Speculation: Nylander XXI - all Nylander discussion here (MOD WARNING IN OP)

[Agalloch]

Nylander for Simmonds and Sanheim?

 

[57special]

Pasternak is not a comp for Nylander. He scores way more points, way more goals, and is currently leading the league in goals( or close enough) while Nylander sits at home playing Xbox.

 

[HoweHullOrr]

Toronto entertains NO deal with CAR with Pesce as the piece coming back. Not even close value for Willy Nylander.

If CAR wants Nylander that bad, the price is Slavin straight up. Don't like it, too bad...you are not getting Nylander for anything less. If you want a young 22 yo stud, you are going to pay.

OK Kyle. Thanks for the info LOL.

 

[Weezeric]

This is an interesting debate = how easy or hard is it to have a dynasty (see *) in the Cap era?

You can keep the core together and wins Cups such as Pittsburgh and Chicago have. But for how long?

* Re: Dynasty - For reference, Montreal won 5 Cups in the 1950s, 5 in the 1960s, and 6 in the 1970s.

How hard is it to keep replacing good players with ELCs? Replacing such players becomes necessary because while these players are good & make contributions, they are identified as non-core. How often can you select at 31st, or for that matter, just at the bottom of the draft and still have ELCs making significant contributions?

And, how long will it take before your stud core will get old and before you see a decline in their skills and/or dominance?

Will there be any dynasties of old like the Islanders, Oilers or Montreal?

And, this news (below) was interesting. What could be the impact of this?

Lebrun "But what I think is new is that our understanding is the Marner camp is looking at the idea of the merits of a four- or five-year deal when it’s time to negotiate as opposed to a maximum or longer term deal. And that is obviously quite interesting. It’s probably not what the Leafs want, that’s for sure. Especially, a four-year deal because that would walk Marner right into ufa (unrestricted free agency)."

A similar contract to Pat Kane would put Marner at 9.1M on a five year deal with an 82M cap.

 

[Beauner]

I think one of Philly's young Dmen (Provorov/Sanheim/Hagg) would be a good basis for a trade. I can honestly see a 1-for-1 swap with one of those guys for Nylander

 

[The don godfather]

Why do I have the feeling of a sign trade deal done to Carolina for pesce.

 

[Finnish your Czech]

Why do I have the feeling of a sign trade deal done to Carolina for pesce.

You have that feeling because it's been speculated ad nauseum for the past 2 months.

 

[Puckstuff]

So the deadline is tomorrow at 5 pm?

The unique variable that no one seems to be talking about is that the entire hockey and media world in Toronto has criticized, ridiculed and belittled him to some extent, every other night for several months.

If he watch's TSN/sportsnet/social media at all he would listen to various members of the media and community claim he's not worth X, he's a brat, entitled, and much worse (especially on here)

Now do I think Nylander is scrolling through trolls on hfboards? No. Do I think he's aware of the just/unjustified claims against him warranted or not warranted? Yes, in this ever connected world i'm sure he's quite aware what people are saying about him.

It's his attitude, demeanour, ego and mental toughness that is going to decide how this goes. I wouldn't blame him for wanting to leave, honestly. I just hope he's as isolated as possible and away from it all.

 

[Auston Marlander]

I think one of Philly's young Dmen (Provorov/Sanheim/Hagg) would be a good basis for a trade. I can honestly see a 1-for-1 swap with one of those guys for Nylander

Provorov or Sanheim I am 100% behind.

 

[Danko]

I think one of Philly's young Dmen (Provorov/Sanheim/Hagg) would be a good basis for a trade. I can honestly see a 1-for-1 swap with one of those guys for Nylander

Where do we sign up?

 

[Taluss]

Why do I have the feeling of a sign trade deal done to Carolina for pesce.

I’m seeing that if there is a trade

 

[Drew311]

Provorov or Sanheim I am 100% behind.

There's no chance in hell they would deal Provorov.

 

[HoweHullOrr]

A similar contract to Pat Kane would put Marner at 9.1M on a five year deal with an 82M cap.

OK interesting. I haven't done the Marner math. Any ideas or feedback on the question?

 

[Pi]

There's no chance in hell they would deal Provorov.

Who knows what Holmgren would do? Provorov hasn’t been that good this season.

 

[nturn06]

That's certainly a nice attempted spin on your part. What matters is what he gets paid. In the real world cash in hand today is ALWAYS worth more than cash in hand tomorrow. If you have any clue how money works, you take every cent you can UP FRONT. Why? Because money grows and the more time I have to grow it, the bigger it becomes (unless you are stupid about how you do it)

Oh and he will easily recover the $2 M in the KHL? Where the top salary is $4.5 M and the 10th salary is $1.5 M and only 7 guys (all Russian) make $2 M or more and that pesky little bit about less than half the season (roughly 25 games) being left?

By this argument he should take the league min over nothing...

Your statement is true if we talk about similar amounts, but for a rich kid 15 mils in hand tomorrow is definitely worth more than 10 mils in hand today...

As for the last comment, about taking cash upfront, it is completely irrelevant to the discussion.... Again, I never said that this is how they will write the contract, I only evaluated the actual value of each year.... If the average of six numbers is 6.67, it doesn't mean that each number is equal to 6.67...

 

[cheswick]

Is there any way he is not signed to at least a one year deal? He would get arb rights next off-season wouldn't he?

 

[powerstuck]

What do you mean by this? No value in a trade now?! No value in a trade next year? It's so late in the process now that other teams must be low balling Dubas, but trading him after he sits is much different. A team that desperately needs young talent will pay up. How many coaches and GMs have been fired this season? Someone will pay.

I disagree.

Nylander doesn't have a contract. Until he does have contract, any contract...all trades will be impossible. For him to be traded today or at TDL or July 1st...he needs to either be signed by Leafs or accept to sign a contract with the Leafs trade partner.

No one is going to pay a valuable asset for a player who is refusing to sign a contract. All teams may be desperate to sign a young talent but if said young talent doesn't wanna sign with that team, or doesn't wanna sign under 8M a year with that team and the team doesn't wanna give him...there is no crazy GM enough to pay the Leafs to take a ''problem'' of their hands.

What does Pastrnak have to do with anything, considering he's currently underpaid by 2-3 million/year.

He's outperformed his contract, his value is no longer 6.7

Well it suits the TML argument that Nylander should be paid 6M a year and not a dime more.

 

[Commander Clueless]

Pasternak is not a comp for Nylander. He scores way more points, way more goals, and is currently leading the league in goals( or close enough) while Nylander sits at home playing Xbox.

He's also getting ripped off in terms of market value.

 

[Dekes For Days]

You can keep the core together and wins Cups such as Pittsburgh and Chicago have. But for how long?

Chicago kept their core together and were competitive for 9 years, with their downfall coming from the decline of their 33, 35, and 39 year old core players.
Pittsburgh kept their core together and were competitive for 12 years and counting.
Both won 3 cups.

Leafs are set up to be a strong contender for many years, if not more than a decade. The idea that this is their only shot and they need to sacrifice what's best long-term to go all-in now is ridiculous and incorrect.

 

[Drew311]

Who knows what Holmgren would do? Provorov hasn’t been that good this season.

I know Holmgren is an idiot, but if he's thinking about trading his 1D because he hasn't put up enough points in the first 25 games of the season then it's time to put him in a white padded room.

 

[powerstuck]

Is there any way he is not signed to at least a one year deal? He would get arb rights next off-season wouldn't he?

I suppose it's something Leafs would want to avoid, I guess. One year deal makes you okay for this year but next summer you add Matthews and Marner into equation.

And yes, Nylander playing 10 games this year gives him arbitration rights, which again means Leafs only get into more complicated negotiations. Him sitting out doesn't give him arbitration rights, which I guess makes an even ground for all 3 RFA's.

 

[justafan22]

Gostisbehere is the opposite of what the leafs need and Provorov isn't being moved.

So Sanheim + ?

 

[Fogelhund]

Noon today is waivers... chances are, Toronto will need to make a waiver move today, if they plan on sticking someone on the roster tomorrow. Unless they move one of their four waiver exempt players... Kap, Johnsson, Dermott or Oz... but I doubt moving of them down is the choice they'd prefer... so watch waivers at noon today.

 

[cheswick]

I suppose it's something Leafs would want to avoid, I guess. One year deal makes you okay for this year but next summer you add Matthews and Marner into equation.

And yes, Nylander playing 10 games this year gives him arbitration rights, which again means Leafs only get into more complicated negotiations. Him sitting out doesn't give him arbitration rights, which I guess makes an even ground for all 3 RFA's.

Yeah I get they'd want to avoid that, but to me it seems like they would rather have him on a one year deal than not at all. Same from his perspective.

 

[NiL8r87]

There's no chance in hell they would deal Provorov.

You're ignoring the fact that Dubas is negotiating with Holmgren.