Speculation: Nylander XXI - all Nylander discussion here (MOD WARNING IN OP)

[Tripod]

He can negotiate however he wants. His value won't go up. He remains under control. He'll already have lost $6 - $7 M. Does he want to lose another $6 to $7 M? Up to him. Reality is he will never earn that plus the money he loses in what that cash generates back.

As of today, he has lost nothing that can't be re-gained.

 

[34]

So is trading Nylander for scraps. If Anaheim can’t part with either then there isn’t a deal imo.

Willy won't be traded. He is going to sign.

 

[TheDoldrums]

No team is going to break up their top pair to acquire a 60 point winger. That is just lunacy.

I remember when people kept calling Marner a 60 point winger this past summer.

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

Don't have to believe. here's the fact.Leafs the 6th worst team for Shots against. Ya great defense.

Another fact: they give up less shots against than the Bruins playoff team that was considered a defensive juggernaut.

 

[lebdafor norris]

Prove that.

The Capitals were 3rd last in the league in high danger shots against (HDCA/60) when they won the cup the last year, so winning the cup is still a possibility even with "below average defence."

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

As of today, he has lost nothing that can't be re-gained.

We're talking about if he sits out, not today.

 

[ManwithNoIdentity]

Clocks a ticken'!

 

[Liferleafer]

Clocks a ticken'!

Yup...tomorrow is the day!

 

[Halla]

I remember when people kept calling Marner a 60 point winger this past summer.

yup haha.

Nylander would have 30pts and be on pace for close to 90 if he played this year

kid had 49ES pts last year. Kessel finished with 92 pts, 50 at ES. shows what a guy can do on a lethal PP or how not being on the first unit affects production

 

[ManwithNoIdentity]

How is this going to affect RFA signings in the future? Gotta think that some will try doing this up until a point if they feel they aren't getting what they're worth

 

[Halla]

This is the last year of their ELCs. Next year the Leafs will have to pay them both huge raises and sign a few d-men. The time to win is now. They're all on fire. They have everyone under the cap to make just ridiculous depth on offense.

I'm sure people think they'll just re-sign everyone and the roster will never take a step back, but that's not guaranteed at all. They have everyone now. They're playing great now. The time to win is now. Letting a huge asset sit out and do nothing for the rest of this year is a huge, huge mistake.

sign a few dmen? not likely

maybe a guy or 2 comes in on a cheap deal but they are likely looking to rosen,liljegren,borgman to fill a couple spots

also a trade for a dman wouldnt be the craziest idea

assuming hainsey stays cheap

rielly-hainsey
dermott-zaitsev
rosen-ozhiganov

dermott already looks like the leafs 2nd or 3rd best dman most nights. he can mak the jump to replace gardiner

 

[Halla]

They're going to be elite for years to come just like it wouldn't be any problem to sign Nylander. You think that, and it's a reasonable thought but it's a thought and a prediction until it is or isn't reality.

yeah yeah yeah, and there are people who didnt even think the leafs would make the playoffs last year.

tavares,matthews,marner,rielly,andersen. as long as those 5 are on the team they will be perennial contenders

 

[Ziggdiezan]

yup haha.

Nylander would have 30pts and be on pace for close to 90 if he played this year

kid had 49ES pts last year. Kessel finished with 92 pts, 50 at ES. shows what a guy can do on a lethal PP or how not being on the first unit affects production

As to the 30 points it depends on if Matthews got injured or if Kadri + Nylander meshed but I tend to agree with this statement.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

The Leafs are in a much stronger position than Nylander.
Currently tied for first in the League, even though they were missing their best player for almost have the season.
They are third in the League in goals against average and third in the League in goals for average.
They are doing fine without him.

Nylander stands to lose a year's salary (minus whatever he can arrange for himself in another, lesser, League while risking his health with no long-term contract signed).
He is a valuable asset who isn't going to be traded away for pennies on the dollar just because of the December 1st deadline, even though a lot of Leafs haters have their fingers crossed.
That would be terrible asset management for a team looking to be competitive every year going forward.

It's pretty easy to see who has the most to lose by sitting out which is why I fully expect a signed contract paying Nylander no more than an average of $7 million a season over the next 6-8 years, which would be a fair deal based on his closest comparables.
Barring that a 3 year bridge deal for under $6 million on average.

You are rationalizing like a Leafs fan. No good GM is going to overpay for a hold out winger that is likely overpricing himself. It's the Leafs that have to sign him, or trade him. If Nylander overprices himself, the Leafs will be in a position of weakness. Carolina don't have to do one thing but sit back and watcb. If you ask me, if I were Carolina I would rather keep Pesce at 4.025 x 6 than pay for the headache of negotiating with Nylander or even worse pay him 8M per. This is the reality of the situation.

 

[Liferleafer]

You are rationalizing like a Leafs fan. No good GM is going to overpay for a hold out winger that is likely overpricing himself. It's the Leafs that have to sign him, or trade him. If Nylander overprices himself, the Leafs will be in a position of weakness. Carolina don't have to do one thing but sit back and watcb. If you ask me, if I were Carolina I would rather keep Pesce at 4.025 x 6 than pay for the headache of negotiating with Nylander or even worse pay him 8M per. This is the reality of the situation.

Lol...it's already been reported he's dropped from 8 million...also reported that Carolina has nade multiple calls...so the only reality hrre is your twisted...full on worst case for the Leafs reality.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

Lol...it's already been reported he's dropped from 8 million...also reported that Carolina has nade multiple calls...so the only reality hrre is your twisted...full on worst case for the Leafs reality.

Now all of a sudden you believe reports? All we know for sure, is Nylander is hours away from not playing in the NHL this year. So one of 2 things is happening. Either Leafs have lowballed him or he has overpriced himself.

 

[Morbo]

You are rationalizing like a Leafs fan. No good GM is going to overpay for a hold out winger that is likely overpricing himself. It's the Leafs that have to sign him, or trade him. If Nylander overprices himself, the Leafs will be in a position of weakness. Carolina don't have to do one thing but sit back and watcb. If you ask me, if I were Carolina I would rather keep Pesce at 4.025 x 6 than pay for the headache of negotiating with Nylander or even worse pay him 8M per. This is the reality of the situation.

Your hopes and dreams have no effect on reality.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

Your hopes and dreams have no effect on reality.

I will admit it has been fun, watching Nylander taking Dubas to the limit. But hopes and dreams? Really other than this being entertaining, I have none here. I don't care if Nylander sits out a year, gets traded, or is signed by Dec 1.

 

[34]

Your hopes and dreams have no effect on reality.

The more they talk about Nylander and say he should be traded for table scraps...they think Dubas is reading this and it lowers his value. Very funny really.

 

[Liferleafer]

Now all of a sudden you believe reports? All we know for sure, is Nylander is hours away from not playing in the NHL this year. So one of 2 things is happening. Either Leafs have lowballed him or he has overpriced himself.

Or he signs tomorrow and the Leafs fain some weird xap relief.

 

[nihlify]

We're talking about if he sits out, not today.

So he'll get nothing for when he plays the remaining season in Russia?

 

[Liferleafer]

I will admit it has been fun, watching Nylander taking Dubas to the limit. But hopes and dreams? Really other than this being entertaining, I have none here. I don't care if Nylander sits out a year, gets traded, or is signed by Dec 1.

It's been more fun watching the Leafs go 18-8....but whatever floats your boat i guess.

 

[OvermanKingGainer]

Sorry if this has been answered before in this megathread but:

Is Nylander losing money for every day he misses? Or will the Leafs just be able to dump all his 2018-19 salary into a signing bonus?

 

[Liferleafer]

Sorry if this has been answered before in this megathread but:

Is Nylander losing money for every day he misses? Or will the Leafs just be able to dump all his 2018-19 salary into a signing bonus?

Could go both ways. If they load up a bonus, i think they lose the cap lowering after year 2.

 

[hamzarocks]

Sorry if this has been answered before in this megathread but:

Is Nylander losing money for every day he misses? Or will the Leafs just be able to dump all his 2018-19 salary into a signing bonus?

Leafs could give him the signing bonus to make up for the cash lost and we would not get any discount then on cap for years 2-6 im pretty sure. But if we did that then I hope the cap hit would be lower if we did give the siging bonus as the leafs would not get any cap reduction in years 2-6. Not a lot lowrr something like 7 without bonus and 6.6 with bonuses on a 6 year deal.