Confirmed Signing with Link: [NYR] Adam Fox signs extension with the Rangers (7 years, $9.5M AAV)

[FourRings]

This is a great deal for the Rags.

 

[The S5]

I didn't say anything about other D lol? He's just a good - not great - player who is now overpaid.
If you want to see a real laser pass by him, check out the one to Panarin the other night vs Vancouver. Tape to tape all day baby.




???

Do me a favor and check to see which skater has the most secondary PP assists over this season and last. I would tell you but I don't want to spoil the surprise!

The kids aren't doing it, but they need to understand that with the man advantage, you can simply pass the puck across the ice uncontested, do nothing else, and then receive a point for doing so. If they do that, GM's are forced to throw exorbitant amounts of money at them.

You do realize that you look really stupid and transparent. You do you though.

 

[Fataldogg]

2 seasons in the NHL (and a trophy that i didnt think he should have won over Hedman), 40+ points but, 9.5 already... call me paranoid, but, i would want to see 2-3 more years before that dollar figure

Hedman didn't deserve to be a finalist let alone win over Fox or Makar that season. You don't win trophies just because your name is Hedman and you have a great reputation.

 

[Sempiternal]

I think Cale Makar is better, but this is a great deal for the Rangers.

 

[EastVillageBlues]

I think Cale Makar is better, but this is a great deal for the Rangers.

Fox, Makar, and Hughs should be top 5 in Norris considerations for years to come. I don't think there is that much daylight between any pair of them.

 

[mydnyte]

Fox, Makar, and Hughs should be top 5 in Norris considerations for years to come. I don't think there is that much daylight between any pair of them.

when did the defensive side of playing defense stop being a factor in the voting... being a stud on offense and okay on the defensive side shouldn't get you a trophy, else Phil Housley would have had a showcase full of them.
Makar is the only one 'right now' that is also good on the defensive side, the others are meh

 

[FoxysExpensiveNYDigs]

when did the defensive side of playing defense stop being a factor in the voting... being a stud on offense and okay on the defensive side shouldn't get you a trophy, else Phil Housley would have had a showcase full of them.
Makar is the only one 'right now' that is also good on the defensive side, the others are meh

Fox is better than Makar on the defensive side.

 

[NYRKing]

when did the defensive side of playing defense stop being a factor in the voting... being a stud on offense and okay on the defensive side shouldn't get you a trophy, else Phil Housley would have had a showcase full of them.
Makar is the only one 'right now' that is also good on the defensive side, the others are meh

This is a complete myth. At this point I can’t believe anyone that watches Fox each game would say he’s not a good defensive player. His offensive abilities overshadow the complete package. Realistically his draft position, size, and forcing his way to NY might prevent him from being a league wide favorite, but he’s a star right now.

 

[nbwingsfan]

Just keep in mind the Canes basically let this guy go for free.

Just keep in mind he already stated to them he wasn’t go to ever sign with them. Try and keep up.

 

[Kupo]

when did the defensive side of playing defense stop being a factor in the voting... being a stud on offense and okay on the defensive side shouldn't get you a trophy, else Phil Housley would have had a showcase full of them.
Makar is the only one 'right now' that is also good on the defensive side, the others are meh

Suggesting Fox is Meh defensively is a great way of announcing you don’t actually watch him play.

 

[mydnyte]

Suggesting Fox is Meh defensively is a great way of announcing you don’t actually watch him play.

maybe i just have a much higher standard on defensemen actually being able to defend than most people
...you can count the 'good' defenders on a hand these days.
so, yes, to me, Fox is 'meh'

 

[2020 Cup Champions]

Suggesting Fox is Meh defensively is a great way of announcing you don’t actually watch him play.

But if he's so good at defending why is he scoring points all the time

 

[Kupo]

maybe i just have a much higher standard on defensemen actually being able to defend than most people
...you can count the 'good' defenders on a hand these days.
so, yes, to me, Fox is 'meh'

What, specifically, is meh about Fox’s defensive game?

 

[Hunter Gathers]

when did the defensive side of playing defense stop being a factor in the voting... being a stud on offense and okay on the defensive side shouldn't get you a trophy, else Phil Housley would have had a showcase full of them.
Makar is the only one 'right now' that is also good on the defensive side, the others are meh

This is laughable since Fox is a fair bit better than Makar defensively right now.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

maybe i just have a much higher standard on defensemen actually being able to defend than most people
...you can count the 'good' defenders on a hand these days.
so, yes, to me, Fox is 'meh'

Nah, it's much more likely that you've never seen him play. I can't fathom pretending to know how defense works and somehow thinking Fox is "meh" defensively (let alone below Makar defensively, LOL).

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

maybe i just have a much higher standard on defensemen actually being able to defend than most people
...you can count the 'good' defenders on a hand these days.
so, yes, to me, Fox is 'meh'

Fox is better at defending than Makar though...

If anyone is getting underrated for their defensive game it's McAvoy, realistically he was the best defenseman in the league last year just didn't have nearly as many PP points as the 2 above (hard to do when your always the 4th person to touch the puck before the PP scores).

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

when did the defensive side of playing defense stop being a factor in the voting... being a stud on offense and okay on the defensive side shouldn't get you a trophy, else Phil Housley would have had a showcase full of them.
Makar is the only one 'right now' that is also good on the defensive side, the others are meh

Fox is arguably better defensively than he is offensively.

I swear, the amount of people who have so clearly not watched Fox or at least familiarize themselves with what he actually is as a player instead of just reading his statlines and seeing he's undersized so they just assume he's one dimensional.

Fox is far and away the Rangers' best defensive defenseman. If he wasn't putting up a PPG and was more of a 35-40 point guy he would still be one of the best defensemen in the league, that's how good he is.

 

[JT Kreider]

maybe i just have a much higher standard on defensemen actually being able to defend than most people
...you can count the 'good' defenders on a hand these days.
so, yes, to me, Fox is 'meh'

Ok if your standard is a Lidstrom/Orr/Chara/Leetch hybrid

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Ok if your standard is a Lidstrom/Orr/Chara/Leetch hybrid

Isn't that still just Lidstrom? I guess Chara's hits would be a nice add to Lidstrom's insane stat line though

 

[tapi]

Just keep in mind he already stated to them he wasn’t go to ever sign with them. Try and keep up.

Sorry, didn't know prospects have the prerogative of just deciding they are not going to sign for their draft team and can freely change to one of their choosing akin to if they were a UFA (or for minimal compensation, as in this case).

My bad.

My only question is, why don't we see this more often? Could it be that there was something different in the response of the Canes to this situation, in comparison to, lets say, if McDavid had refused to sign with the Oilers? Surely there are many top prospects who for whatever reason would prefer another team. It seems to me unlikely the Oilers would have just let him (or insert in place of McDavid any good prospect) go for basically nothing just because he didn't feel like playing there.

Indeed, the correct response of the Canes would have been to let him play in the Uni or go to Europe if no NHL team compensated them adequately for his rights. But instead they opted to give a #1 D prospect away for nothing.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Sorry, didn't know prospects have the prerogative of just deciding they are not going to sign for their draft team and can freely change to one of their choosing akin to if they were a UFA (or for minimal compensation, as in this case).

My bad.

My only question is, why don't we see this more often? Could it be that there was something different in the response of the Canes to this situation, in comparison to, lets say, if McDavid had refused to sign with the Oilers? Surely there are many top prospects who for whatever reason would prefer another team. It seems to me unlikely the Oilers would have just let him (or insert in place of McDavid any good prospect) go for basically nothing just because he didn't feel like playing there.

Indeed, the correct response of the Canes would have been to let him play in the Uni or go to Europe if no NHL team compensated them adequately for his rights. But instead they opted to give a #1 D prospect away for nothing.

Becuase the only way to do it is through NCAA. Basically thr NHL team cant force a player to come play for them if they are in school. As for why it doesn't happen more often, thats because most people are happy to be given the chance and dont have superiority complexes. Other recent examples of NCAA players who refused to sign are Kerfoot and Priskie

 

[tapi]

Becuase the only way to do it is through NCAA. Basically thr NHL team cant force a player to come play for them if they are in school. As for why it doesn't happen more often, thats because most people are happy to be given the chance and dont have superiority complexes. Other recent examples of NCAA players who refused to sign are Kerfoot and Priskie

Even if they don't want to play and cannot be forced, the drafter team is by no means under compulsion to trade their rights for nothing, like the Canes did with Fox. Let them play in Europe, unless good compensation is acquired in return for their rights.

Way more stupid to give a competitor a potentially elite player for free, than to have him sit out or play overseas (if the player would actually be willing to go that far: multiple years in Europe, huge loss of money, disastrous hindrance to development)

 

[Jannik Hansen]

Even if they don't want to play and cannot be forced, the drafter team is by no means under compulsion to trade their rights for nothing, like the Canes did with Fox. Let them play in Europe, unless good compensation is acquired in return for their rights.

Way more stupid to give a competitor a potentially elite player for free, than to have him sit out or play overseas (if the player would actually be willing to go that far: multiple years in Europe, huge loss of money, disastrous hindrance to development)

He wouldn't have to play multiple years in Europe, he was set to become a UFA. They would have literally gotten nothing for him rather than figuratively gotten nothing for him.

 

[jay from jersey]

maybe i just have a much higher standard on defensemen actually being able to defend than most people
...you can count the 'good' defenders on a hand these days.
so, yes, to me, Fox is 'meh'

You have no clue what your talking about.
Fox is rock solid defensively. Impeccable positioning and rarely ever takes a penalty

 

[jay from jersey]

Fox is better at defending than Makar though...

If anyone is getting underrated for their defensive game it's McAvoy, realistically he was the best defenseman in the league last year just didn't have nearly as many PP points as the 2 above (hard to do when your always the 4th person to touch the puck before the PP scores).

I have a feeling that these 3 are going to be a lot of Norris finalists/winners over the next 5-7 years.
1 of these guys on any given year can win. 3 studs.

Hedman is still a heck of a defenseman, but he’s getting older now. He’ll still be in the mix for 3-4 more years maybe. Then it’s a 3 horse race.