the rebuild - had to start infusing the roster with NHL ready players as opposed to just picks and prospects who were years away.

Best part is they didn't lose a roster player and this allows them to look at all types of returns for Kreider.

Why not show him you believe in him right off the bat? He had a very good camp for the Canes and many of their fans wanted to give him a longer look.

Put him on the opposite side of Lemieux and GO TO WORK
 
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Pronman on the deal:

Julien Gauthier, RW, N.Y. Rangers (traded from Carolina on Feb. 18)
Gauthier was the No. 56 prospect on my midseason ranking so he becomes the Rangers’ No. 3 ranked prospect. He’s a bit of a divisive prospect when you talk to scouts because he has a tremendous toolkit but also is an inconsistent player. I highlighted him as a player who may be moved because of Carolina’s roster crunch and his impending waiver status. I like the player because I think a player with his size, great skating and skill who can score will find a way to become an NHL player. I know some scouts who question his hockey sense, but I think it will be good enough. I think he could be a middle-six NHL winger with the upside to be a second-line winger.

Commentary on CAR-NYR trading Gauthier for Keane: Based on my evaluations of the players exchanged, I like Gauthier a little more as a player. Carolina was going to have to make a decision on him soon, though, because if he hit waivers next fall, my understanding from discussions with NHL scouts is that he was the type of player who would have been claimed. Based on those circumstances, getting a defenseman like Keane, who is on the first year of an entry-level deal, preserves some value in the system for Carolina; while the Rangers, who don’t have as deep an NHL roster, take a big swing on a highly talented player.

Pronman's trade deadline prospect watch: What to expect from...
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Won't post entire article, but he sees Keane as a third pair d-man with some upside to be more than that.
 
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HockeyBasedNYC said:
This is exciting.

A good hockey trade for a young NHL ready now forward with size and speed. This is the evolution of the rebuild - had to start infusing the roster with NHL ready players as opposed to just picks and prospects who were years away.

Why not show him you believe in him right off the bat? He had a very good camp for the Canes and many of their fans wanted to give him a longer look.

Put him on the opposite side of Lemieux and GO TO WORK
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I'd be really intrigued by how he would look playing on the opposite side from Panarin
 
ThirdEye said:
Just 34 assists in 184 AHL games. If he can't score at the NHL level he probably isn't going to be producing in other ways.

While Keane has had a great season by all accounts I think this is about the max return we were going to get for him since he's not really a household name.
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I wouldn't worry too much about the lack of apples in his career. He's not a bad passer or a guy who completely lacks on-ice vision. However, he does suffer quite a bit from tunnel vision on occasion. He is a shoot-first, then shoot again kind of player.

I'm not going to call him a young Chris Kreider, but there are certainly similarities in their game when it comes to strengths and weaknesses.
 
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Fireonk said:
But that just isn't true in all cases. Looking at the 2014 draft here are some players that took a few years before proving anything until 3+ years after their draft:
Kevin Fiala
Jake Virtanen
Sonny Milano
Alex Tuch
Kaspari Kapanen
Brendan Lemieux

I left off defensemen to keep things simple.
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Kevin Fiala scored 23 goals as a 21 year old before he was set back by that leg injury, Milano sucks and isn't even worth talking about, Kapanen was with the Leafs towards the end of the season and the playoffs when they nearly beat the Caps as a 21 year old, Tuch was in the midst of a breakout season with another fairly productive year under his belt by his 23rd birthday, Lemieux is a totally different breed and players of his skillset do take a bit longer to develop but also have shorter shelf lives

Fair enough on Virtanen though but he is looking more and more like a rare exception
 
Also, for those of you who have been lamenting Fast's lack of finishing ability with Strome and Panarin, this should be an intriguing move for you. Gauthier needs some time and a decent leash to grow as a NHLer, but he can certainly be that role player like Fast but with considerably better finishing ability and the size to bully his way to the net.

I could see this being more of a Fast replacement in the short term than a Kreider one.
 
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Trxjw said:
Also, for those of you who have been lamenting Fast's lack of finishing ability with Strome and Panarin, this should be an intriguing move for you. Gauthier needs some time and a decent leash to grow as a NHLer, but he can certainly be that role player like Fast but with considerably better finishing ability and the size to bully his way to the net.

I could see this being more of a Fast replacement in the short term than a Kreider one.
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While I doubt they plug him right onto that line immediately, I can't pretend that the prospect doesn't intrigue me.

Playing Gauthier with Panarin and in front of the net on PP1 or PP2 would be a hell of a way to get his career and confidence jump started.
 
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GAGLine said:
So you were expecting to get McDavid for Joey Keane?

And he's 22, not 23. Stop moving the goal posts to make your argument. You know, the same age Tony DeAngelo was when his NHL career started to take off.
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Did you read my OP about his age? I guess not? I was responding to a poster saying he should spend the rest of the season in the Hartford and it would be exciting if he came into next year with a 40 goal season in the AHL, to which I said he would be 23 with 5 NHL games to his name and that would temper my excitement a bit. Thats all. I thought that was a fair point, and everyone else went nuts with my 23 year old comment.

I didnt think I had to explain the peak of most NHL players these days is getting younger and younger and if at age 23 you have nothing to show for yourself when averages say you should be entering your prime... that might be a serious problem.
 
ThirdEye said:
Just 34 assists in 184 AHL games. If he can't score at the NHL level he probably isn't going to be producing in other ways.

While Keane has had a great season by all accounts I think this is about the max return we were going to get for him since he's not really a household name.
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He was the same way in Juniors, hes a goalscorer in the purest sense
 
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Considering many factors, this is a clear win for us. Keane is indeed 5th tops on the RHD depth chart and was most expendable. At his highest value up to date too.
Carolina surprises me in this. Thought they were stacked on D as well, alas.

Let's get to Gauthier. Dare I say we finally got a sniping mofo up in here? His stats ... 26 goals is 44 games in the AHL this season is quite nice!
Right handed shot. Size and speed too. Still young!

Really happy with this move.
 
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Fitzy said:
While I doubt they plug him right onto that line immediately, I can't pretend that the prospect doesn't intrigue me.

Playing Gauthier with Panarin and in front of the net on PP1 or PP2 would be a hell of a way to get his career and confidence jump started.
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Well if Quinn likes Kakko and Chytil together, and Buchnevich is still here, there aren't too many other places for him to go. I think bringing him up to stick him on the 4th line is counter-productive, but putting him in favorable minutes with two veterans might be a good way to usher him in with confidence.

If the Rangers move guys like Kreider and Fast, they're going to be forced to play some kids above their head unless they get some older bodies back in trades.
 
A lot of talk about the defense in Carolina, but they do not really have anyone in his age range for D prospects. Honka is nice and he is the only other RHD not signed that is a bigger prospect.

TVR is a UFA at the end of the season, Hamilton has 2 years until UFA. Pesce is the only piece they have locked in for a while. For a team that is on a budget, someone like Keane gives them a future piece they can develop in the AHL for another year, maybe two before calling up.

Priske is 23, Kaski is 24, McKeown is 24. Keane can pass waivers and be fine while some of these guys could crack their 3rd pairing next season. And, if Keane is that good, he might be on their 3rd pair next season, replacing TVR.

Carolina is one of the smarter organizations in the league and they know what they have and what they can lose. Gauthier was likely gone next season. He requires waivers and gets claimed. Their forward depth of prospect + their already young forwards meant he was likely not going to make it there next season. If they didn't get the #2 pick and draft Svechnikov, I think Gauthier is probably on the Hurricanes this season, but we benefit from them landing that pick.
 
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JT Kreider said:
Kevin Fiala scored 23 goals as a 21 year old before he was set back by that leg injury, Milano sucks and isn't even worth talking about, Kapanen was with the Leafs towards the end of the season and the playoffs when they nearly beat the Caps as a 21 year old, Tuch was in the midst of a breakout season with another fairly productive year under his belt by his 23rd birthday, Lemieux is a totally different breed and players of his skillset do take a bit longer to develop but also have shorter shelf lives

Fair enough on Virtanen though but he is looking more and more like a rare exception
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My point was that not all players find their roles or are done developing in the time frame you are saying. Sure the best of the best have broken into the league by then, but no one is putting Gauthier in that category and I am hoping you aren't putting Keane there either.

Gauthier has improved every single year so there is no reason to assume he can't continue to improve, even at his over-the-hill age of 22.
 
broadwayblue said:
Exactly what this team needs more of. Guys who bring jam but can actually play.
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