Speculation: Nylander XXI - all Nylander discussion here (MOD WARNING IN OP)

[MagicalRazor]

SOOO happy this is almost roughly 40 hours to Can't wait to either hear if he signs , or sits

 

[Nylanderthal]

The taxes in Florida are less, than it is in Canada.

Endorsement opportunities and quality of life (aside from weather) are better in Ontario than Florida.
Edit: also very sure that professional athletes don’t pay taxes like us plebs do. First off they would incorporate themselves and secondly I’m sure they have a tax lawyer who know all the ways of hacking down that taxable income so they pay less.

 

[viper0220]

Endorsement opportunities and quality of life (aside from weather) are better in Ontario than Florida

I don't think there is much of a difference in quality of life between Ontario and Florida (especially when you are a millionaire), I think if you do the math, with everything taken into consideration, you are making more if you play on Flordia.

 

[nturn06]

You assume that I would offer the Pasternak deal next year.

All I did was compared a six year deal this year versus a six year deal next year.. should I make it five next year? seven years next year? Both options have a higher average cap hit than the six years deal this year BTW.

Or should we compare a bridge deal next year versus a bridge this year? again, same issue....Which is the point I was making and you didn't believe...

 

[Hischier and Hughes]

'RFA'

Welp, this is a clear sign those days are dead

RFAs will start being paid and Nylander is a stepping stone to that

 

[Leaf Fans]

All I did was compared a six year deal this year versus a six year deal next year.. should I make it five next year? seven years next year? Both options have a higher average cap hit than the six years deal this year BTW.

Or should we compare a bridge deal next year versus a bridge this year? again, same issue....Which is the point I was making and you didn't believe...

No, if Nylander chooses to sit, in my opinion, there is a reset. The Leafs sign Matthews and Marner first and deal with Nylander under the existing circumstances. The clock stops for Nylander (in terms of his NHL career) on December 1 at 5pm; it continues for the organization.

 

[Dustin]

Here is then the difference between him signing the Pasta deal this year vs next year.

Pasta got 40 mils per 6 years. The first three years are worth in your opinion 14.3 mils (Kucherov deal) which means that the last three years are worth 25.7 mils. I will split them equally**

So, based on Pasta/Kucherov's deal here is what Nylander contract should look like if signed this year (first three years are taken directly from Kucherov's deal).

18-19: 4,25
19-20: 4,5
20-21: 5,5
21-22: 8,56
22-23: 8,56
23-24: 8,56
Average salary 6.67.

Now next year, you trade the cheapest years for an UFA year, that leads to a total salary of 44.3/6 years or an average salary of 7.385/year.... Just because of this trade off.

** And I was very Leaf friendly in these calculations. I estimated his last two years as RFA and his UFA year at the same level, but the UFA year is probably worth 1-2 mils more than his last RFA seasons. You take that into account, and add inflation to this, and a 6 years contract next year would cost more than 1 mil on average this year.... Not because Nylander is a SOB, but because an UFA year is worth much more than the cheapest year in his contract.

P.S. For the Leafs fans who keep throwing the 6-7 mils Nylander may have lost, that's not true. The first year in a 6-7 mils average long term deal is not really worth the salary.. The player is always overpaid in the first few years, and if he keeps improving he is underpaid for the remaining....The first year, the one Nylander may lose is worth somewhere around 4 mils, from which he may recover 2 mils from KHL... And he could easily recover the other 2 mils from the salary cap increase/ inflation which happen every year...

Why would the Leafs structure his contract where he gets paid more as the years go on? When you look at other Leafs contracts they take the higher hit first and have it be less and less each year. It would make Nylander a better asset for a trade of course and the Leafs are not concerned with how much they pay in cash to a player. The only thing that matters to the Leafs would be the AAV of the cap which is always set at a constant.

 

[MAHJ71]

SOOO happy this is almost roughly 40 hours to Can't wait to either hear if he signs , or sits

Right?

This is almost as bad as waiting to see what happens with Panarin & CBJ

 

[nturn06]

No, if Nylander chooses to sit, in my opinion, there is a reset. The Leafs sign Matthews and Marner first and deal with Nylander under the existing circumstances. The clock stops for Nylander (in terms of his NHL career) on December 1 at 5pm; it continues for the organization.

You mean that even if he doesn't sign, he will pretend that he still has five years left of RFA eligibility instead of four, and take a paycut because of that? Good luck with that.....

 

[is the answer jesus]

I don't think there is much of a difference in quality of life between Ontario and Florida (especially when you are a millionaire), I think if you do the math, with everything taken into consideration, you are making more if you play on Flordia.

You 100% are. The no state income tax is huge. Endorsements will never make that much money up, no matter how much Leaf fans would like that to be true. As far as quality of life the city of Toronto is great, real nice place to live, but so are Florida's metropolitan areas, and the weather is fantastic 90% of the time. I'd imagine the majority of people given the choice would take living in Florida and making more money.

 

[nturn06]

Why would the Leafs structure his contract where he gets paid more as the years go on? When you look at other Leafs contracts they take the higher hit first and have it be less and less each year. It would make Nylander a better asset for a trade of course and the Leafs are not concerned with how much they pay in cash to a player. The only thing that matters to the Leafs would be the AAV of the cap which is always set at a constant.

You missed the point, is not the way they structure the contract, it is how much they value each year... What they write in the actual contract is irrelevant.

Why do you think that bridge deals are usually a lower average than longer deals? Why do you think players get more money if they have more UFA years? That's because later years are worth more than earlier years.

Again, the point I am trying to make is that if Nylander is sitting out a full year, or if he signs a one year deal, the next deal will carry a higher average salary.... And this is something which, despite what leafs fans say, would be bad for the long term plans of the TML..

 

[Rob Brown]

You 100% are. The no state income tax is huge. Endorsements will never make that much money up, no matter how much Leaf fans would like that to be true. As far as quality of life the city of Toronto is great, real nice place to live, but so are Florida's metropolitan areas, and the weather is fantastic 90% of the time. I'd imagine the majority of people given the choice would take living in Florida and making more money.

Lol...money aside, it's not the same city.

 

[Leaf Fans]

You mean that even if he doesn't sign, he will pretend that he still has five years left of RFA eligibility instead of four, and take a paycut because of that? Good luck with that.....

I doubt he will pretend anything, I don't know why you do. I think as I said already that the circumstances will have changes and, I think he will go to the back of the line and he will have to work with whatever is left on the cap.

 

[nturn06]

I doubt he will pretend anything, I don't know why you do. I think as I said already that the circumstances will have changes and, I think he will go to the back of the line and he will have to work with whatever is left on the cap.

Since you guys think this all issue is just because of Nylander greed, as yourself a simple question: do you think he would ask for more or less money if he his contract would contain one more year of UFA and one less of RFA?
Afterall you guys think he is a greedy guy....

 

[Leaf Fans]

Since you guys think this all issue is just because of Nylander greed, as yourself a simple question: do you think he would ask for more or less money if he his contract would contain one more year of UFA and one less of RFA?
Afterall you guys think he is a greedy guy....

Who thinks it is all about Nylanders greed? ( you can't just make stuff up)As for me I think it is all about fitting in their top players. He is asking now for a lot of money if the reports are to be believed ( neither side has spoken to the media). I think he has to sign a contract that fits the long term plans of the Leafs. And they are changing with the explosive start of Marner this year.

 

[Flyers Faithful]

Lol...money aside, it's not the same city.

I would 100% rather live in Tampa than Toronto. So would Steven Stamkos.

 

[Rob Brown]

I would 100% rather live in Tampa than Toronto. So would Steven Stamkos.

I would 100% rather live in Toronto than Tampa. So would John Tavares.

 

[is the answer jesus]

Lol...money aside, it's not the same city.

Agreed. Some would prefer Toronto and others Tampa Bay. Like I said, it would be a rather easy choice for me given the extra money, less media scrutiny and beautiful weather, but to each his own. As for Marner I do think the prospect of him getting 11 million is a little far-fetched. I think he gets around 9.5 a year if it's a max term deal. I don't see him and his agent wanting a bridge deal.

 

[Flyers Faithful]

I would 100% rather live in Toronto than Tampa. So would John Tavares.

Obviously, his Toronto maple leaf bed sheets would’ve been too warm for his bed in Tampa.

 

[Rob Brown]

Obviously, his Toronto maple leaf bed sheets would’ve been too warm for his bed in Tampa.

Hey, at least he knows where he came from.

 

[Leaf Fans]

I would 100% rather live in Tampa than Toronto. So would Steven Stamkos.

I wouldn't and neither would Tavares.

 

[sessiroth]

I would 100% rather live in Tampa than Toronto. So would Steven Stamkos.

Nobody wants to live in Florida except for old people and alligators.

 

[is the answer jesus]

I would 100% rather live in Toronto than Tampa. So would John Tavares.

And Stamkos decided he'd rather live in Tampa even with his ties to the area.

 

[Dustin]

You missed the point, is not the way they structure the contract, it is how much they value each year... What they write in the actual contract is irrelevant.

Why do you think that bridge deals are usually a lower average than longer deals? Why do you think players get more money if they have more UFA years? That's because later years are worth more than earlier years.

Again, the point I am trying to make is that if Nylander is sitting out a full year, or if he signs a one year deal, the next deal will carry a higher average salary.... And this is something which, despite what leafs fans say, would be bad for the long term plans of the TML..

I disagree. If Nylander does not play in the NHL for a full year it will not only decrease his value for a trade but would also decrease his ask amount per year. The Leafs and likely no team are going to pay Nylander the same amount this year that they would a year later after he hasn't been in the league for a year. Nylander can ask for whatever he wants after he has sat out but the fact is the Leafs offer would be substantially lower next year. And that does not include things like having a bad year in whatever league he ends up playing in or even worse getting injured.

If he signs a one year the only difference next year is he would be eligible for arbitration. There's no guarantee that arbitration pays Nylander what he wants.

Finally RFA years have different value than UFA years because of the control the team had over the player. I understand that Nylander loses a year of NHL experience but the Leafs do as well since it's doubtful they will add more UFA years if it's going to cost them more. So this year they would offer an 8 year deal. Next year a 7 year deal. Not great but certainly still better than overpaying him or trading for lesser pieces.

 

[Leaf Fans]

And Stamkos decided he'd rather live in Tampa even with his ties to the area.

He is his own man. my brother lives in Tampa, but I don't envy him. Millions of people love the Tampa area- its beautiful. It is just I am not one of them.