Proposal: NYR-BUF
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AirGut
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I genuinely would put money on Adams f***ing this up and not getting as much of a return as he should, seriously. Buffalo seems cursed
I am encouraged the hard cap reality will save us from this.
It would be closer to
Zib + Buch + Strome + possibly taking on Skinner at 6.5
but as I said, we would prefer Dahlin for cost control purposes.
The other aspect is we sell the above guys a la carte.
If Eichel ever gets to NYR it will not be for at least 3 yrs after we may be able to move Trouba
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short of the Lindros deal, almost 30 years back, no team ever gets "as much of a return as he should" - look at Thornton deal, Seguin deal, Nash deal, etc
the online insistence that NYR must yield Laf, Kakko, Fox, Shesty, even Miller, is just internet jabber, not based on precedent, does not reflect what might likely happen
but this NYR fan will be fine, if they dodge this Eichel bullet,
they will find a top 2 C without surrendering ~4 high-value assets
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Sounds like you should keep Eichel.
Then I remembered he wants out and has a 7.5m signing bonus and an NMC that kicks in on 7/1/22.
That’s exactly why every GM will wait this one out and force Buffalo to take a return that fans won’t like.
If I'm buffalo, I ask for Kakko, Strome and one of your goalies. They screwed up by not dealing Eichel prior to the draft. The top overall pick, Kakko, goalie and another pick for Eichel. Chytil doesn't do much for them. They need a goalie. The Range didn't need who they drafted number one overall. They were fine at wing, but stink at center.
Top 5 Center.....come on. Is he better than McDavid, Drai, Mackinnon, Matthew's, Barkov? Shoot i am not sure he is even top 10 with with Scheif, Aho, Barzal, Crosby, Tavares, Point, Bergeron. I dont think the argument is top 5 you can make a case for maybe top 10 but not top 5. NHL.com has him at 32nd in scoring for centers this year.
I made a thread about this not long ago and there were actually some top 5 lists that included Eichel. From what I've noticed, McDavid, Mackinnon and Matthews are the only players that have a spot solidified on that list. Some people don't include Drai, me included, because I don't think 110 points excuses subpar defence. But that's just me. That's why it's debatable.
His lack of scoring is also because Buffalo has hit new depths this seasons. Don't know what's going on there but it's affecting every player on that team. There's a bit of an asterisk there if you ask me.
The thing is.. as a Rangers fan, losing Buchnevich, Chytil, Lundkvist, and our 2021 1st rounder would hurt real bad.
Buchnevich is scoring on a similar pace to Eichel and for most of the year he's been stapled to a zombie version of Zibanejad. He's driving the play on that line and playing much better hockey than last year, when he scored at a 20-35-55 pace. He's going to be a 60-70 point player in this league for the foreseeable future and he's still an RFA after this year. PLUS, he kills penalties and is a huge reason why the Rangers PK is 4th best in the league to this point.
Chytil is already showing this year that he can be a 50-60 point center in this league. His upside is even higher than that. He is not going to replace Eichel as a top-10 center in the league, but he is turning into a monster. If he hits his upside, he'll be a fan favorite. He's only 21 and he's shown dramatic improvement in each season so far.
Lundkvist is one of the top prospects in the world outside of the NHL. He shattered the record for a U-20 defenseman in the SHL. The thought of pairing him and Dahlin should be enough to make any hockey fan extremely excited.
Our 1st overall pick this year will almost definitely be a lottery pick. It could be someone who is a real key piece on your team who is on an ELC at the same time the rest of your core (Dahlin, Cozens, Mittlestadt) are beginning to compete for the playoffs. And plus, it's a Rangers first rounder so it just might have some lottery magic attached to it
And I totally get that Sabres fans could make a similar post about Eichel and how painful it would be to lose him. But those would be 4 excellent depth pieces to add to your core. Kakko and Laf obviously have amazing potential but it's not even a guarantee that they'll ever reach the level that Buch and Chytil are playing at right now.
I know people don't watch all of our games and prospects, so I just wanted to summarize a bit here for people who might not know these guys as well. I'm not saying that this is 100% a fair deal for Eichel and I'm NOT saying that it should be easy for Sabres fans to accept it, but I'm just surprised how quickly it gets turned down without consideration from Sabres fans.
Buchnevich is scoring on a similar pace to Eichel and for most of the year he's been stapled to a zombie version of Zibanejad. He's driving the play on that line and playing much better hockey than last year, when he scored at a 20-35-55 pace. He's going to be a 60-70 point player in this league for the foreseeable future and he's still an RFA after this year. PLUS, he kills penalties and is a huge reason why the Rangers PK is 4th best in the league to this point.
Chytil is already showing this year that he can be a 50-60 point center in this league. His upside is even higher than that. He is not going to replace Eichel as a top-10 center in the league, but he is turning into a monster. If he hits his upside, he'll be a fan favorite. He's only 21 and he's shown dramatic improvement in each season so far.
Lundkvist is one of the top prospects in the world outside of the NHL. He shattered the record for a U-20 defenseman in the SHL. The thought of pairing him and Dahlin should be enough to make any hockey fan extremely excited.
Our 1st overall pick this year will almost definitely be a lottery pick. It could be someone who is a real key piece on your team who is on an ELC at the same time the rest of your core (Dahlin, Cozens, Mittlestadt) are beginning to compete for the playoffs. And plus, it's a Rangers first rounder so it just might have some lottery magic attached to it
And I totally get that Sabres fans could make a similar post about Eichel and how painful it would be to lose him. But those would be 4 excellent depth pieces to add to your core. Kakko and Laf obviously have amazing potential but it's not even a guarantee that they'll ever reach the level that Buch and Chytil are playing at right now.
I know people don't watch all of our games and prospects, so I just wanted to summarize a bit here for people who might not know these guys as well. I'm not saying that this is 100% a fair deal for Eichel and I'm NOT saying that it should be easy for Sabres fans to accept it, but I'm just surprised how quickly it gets turned down without consideration from Sabres fans.
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Why do you assume only the Rangers and Kings would be in on Eichel? You're not even offering any of the pieces that would make the Rangers front runners to acquire a talent like Eichel. Every team in the league could beat your offer if they wanted to get Eichel
I am fairly certain if you did a poll way more fans would choose drai over Eichel. I dont think that's debatable but maybe I am wrong. If you dismiss drai for defense I am sure you would adding Bergeron because Eichel isn't exactly a defensive guru.
I am fairly certain most fans would choose Scheif and Barkov above Eichel. I would love to see those polls too. Maybe polls would be more interesting then terrible trade proposals haha.
The one knock i have on Eichel is he seems to have a ton of excuses. First its he doesn't play with anyone. He gets Hall, Skinner, Reinhart etc and now its the coaching. Oh and then he is hurt. Every hockey player plays hurt. If he is that hurt he needs to sit down. Its not like they are playing for a playoff spot. Buffalo sucks but so do other teams and stars still play their asses off. Ranger fans complain about their coach and stars like Panarin still put up points galore. Edmonton hasn't exactly been great and McDavid and Drai still kill it on a night to night basis. Kind of makes him look bad if he is quitting out there. Not a good trait.
I want to see Eichel traded so we can see the "real" him. He is either better then what he has shown and goes to a different level or he is what he is.
Still peddling the same trash? For Eichel or Dahlin? Bread Man should be the basis of either deal, not your junk.
The thing is.. as a Rangers fan, losing Buchnevich, Chytil, Lundkvist, and our 2021 1st rounder would hurt real bad.
Buchnevich is scoring on a similar pace to Eichel and for most of the year he's been stapled to a zombie version of Zibanejad. He's driving the play on that line and playing much better hockey than last year, when he scored at a 20-35-55 pace. He's going to be a 60-70 point player in this league for the foreseeable future and he's still an RFA after this year. PLUS, he kills penalties and is a huge reason why the Rangers PK is 4th best in the league to this point.
Chytil is already showing this year that he can be a 50-60 point center in this league. His upside is even higher than that. He is not going to replace Eichel as a top-10 center in the league, but he is turning into a monster. If he hits his upside, he'll be a fan favorite. He's only 21 and he's shown dramatic improvement in each season so far.
Lundkvist is one of the top prospects in the world outside of the NHL. He shattered the record for a U-20 defenseman in the SHL. The thought of pairing him and Dahlin should be enough to make any hockey fan extremely excited.
Our 1st overall pick this year will almost definitely be a lottery pick. It could be someone who is a real key piece on your team who is on an ELC at the same time the rest of your core (Dahlin, Cozens, Mittlestadt) are beginning to compete for the playoffs. And plus, it's a Rangers first rounder so it just might have some lottery magic attached to it
And I totally get that Sabres fans could make a similar post about Eichel and how painful it would be to lose him. But those would be 4 excellent depth pieces to add to your core. Kakko and Laf obviously have amazing potential but it's not even a guarantee that they'll ever reach the level that Buch and Chytil are playing at right now.
I know people don't watch all of our games and prospects, so I just wanted to summarize a bit here for people who might not know these guys as well. I'm not saying that this is 100% a fair deal for Eichel and I'm NOT saying that it should be easy for Sabres fans to accept it, but I'm just surprised how quickly it gets turned down without consideration from Sabres fans.
We are not moving Chytil as we are moving Zib.
Buch can be had given sell high w/Kravtsov + Barron soon here.
but NY's bluest blue chip elcs are not available.
And again, we prefer not to absorb Eichel or other big # unless/until we are at least close to moving Trouba.
Sure every team would want ... but who
a) can afford 10 m per
and
b) has cap space
and that is before you even start about compensation the other way.
If I’m Buffalo I would call up Anaheim and ask for a deal centered around Trevor Zegras. I do NOT want a deal centered around kakko. It’s lafreniere or I’m dealing with another team.
some people apparently refuse to pay attention.
First, Panarin has NMC so even if we would consider dealing, that's a no.
Second, NY is not here to bail out other teams on their problems unless they get a fee or other profit for their trouble.
Players you referred to as 'trash' are good assets who have become/are becoming surplus in Ranger land due to emerging elcs/rfas.
BUF may want coke for pepsi, but it won't get it.
Is Dallas gonna cough up Heiskanen?
No.
Sabres CAN get an overpayment for multiple reasons but it will be in currency suitor is willing to provide, not what BUF demands. Why? The motivation here is team continues to play so poorly that at some pt it's star demands out.
THAT is reality.
I agree if ANA wants to go there, Zegras at the heart of a return is the best offer. How much both sides add after that is an open ?....
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Like half the teams in the league could take on his contract this summer when they have more flexibility. Others could make moves to open up space, Seattle expansion offers another avenue to work out a deal to dump cap. Teams will move heaven and earth if it means they get to acquire a young, elite 1C
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Yes and no.
They will overpay, yes, but no, will stop short of gutting the team.
Hence either less is offered, or the surplus is in the suitor's choice of currency.
Oh I have no idea lol I don’t know their team that well but I know eichel would be a great replacement for the aging getzlaf so I would think they would be interested. I am higher on zegras then most. I think he will turn out to be a game breaker
smoneil
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So to be clear, when highly drafted prospects who have been thriving are offered for Eichel, that's the Rangers offering "trash." But for Dahlin, who has been spinning his wheels for three seasons now, a Hart finalist has to be the basis of the potential deal? Also, Panarin has three seasons (his three most recent seasons) where he out-produces Eichel's career year.
Clearly, Buffalo needs to just hold on to their players, since all of them are just so gosh-dang awesome that they'll surely be hoisting Lord Stanley in a year or two.
It's fine for Buffalo fans to want an obscene return for Eichel, but if they get it, it had better not be from the Rangers. You don't improve your team by decimating your roster for one guy who has done nothing but lose in his career.
