Speculation: Nylander XXI - all Nylander discussion here (MOD WARNING IN OP)

[Empoleon8771]

If so then Dubas is stupid. Losing a free asset for your Cup run before all the big contracts kick in.

I wouldn't say that, it depends on what Nylander was demanding. You can't force a guy to sign a contract, and I think the Leafs would be in a really bad spot if they would have given Nylander a huge money, 1 year deal.

 

[hullsy47]

I wouldn't say that, it depends on what Nylander was demanding. You can't force a guy to sign a contract, and I think the Leafs would be in a really bad spot if they would have given Nylander a huge money, 1 year deal.

he's worth larkin's money

 

[ottomaddox]

If so then Dubas is stupid. Losing a free asset for your Cup run before all the big contracts kick in.

Stupid? That has nothing to do with stupid? Nylander is holding firm and so is Dubas. There is always risk, and right now it is coming to fruition.

 

[Agalloch]

I wouldn't say that, it depends on what Nylander was demanding. You can't force a guy to sign a contract, and I think the Leafs would be in a really bad spot if they would have given Nylander a huge money, 1 year deal.

If he's unreasonable, trade him for players that are ready today. This is the year for Toronto to go for a real Cup run.

Stupid? That has nothing to do with stupid? Nylander is holding firm and so is Dubas. There is always risk, and right now it is coming to fruition.

Ok then. Lose a 60 pts a year without replacing him. Good job Dubas.

 

[Auston Marlander]

If so then Dubas is stupid. Losing a free asset for your Cup run before all the big contracts kick in.

Not really, over paying is dumb, trading for less value is dumb. Standing your ground sucjs, but may be the best solution if those are the only options.


I would prefer he signs and pushes us over the top, but not at a long term detriment to the team.

 

[Toews2Bickell]

The problem for the Leafs letting Nylander sit for a year is his demands won’t change and they still won’t have the long term cap space to commit after the season is over. They will have no leverage to get full value and the only thing that letting him sit does is diminish it further. They should cut their losses and trade him. They chose Tavares instead.

 

[spockBokk]

If so then Dubas is stupid. Losing a free asset for your Cup run before all the big contracts kick in.

This x's 100.

If Nylander will not sign with the Leafs and he's not traded by 12/1, it's a huge fail for TOR mgmt, IMHO. I get that you may not want to trade him for potentially less value or to be backed in a corner where a trade is the only way out, but seriously, do people actually believe his value goes up if he sits out a year? Get real.

If he sits out an entire year, he'll carry that with him the rest of his career. If you don't think that will affect his value down the road, well, good on ya I guess...

 

[TheMidlifeCrisisGuy]

Are people still trying to push the cap savings angle?

Too many people misinterpreted that CapFriendly chart. We only get noticeable cap benefits it Willy signs a contract with a high salary in the first year without signing bonuses.

Why would his agent agree to that? His job is to maximize Willy's earnings as we've seen with this holdout. Do you just suddenly think he's going to accept his client getting paid 1/3 less of his salary this season?

 

[crazy8888]

Are people still trying to push the cap savings angle?

Too many people misinterpreted that CapFriendly chart. We only get noticeable cap benefits it Willy signs a contract with a high salary in the first year without signing bonuses.

Why would his agent agree to that? His job is to maximize Willy's earnings as we've seen with this holdout. Do you just suddenly think he's going to accept his client getting paid 1/3 less of his salary this season?

Because its better than having him sit out the whole year and not get paid at all.

 

[ottomaddox]

The problem for the Leafs letting Nylander sit for a year is his demands won’t change and they still won’t have the long term cap space to commit after the season is over. They will have no leverage to get full value and the only thing that letting him sit does is diminish it further. They should cut their losses and trade him. They chose Tavares instead.

What do you mean by this? No value in a trade now?! No value in a trade next year? It's so late in the process now that other teams must be low balling Dubas, but trading him after he sits is much different. A team that desperately needs young talent will pay up. How many coaches and GMs have been fired this season? Someone will pay.

 

[haveandare]

yeah yeah yeah, and there are people who didnt even think the leafs would make the playoffs last year.

tavares,matthews,marner,rielly,andersen. as long as those 5 are on the team they will be perennial contenders

Take it from a fan who was just there - perennial contenders without a cup is worth pretty much nothing. Win while things are certain.

 

[Agalloch]

What do you mean by this? No value in a trade now?! No value in a trade next year? It's so late in the process now that other teams must be low balling Dubas, but trading him after he sits is much different. A team that desperately needs young talent will pay up. How many coaches and GMs have been fired this season? Someone will pay.

Dubas would be wise to be all in THIS season.

 

[haveandare]

sign a few dmen? not likely

maybe a guy or 2 comes in on a cheap deal but they are likely looking to rosen,liljegren,borgman to fill a couple spots

also a trade for a dman wouldnt be the craziest idea

assuming hainsey stays cheap

rielly-hainsey
dermott-zaitsev
rosen-ozhiganov

dermott already looks like the leafs 2nd or 3rd best dman most nights. he can mak the jump to replace gardiner

You have a 37 year old on your top pairing. Not really something you can count on. Rielly and Dermott are both very good. Liljegren and Rosen will probably be very good but maybe not right away.

That's 6 d-men for sure but I don't think that's a cup winning d-corps by any stretch of the imagination.

 

[Toews2Bickell]

What do you mean by this? No value in a trade now?! No value in a trade next year? It's so late in the process now that other teams must be low balling Dubas, but trading him after he sits is much different. A team that desperately needs young talent will pay up. How many coaches and GMs have been fired this season? Someone will pay.

I never said no value now. What I said is that teams know the Leafs cannot commit long term at his ask and will bid for his rights accordingly. And their ability to sign Nylander is going down next year with Matthews and Marner due. Plus if he sits out that will be another ding on his value. The Leafs should move him for their best offer at this point. If a team was going to pay what Dubas wanted it would’ve happened already.

 

[ottomaddox]

Are people still trying to push the cap savings angle?

Too many people misinterpreted that CapFriendly chart. We only get noticeable cap benefits it Willy signs a contract with a high salary in the first year without signing bonuses.

Why would his agent agree to that? His job is to maximize Willy's earnings as we've seen with this holdout. Do you just suddenly think he's going to accept his client getting paid 1/3 less of his salary this season?

It's hard to disagree with this but Nylander agent must come to grips with the reality that his client is William Nylander. The same William Nylander who's a winger and not yet proven NHL center. His best offer might only be frommTOR

 

[inthe6ix]

What would that be ?

It's surely not winning the Cup as it is won every year (unless there is a lock-out or a strike).

If you don't think the ultimate end goal isn't something special, this conversation is over; maybe you should get into chess, tennis or ultimate frisbee instead.

 

[razkaz]

The problem for the Leafs letting Nylander sit for a year is his demands won’t change and they still won’t have the long term cap space to commit after the season is over. They will have no leverage to get full value and the only thing that letting him sit does is diminish it further. They should cut their losses and trade him. They chose Tavares instead.

This x's 100.

If Nylander will not sign with the Leafs and he's not traded by 12/1, it's a huge fail for TOR mgmt, IMHO. I get that you may not want to trade him for potentially less value or to be backed in a corner where a trade is the only way out, but seriously, do people actually believe his value goes up if he sits out a year? Get real.

If he sits out an entire year, he'll carry that with him the rest of his career. If you don't think that will affect his value down the road, well, good on ya I guess...

He will have more value at the TDL because of the way his salary would be structured in the first year making it impossible for most teams to fit it under their cap this year.

 

[is the answer jesus]

You missed the point.

That you and John Tavares love Toronto?

I kid. I get your point. There are some people that would take less money to live in Toronto just because they like the city.

 

[Drew311]

Stupid? That has nothing to do with stupid? Nylander is holding firm and so is Dubas. There is always risk, and right now it is coming to fruition.

It will be funny how the narrative will turn if Dubas signs Nylander to a deal with a 7 in it. I've seen a lot of people ripping on Dubas because he won't cave in to Nylander's demands, but if he does the same people will say Dubas overpaid and the Leafs are screwed.

 

[Moosetache]

If he's unreasonable, trade him for players that are ready today. This is the year for Toronto to go for a real Cup run.

The issue with this is that another team isn't going to trade for him without figuring out what he's looking for. If they all deem its unreasonable as well, then you really have nothing you can do.

 

[inthe6ix]

If Dubas can't get 1/3 big RFA signed, I'd be concerned at his ability to sign the other 2/3 this coming offseason.
What is he going to do?

Come on it's not that hard to grasp.. the reason he's having issues signing Willy is because he's thinking (or already planned) about what he's going to have to allocate for Matthews and Marner and can't just bend over and take what Willy and his dad are asking. Willy is #4 on the totem pole over here whether he likes it or not. I am perfectly confident that Kyle will get the other two signed, even if it means it comes at the expense of losing an asset like Willy to fill another positional need.

 

[Pure Slaughter Value]

I’m not even a Leafs fan and I can’t wait to see this over, regardless of how it plays out.

I am going to guess that it’s a bridge contract at a high price (for being a bridge contract).

So it will set a new standard of bridge contracts. Higher aav than most. Will be viewed as a win by most GM’s and Players

 

[ottomaddox]

It will be funny how the narrative will turn if Dubas signs Nylander to a deal with a 7 in it. I've seen a lot of people ripping on Dubas because he won't cave in to Nylander's demands, but if he does the same people will say Dubas overpaid and the Leafs are screwed.

If Dubas signs Nylander with a 7 in it then the Leafs won't be screwed. The leafs signed David Clarkson at 5.25 million. They were screwed with that one, but Nylander long term at 7 can be traded.

 

[TheGroceryStick]

If Dubas signs Nylander with a 7 in it then the Leafs won't be screwed. The leafs signed David Clarkson at 5.25 million. They were screwed with that one, but Nylander long term at 7 can be traded.

6.7m seems right

 

[Moosetache]

There is no way Nylander signs with a 6 in it.....unless its 7.6. As a Canes fan, I'd be fine paying him 7-7.5. Clearly hes asking for more than that IMO.