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Pavel Buchnevich
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Apparently it's spare parts when the Rangers leading scorer is part of the offer. Funny.
ElLeetch
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56,57,64,82,78.
Those are Eichel's point totals for his five seasons.
Thats a good player, a #1C. But not elite. He's 24, on his 6th NHL season, and he has yet to reach his top potential. He so far hasn't earned the "Franchise" label.
You conveniently didn’t mention that in all but his first season, he played at almost a PPG. He was also on pace for 94 points last year.
well, interested gm of teams, for which eichel wouldn't lift his nmc, should act before the nmc kicks in to get him. and if you are a gm of a preferred eichel destination shouldn't you act before those other gm's?
that seems to be you. nmc doesn't stop you from pushing a trouba trade.
love the double standard here after reading some of your own and plenty of other nyr fans trade proposals.
but still make it in every bern trade proposal: buch, strome, ada, trouba and the return are always picks, prospects and young pro's on elc.
if buffalo finally decides on trading eichel, they will either look for a quality trade with one piece nearly equal in value to eichel or they will look for quantity (and quality) in futures. your offer of multiple lesser players older than eichel doesn't make buffalo stronger in the short, mid or long term.
new jersey has no trouble to part with zacha for eichel, if he can be considered the main piece in the trade. but buffalo would want hughes and might consider hischier as the main piece.
3, 23, 23, ...
if those numbers make a player a 50-60 point center with even much bigger potential, elite 1c is an understatement for eichel.
Dear Sabres Fans,
We’re sorry natural selection hasn’t killed all of us. Most of us realize there’s no chance we acquire Dahlin without serious consequences.
Eichel might become available at some point — and his value could range drastically. But none of us are dumb enough to assume Dahlin is on the table for the mighty horse shit that’s being presented for his services.
We will not pass Go. We will not Collect $200. The entire NYR fanbase is collectively sorry one of us was foolish enough to even ask about Dahlin.
We’re sorry natural selection hasn’t killed all of us. Most of us realize there’s no chance we acquire Dahlin without serious consequences.
Eichel might become available at some point — and his value could range drastically. But none of us are dumb enough to assume Dahlin is on the table for the mighty horse shit that’s being presented for his services.
We will not pass Go. We will not Collect $200. The entire NYR fanbase is collectively sorry one of us was foolish enough to even ask about Dahlin.
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Oh, you do? Thanks for letting us know.
DeAngelo would be part of your preferred return, I assume?
Fjordy
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What is this nonsense? Have you seen our left side of the defense? Why are we trade Dahlin if it's not a huge overpayment?
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Eichel is getting traded because there’s no chance the Pegulas pick up his bonus and allow him a Trade clause. Buffalo fans will be disappointed in the return initially and maybe long term. The only question is how much pressure Eichel will bring to bear on his destination preferences.
"that seems to be you. nmc doesn't stop you from pushing a trouba trade."
called out for bs
prior to his NMC kicking in July last yr/adjusted for covid before official, up to that pt, I kept trying to see if there was a win win which sends Trouba to DET, the only other place he might have waived for.
I have not pushed Trouba to anyone since he gained full NMC control.
Quite the opposite I have said we are resigned to keeping Trouba [desirable player w/an undesirable contract] for upwards of 3-ish yrs, which is when his NMC turns into NTC, or if this is slightly premature, it is close enuf that he sees the writing on the wall and considers to waive.
Again, your misrepresentation is bs, outright falsehood.
Consider yourself confronted, rebuked, and with comeuppance.
"love the double standard here after reading some of your own and plenty of other nyr fans trade proposals."
I don't speak for other people and they don't speak for me.
There is no double standard as to my posts.
Rangers are among the clubs that have figured out in a hard cap league young, cheap, cost controlled emerging talent is a premium. So is value of depth throughout lineup vs a stud difference maker.
Rangers already have Panarin.
They don't need Eich at 10+.
I have not made any proposal that suggests that problem be defeated by Sabes retaining on Eichel.
I have advocated Sabes do what they can to keep Eich by making him happy. I have been honest this requires signif immediate upgrades and that requires dealing Dahlin, almost without exception.
teams reap what they sow. There is no double standard.
"but still make it in every bern trade proposal: buch, strome, ada, trouba and the return are always picks, prospects and young pro's on elc."
What is so hard for you to understand?
We don't want coke for pepsi, that is usually not profitable.
I don't want buch counterpart for buch, strome counterpart for strome, etc.
Who are you or anyone else, to be cramming something down my throat?
Buch and Strome are gonna be supplanted very soon by Kravtsov and Barron. We do NOT want to trade the younger elc players! We will instead deal the still desirable, mid 20s, productive players who are known commodities. These 2 fit on most clubs and it is only a ? of price and cap fit.
ADA like Namest before him, I didn't want retained too long and dealt sooner. They gambled that his game would further improve and they won. But then they couldn't move him [either Rangers were too greedy or otherwise].
Then ADA blew up and they lost.
I have correctly pointed out the fact ADA is a cheap buy out in and of itself does have value.
Apparently not enough to facilitate a deal, fine NY will buy him out to recover cap at first chance, or prob after exp dr where he serves as unprotected option. There was nothing inappropriate about all that being discussed at these boards.
Trouba I covered above.
"if buffalo finally decides on trading eichel, they will either look for a quality trade with one piece nearly equal in value to eichel or they will look for quantity (and quality) in futures."
They should explore every option and can look all they want.
What will actually be on the table, particularly given 10m salary/cap, may well be something else, unless LA or ANA feels like offering up the types of pieces you are seeking.
"your offer of multiple lesser players older than eichel doesn't make buffalo stronger in the short, mid or long term."
1. Again, I did not offer for Eichel, but for Dahlin.
2. Zib is signif. Buch is signif. Taking Skinner albatross contract at 6.5 is huge.
Sending you Smith for Hutton is signif.
If there was nothing else, that is a competitive offer.
haters gonna hate, bullies gonna bully until they get comeuppance.
Try to learn from this
It is not nonsense.
Either you have a problem or you don't.
Eichel may bolt, you have a prob.
To solve the prob, you need an internal or external solution.
Can you deal internal assets [other than Dahlin] to get substantial signif improvement that keeps Eich, extends Hall, and helps Cozens??
No, you do not have signif other options.
Sure, rearrange the deck chairs on the Titanic, it could help.
but that is help, not overcome your probs.
Have I seen your LD?
Yes, and I agree it is not pretty.
But cap relief on Skinner retained and moving Hutton plus Zib + Buch + Strome is signif help to F group.
Pray your emerging RDs are best case scenario, then try to get lucky w/a LD here and there.
I put out a signif offer which didn't include Dea.
No, it is not bluest blue chip elcs, but
2 mid 20 somethings - Buch and Strome
one later 20s C = Zib
cap relief on Skinner retained to 6.5
cap relief on Hutton for Huska
something like that.
That's a signif offer, and if you get a better one, fine, we will sell those vets a la carte for futures and avoid the bad contracts.
Yield to reality.
Buch and Strome will move for Kravtsov and Barron.
The above are the available pieces.
Not NY's bluest blue chips.
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Yes, this is nonsense, we do not trade Dahlin, and I am already mentally prepared for Eichel trade and some restructuring.
Although I like some of the pieces (not for Dahlin) there is one significant part you added that won't happen,extending Hall.Either Reinhart or Hall not both will be extended
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Eichel is not going to NYC? I’m sry you’re struggling but i do believe you need to come to grips that Eichel, like Laaafontsine and Drury, will at some point become a NY Ranger. Everybody deserves to be a Ranger!!!! Everybody
See we like to collect names. Did you know the top 3 scorers of all-time were Rangers? Yup.
#1 scorer of all time, #99 was a Ranger.
#2 scorer of all time, Jagr was a Ranger. Apparently he’ll never stop playing so he might return
#3 Messier and we won one Cup in 81 years with him.
#6 all time Marcel Dionne made the trip East. He didn’t do much but it was a dream come true
#10 all time Phil Espo. Love the Bruins but i’ll wear the Rangers sweater if you pay me. He also became our GM and traded our highest pick in years for head coach Michel Bergeron only to fire him before the playoffs so he could coach and fail
Around #16 is Bryan Trottier and he couldn’t skate anymore so we gave him his first and only head coaching job. He lasted 54 games
#21 Jari Kurri was about to retire but we felt if he can skate he might as well be a Ranger
#22 Luc Robataille was quite a find yet he stopped playing in Ny so we traded him for Former Penguins all-star Kevin Stevens who stopped playing too (or maybe it was Stevens for Robataille? Tough to remember b/c we had so few memories worth keeping
Please don’t drift away and let me lose you now b/c
#26 all- time scorer Brendan Shanahan was also a Ranger. He didn’t do much and it a bit forgetful b/c
. . . The Flower!!!! #27 all-time scorer Guy LeFleur had never spent much time in NY so he figured, why not become a Ranger?
#31 Mike Gartner tormented us but we made him a Ranger only to ship him out for Edmonton’s all-time great Glenn Andersson
I might be boring you at this point so let me quickly add the names Eric Lindros, Pavel Bure, Theo Fleury, Steve Larmer, Bobby Holik, Marty McSorley, Kevin Lowe, Craig McTavish, and more come
Add the above up and we have one Cup at the cost of almost a billion dollars
So think again when you post that Eichel isn’t going to NYC. He might be 34 years of age when it happens but he’s coming. Everybody deserves to be Ranger
Smh - this blanking team
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In other words, his durability is an issue, and thus, should reflect in his valuation.
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During his prime years, Crosby had consecutive seasons of 66, 37, and 56 points. Guess he sucked and was not a franchise center, too, by your "logic".
Pavel Buchnevich
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The Rangers would likely trade with Buchnevich in a trade for Eichel, but these people suggesting that the Rangers giving up good players from our NHL team like Buchnevich, Chytil, Strome are spare parts are being disingenuous. You trade these players because Eichel is an elite player, but if you are adding an elite player you'd prefer to not lose anything off your NHL team. The whole point of trading for Eichel is to get a lot better to compete for a Cup. You make the team a lot better by not giving up your top players for Eichel. You get less better when that trade includes some of the best players on your team currently. I also didn't suggest that Zacha wouldn't be an insignificant piece for the Devils to trade.
