Confirmed with Link: NYR Acquire Jacob Trouba for Pionk and 20th Overall pick

[Maximus]

You have a far more optimistic view of this roster than I do. There’s not going to be an overnight turnaround. And, I do not think Panarin is going to end up on the Rangers. Trouba is a great addition, and I love the youth added to the roster. But, these kids are not ready-made NHL stars. I would consider it a successful season if both Kravtsov and Kakko hit 40+ points as rookies, and that doesn’t even replace the points lost from trading Zuccarello and Hayes. I’m very bullish on the Rangers’ future, but there’s a reason JD was immediately preaching patience. There’s still a lot of ground to cover.

Jas I agree with you that this is not going to be an overnight turnaround...I do. But this is not overnight anymore. We are heading into our 3rd draft of the rebuild, Gorton has secured some major assets and he's about to draft a player in Kakko who is going to likely be a transcendental type of player for this franchise. Kravtsov I can see being a 40 point guy...Kakko tho, from what I've seen of him, I can easily see him being in that Pettersson range of a 60-70 point guy off the bat in his rookie season.

I'm also basing my thoughts that we will at worst be a bubble team this year just as much on the fact I don't think the Islanders,Canes or Jackets rosters are that much better than ours...I don't. The Islanders especially, I look at them and I see Barzal and a couple of 40-50 point guys who under Trotz system will trap and try and win 2-1, 3-2 every night. I'm not a big Robin Lehner or Thomas Greiss believer either. I'm still in shock they won the Metro. I think they take a significant step backward. The Jackets withought Panarin or Bob are simply not as good a team. Can the Jerks do it again with Mzarek and McHilleney?

The Pens are showing signs of being knocked down a peg or two. I'm not saying we are a lock for the playoffs but if we sign Panarin, yeah I'd be shocked if we didn't get in. And I do believe this Trouba trade makes it more likely Gorton and JD will be going hard for Panarin...even more so than I originally thought. And what's sweet, the rebuild could continue on it's merry way even if we get Panarin...good times to be a Ranger fan for sure...

 

[Maximus]

You mean Barzal.

Barkov not only had an awesome year, but he plays for the Panthers.

Yes my bad...Barzal...got the name wrong but the player I meant was Barzal. Barkov was amazing as I had him on my big $$ fantasy team...trust me, I know all about him...lol

 

[Inferno]

There's going to be a lot of collateral damage.

D'Angelo is going to get a bridge contract. The expectation is that Trouba is going to be here for a long time. Same with Fox. ADA still has a lot of work to do on his game. He have that opportunity but he's going to get a 2 year bridge at best to prove himself. Lundkvist gets plenty of time to marinate in Sweden.
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Smith was going to be bought out under any circumstances. Now that's a certainty. The only question is if someone comes along at the last minute to take him at a 50% discount.

I'm not sure what to think about Shattenkirk but there's certainly plenty of possibilities. Trade, buyout, placeholder for Fox are all in play. I'm sure he will be shopped at the draft and this may intensify after the Rangers get a look at fox on the ice next week. If the Rangers sign both Panarin and Trouba to long term deals, they may need cap room. Lots of moving parts here.

I guess the good thing is that for the first time in a couple of years, we are adding to the top of the deck. That feels so damn good.

i don’t think deangelo has much to prove in his game at all...I think what he has to prove is between his ears. He needs to grow up. But his game is there.

 

[Gert B Frobe]

Islanders for one. Who besides Barkov scares you? And even he had a down year. You think Lehner is now all of a sudden a perenial Vezina candidate? I know I don't. They have warts.

The Canes?. I like them and they do have some nice pieces but you think a duo of Mzarek and McHilleheny is a recipe for playoff success? I don't. They have warts for sure.

Columbus? They lose Panarin and Bob, you don't think they don't move down a peg or two? I know I do.

Heck even the Pens started to show some chinks in their armour.

You put Panarin on our roster along with Kakko and now Trouba, I'm not even mentioning the additions of Kravtsov, Fox and the likely improvements of Chytle, Howden, ADA...etc I think our roster with the goaltending of Georgie and Hank is absolutaly good enough to secure a 6,7.8 seed and with a little luck possibly secure a 2,3 Metro seed.

Heck did you think the Islanders would win the division last year with that roster? I know I didn't. We could do some damage this year and alot of teams in our conference have warts including us but I like or chances especially if we get Panarin now that we got Trouba.

That's certainly putting a positive spin on things.

 

[GregSirico]

Buying out Shatty is beyond dumb.

 

[Larry Melnyk]

You have a far more optimistic view of this roster than I do. There’s not going to be an overnight turnaround. And, I do not think Panarin is going to end up on the Rangers. Trouba is a great addition, and I love the youth added to the roster. But, these kids are not ready-made NHL stars. I would consider it a successful season if both Kravtsov and Kakko hit 40+ points as rookies, and that doesn’t even replace the points lost from trading Zuccarello and Hayes. I’m very bullish on the Rangers’ future, but there’s a reason JD was immediately preaching patience. There’s still a lot of ground to cover.

 

[Edge]

I disagree with this overreaction. In no way shape or form does adding Trouba for what we gave away hurt this teams rebuild whatsoever. You traded a 20th overall pick for a proven commodity that is entering his prime. That is ok.

For perspective, Trouba is essentially a year and a half older than the “young” defenseman we just traded for him. A 2012 pick for a 2013 eligible.

He’s also younger than both Boo Nieves and Steve Fogarty.

 

[bobbop]

i don’t think deangelo has much to prove in his game at all...I think what he has to prove is between his ears. He needs to grow up. But his game is there.

ADA has to play better defense. He's fine in the offensive end.

But yes, you did nail the bigger problem.

 

[Maximus]

So if everything goes right for the rangers they will be a great team next season?

Not sure where you are going or this is a sarcastic retort on your part but obviously if everything goes right, they'll be a good team next season. Am I missing something?

 

[TheTakedown]

I truly though a Trouba trade was going to happen but I am amazed at the low cost. This is incredibly good news. The Rangers now have a stud 25 year old first pair defenseman at an incredibly low cost. Wow, just Wow!

I said it a few weeks ago, WPG needed to decide what they valued -- 1 year of trouba vs the return of trading trouba, and then from there it was a cap space game.

Looks like they went the cap space routeb

 

[Drew4u]

ADA has to play better defense. He's fine in the offensive end.

But yes, you did nail the bigger problem.

I don't believe DeAngelo is that bad defensively. He's very agressive and active in the D-zone, however occasionally gets caught out of position. It's not a big issue.

 

[Anzi]

Neal Pionk shutdown D

 

[Maximus]

That's certainly putting a positive spin on things.

I feel as if I have a proper amount of positivism with realism as well....a pretty good mix.

I'm asking this in all seriousness, who other than the Caps, Lightning,Leafs and Bruins in the East do you think are clearly head and shoulders above the Rangers now that we have Trouba, are adding Kakko and if we sign Panarin and are locks for the playoffs? I'd love to know because I don't see anyone other than those 4 I just named.

If you or others seen other teams that are much better than us and are locks to finish ahead of us, please do indicate who they are. I'll give you reluctantly the Pens as they should be a playoff team as they still have Crosby, Malkin,Kessel and Letang but even they are showing signs of wear and tear and could dissapoint this upcoming season.

I said I like the Canes..I do as I like their roster...I just don't like their goaltending. I don't like the Islanders at all and the Jackets could go tumbling to bubble status if Panarin and Bob leave. As I said, it's not a lock for us but we are alot closer to the playoffs than some in here want to believe...that's all.

 

[duhmetreE]

JD gets Pietrangelo in STL. Jones in CLB. Trouba with the NYR.

Now for a veteran Russian playmaker

 

[New York RKY]

I’m 95% sure that Kreider gets packaged along with someone else to move up and grab one of the faller players that they like.

They will kick the tires on Panarin and if they can get him for a reasonably decent contract then they will pull the trigger.

To think in a couple of years we could have:

Miller - Trouba
Skjei - Fox
Hajek/Rykov/Lindgren - ADA/Lundkvist

Is pretty damn impressive.

 

[Rangerfan4life90]

I’m 95% sure that Kreider gets packaged along with someone else to move up and grab one of the faller players that they like.

They will kick the tires on Panarin and if they can get him for a reasonably decent contract then they will pull the trigger.

To think in a couple of years we could have:

Miller - Trouba
Skjei - Fox
Hajek/Rykov/Lindgren - ADA/Lundkvist

Is pretty damn impressive.

Only legit problem is a logjam of defensemen. Something will have to give at some point.

 

[New York RKY]

Only legit problem is a logjam of defensemen. Something will have to give at some point.

You don’t keep everyone. The players that earn it gets in the top 6 and you use the depth to fill in other holes in the lineup. You stockpile as many assets as you can with the intention of getting the best ones in your line up and using the rest as trade pieces.

 

[Rempe73]

His facial expression makes it so much better

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

I think anyone prognosticating about how we're going to do next season, or how any team is going to do for that matter, should take a breath. The draft and free agency haven't even happened yet plus, if last season taught us anything it's that how teams look on paper in training camp isn't going to always translate into on ice play. We could be ass again, we could be a bubble team, we could be legitimately good. The NHL is more of a crapshoot than it's ever been. Look at our biggest rivals for a perfect example of that.

What we can say with certainty is that Gorton is making tons of savvy moves and acquiring lots of talent to put our best foot forward as soon as this season while still sticking to the plan. If we are good next year then it's a nice surprise but most importantly, they're doing it the right way. If they're a bubble team, that would actually be good. A bubble team with plug and play free agents is disappointing when they miss out or lose in round 1, but when you have a solid young core with a stacked pipeline it will be solid progression. It's not a last gasp situation.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Consider this scenario. Trouba doesn't re-sign but has a great year and we're in the playoffs. Do we trade our #1 defenseman right before the playoffs?

 

[Thirty One]

Consider this scenario. Trouba doesn't re-sign but has a great year and we're in the playoffs. Do we trade our #1 defenseman right before the playoffs?

Almost definitely, yes.

 

[Matt Rentfree]

Consider this scenario. Trouba doesn't re-sign but has a great year and we're in the playoffs. Do we trade our #1 defenseman right before the playoffs?

Speaking as a fan, absolutely. If I were the GM and my job was at stake, I honestly doubt it.

 

[Rempe73]

Trouba 25
ADA 23
Fox 21

Right side rebuild defense DONE!

That is so nasty. Just reading that puts me in a great mood.

By the way, does anyone know the whole situation with Trouba’s girlfriend? I know she’s aiming to be a doctor, but is there anything in the way of Trouba signing in NY? One post I read said she’s an actress and that she wants to live in California?

 

[Matt Rentfree]

That is so nasty. Just reading that puts me in a great mood.

By the way, does anyone know the whole situation with Trouba’s girlfriend? I know she’s aiming to be a doctor, but is there anything in the way of Trouba signing in NY? One post I read said she’s an actress and that she wants to live in California?

She's taking acting classes as a backup in case the doctor thing doesn't pan out.

 

[Levitate]

I'm not sure what to think about Shattenkirk but there's certainly plenty of possibilities. Trade, buyout, placeholder for Fox are all in play. I'm sure he will be shopped at the draft and this may intensify after the Rangers get a look at fox on the ice next week. If the Rangers sign both Panarin and Trouba to long term deals, they may need cap room. Lots of moving parts here.

Depends on how fast they need it, since Lundqvist will come off the books relatively soon.

Rangers D is still bad, Trouba just makes it less bad, but he's an important piece going forward. With Staal and Shattenkirk still going to be relied upon in the lineup, it's going to be tough to be good unless Shattenkirk has a big comeback year.

I think DeAngelo and Fox are going to be basically competing against each other in the coming year or two for a long term spot on the team (assuming they both are around that long) but when the old guys start heading out and the new guys start coming in, it could get young and good real fast. 1-2 more years for Miller, and guys who play in college tend to be able to step in quicker and produce quicker. Same for Lundkvist, 1-2 more years, playing against men and establishing himself now, could step in quickly to the NHL and not have to go through rookie pro jitters. You've got Hajek with pro experience, Rykov, Reuenenen...all of these guys aren't 20 year fresh out of CHL guys needing to learn the ropes of playing a pro game against men, they'll be pro experienced players who might need some adjustment but who can make an impact in their first year

2 years from now a guy like Trouba, Skjei, etc, still easily in their prime for a defenseman with these new skilled guys stepping in and making immediate impacts, things change really quickly. They might not be in their primes yet but as I said, I think Gorton picked these kind of guys partly because of this reason...they'll step right in, they won't be developing for years in the AHL and feeling their way through years in the NHL.

Still a ways to go but you see how a building block like Trouba sets the stage for the other prospects to join and provide the boost that's needed in a few years.

And at that time Kakko, Kravtsov, etc will be more seasoned and ready to be the bigtime contributors we hope they can be, more players in the pipeline...

I don't think the Rangers are trying to take shortcuts here, they'll keep holding onto picks and trying to maximize what they can (no buying at the deadline, maybe even selling some guys) but they always said they were going to try to do this with a combination of picks and young players ready to contribute.