Confirmed with Link: NYR acquire Adam McQuaid from Bruins for Kampfer, and 4th round pick

[DanielBrassard]

Smith is better than everyone on that list except Skjei. He should be guaranteed a spot unless he's just horrendously out of shape in the pre-season.

 

[NYR Viper]

Well, it should show up in wins, no? Or with a guy like McLeod in the lineup, the team should be perform better. Otherwise, what's the point?

I don't deny that it might have a psychological impact on players. They play "two inches taller" with Glass in the lineup, but the team also suffers for the 10 minutes he plays.

I don't think McQuaid is Glass though. I agree McLeod and Glass and Brashear and others were useless in today's NHL with the instigator (shitty) rule. The difficult part is finding a guy who can lead by example and provide that impact while not hurting you. I just happen to think that this years team won't be hindered b having McQuaid play 16 minutes a night on the 3rd pairing and provide those things.

Now if they brought in Stu Bickel, I would be upset.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Staal shouldn’t be assured of anything but for tanking purposes he and McQuaid should be a thing

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

I'm sure this has been said but if McQuaid has a good season he will next something similar to Holden at the deadline.

Guy will work his tail off and protect the young players on the team.

Nothing wrong with this move.

 

[Levitate]

man you know what

I don't know if guys who play nasty and push the opposing team around really impact the game when you look at the fancy stats (let's assume we're comparing them against a similar player who doesn't have that edge) but this is about entertainment and it's a f*** load more entertaining to watch your team be the ones pushing people around, all else being equal

e: the qualifier here being that I wouldn't intentionally build a team of shitty physical players with the thought "this will be what wins us games" as the Islanders seem to be doing

 

[silverfish]

I don't think McQuaid is Glass though. I agree McLeod and Glass and Brashear and others were useless in today's NHL with the instigator (****ty) rule. The difficult part is finding a guy who can lead by example and provide that impact while not hurting you. I just happen to think that this years team won't be hindered b having McQuaid play 16 minutes a night on the 3rd pairing and provide those things.

Now if they brought in Stu Bickel, I would be upset.

McQuaid was very bad last year, though, which is why this move is compounded in my head as a bad one.

man you know what

I don't know if guys who play nasty and push the opposing team around really impact the game when you look at the fancy stats (let's assume we're comparing them against a similar player who doesn't have that edge) but this is about entertainment and it's a **** load more entertaining to watch your team be the ones pushing people around, all else being equal

I don't know. I'd rather win

 

[eco's bones]

Holden is Bobby Orr compared to this guy.

Really?

You know Boston gave us a 3rd and O'Gara but only played Holden two playoff games. They played McQuaid in all 12. And do you remember how well Holden played for us in the 2017 playoffs?

The reason Boston does this is to open up their roster a little and get a bit of cap space. Kampfer's not a big deal, neither is the 4th really or at least it isn't right now and the 7th even less so.

If McQuaid can stay healthy we should recoup those assets at the trade deadline for him if we move him. Teams do look for defensive depth--they look for big guys with grit. McQuaid has won a Cup--that is something that teams look at too.

 

[Levitate]

I don't know. I'd rather win

Sure but my ideal team is a team that wins AND beats the crap out of other teams but that's probably a pipe dream

I don't expect this team to win this year, and I am a little worried about them being pushed around the ice a lot. With that in mind, I don't have an issue with McQuaid as long as it ultimately doesn't impact the development of other players.

I know that is the sticking point in the whole "argument" here though and the only thing to do is wait and see how it shakes out.

 

[True Blue]

Detterence is a myth.

However, what happened in Nashville last year was not at all a myth.

 

[haveandare]

Eh, he's not a great player but he's a leader and a tough player who will likely not be here past next year if even all of next year. Price is low. I can live with it.

 

[eco's bones]

Really? I’d say Holden is better given that he’s shown he can be a reliable 2nd pairing guy that can play both sides. I guess the perceived value of McQuaid comes with the toughness factor, which we’ve seen teams overpay for at the deadline multiple times. If we get more than a 4th for him, I’ll be ecstatic. However, I don’t see it as likely for the time being.

I do like the toughness aspect of it. I ****ing hate Cody McLeod. McQuaid has stuffed that ****ing goon Wilson before too:

His fight with Matt Martin was maybe the best fight of 2016-17--it went on for quite a while and ended with Martin getting knocked down and then going off to the dressing room bleeding pretty good.

 

[haohmaru]

Remember when we picked up McLeod and played him in that Nashville game and no one on the Rangers got cheapshotted because he was there?

Same.

I wouldn’t characterize McCleod as a deterrent. Even if he was supposed to be, he was playing for the wrong coach.

 

[haohmaru]

Um, yes.

They did a study on it. Incidents actually went up with a fighter in the lineup, not down.

Define “incidents”

 

[AlternateSideParking]

Several playoff contending teams have multiple 3rds -- Philly, Colorado, Vegas has three. Oilers have three as well and are desperate to get back in.

That 4th likely will be a high fourth, so one season of McQuaid then flipping him at the deadline for equal or greater value is a nice return for that scrub Kampfer and a 4th.

If the ice is going to be tilted, might as well have someone keep the crease somewhat clear. Or at least stay there and not wander.

 

[BobMarleyNYR]

The Rangers got pushed around a lot last year. This year if we're playing more kids we can't afford that.

Also why McLeod is back...

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

JG stated this summer he wanted to add some veteran leadership and character to the lineup to mentor a younger team.

No one should be surprised or upset by this unless you think this team is competing this year.

 

[Machinehead]

Really?

You know Boston gave us a 3rd and O'Gara but only played Holden two playoff games. They played McQuaid in all 12. And do you remember how well Holden played for us in the 2017 playoffs?

The reason Boston does this is to open up their roster a little and get a bit of cap space. Kampfer's not a big deal, neither is the 4th really or at least it isn't right now and the 7th even less so.

If McQuaid can stay healthy we should recoup those assets at the trade deadline for him if we move him. Teams do look for defensive depth--they look for big guys with grit. McQuaid has won a Cup--that is something that teams look at too.

Games played is the worst possible way to evaluate a player.

"He exists" is the best thing you can say about him.

 

[Machinehead]

Define “incidents”

Certain infractions (such as elbowing) resulting in penalties called.

 

[Machinehead]

JG stated this summer he wanted to add some veteran leadership and character to the lineup to mentor a younger team.

No one should be surprised or upset by this unless you think this team is competing this year.

This team signed Tanner Glass after a Finals run.

How many times does this have to happen before we acknowledge that this team values this type of player?

 

[kovazub94]

Didn't we have some discussions over the summer how the Rangers were short of a PK RD for the upcoming season?

 

[eco's bones]

A BCBS HOT TAKE Blog: The New York Rangers Land Boston Bruins Defenseman, Adam McQuaid, for Steven Kampfer & Draft Picks

It's a good read. I kind of look at the 4th as something we can get back easily enough--maybe even something higher---that is if McQuaid is healthy at the deadline. With Tom Wilson in Washington and Matt Martin back on the island we'll have someone to bash them around in lieu of letting them run around wild every time we play those teams.

 

[Machinehead]

Didn't we have some discussions over the summer how the Rangers were short of a PK RD for the upcoming season?

Yes, but I hate this idea that you're good at PKing if you're slow and talentless.

 

[Machinehead]

Even if this is just a rebuild move, what's the f***ing point? What does a no-talent thug have to offer in terms of mentorship? I'll pass on any garbage "play da right way" habits McQuaid offers our kids.

The idea that meatshields are mentors is why this is the worst-coached league in pro sports.

 

[kovazub94]

Yes, but I hate this idea that you're good at PKing if you're slow and talentless.

I will let "talentless" pass but otherwise, maybe you should unhate it? I assume you consider Shattenkirk and ADA talented. But these guys are not good PKers. For the price of one Kamfer and a 4th round pick - what do you expect to receive?

 

[eco's bones]

Games played is the worst possible way to evaluate a player.

"He exists" is the best thing you can say about him.

Everything you don't like always turns into 'the worst' with you. What gives with that?

So on the issue of games played--is it the games that Holden played for us in the '17 playoffs? or the ones he didn't play for Boston in '18? He was so bad in '17--maybe the worst playoffs by a Rangers defenseman that I've seen since Ozolinsh.

What---are we trying to win games? make the playoffs? or are we going for Jack Hughes? I know there's a lot of people here that somehow/someway want to accomplish all of those three.