Speculation: Nylander XI - All rumors, proposals, discussion, etc. HERE

[HockeyGuruPitka]

Well I heard Bob McKenzie interviewed on tsn radio Toronto and he said as of now the leafs are still telling teams they are not trading him but also that 12-15 teams are interested if Nylander is traded. That sounds like a bidding war would start if they move him and leafs haters won't like the return Toronto would get if he's moved. His value is so much more then HF boards would lead you to believe

This to me sounds like an ideal opportunity to trade him. If there are so many interested, the likelyhood of getting an over-payment seems high. We are technically dealing from a position of strength. If there is a team out there that is desperate to add skill and overpay, you would have to listen. For me the thought process of the future of this team needs to begin now. Cost controlled players are going to be a need for us over the next 10 years.

 

[Colt55]

so dragonballz guy said nylander would have signed a bridge by last week. So my next thought is will this get done before december 1st?

 

[garyturner3]

Rielly, Nylander

For

Slavin, Pesce

Who adds?

No point even discussing any trade involving Rielly. IMO he's more untouchable on the Leafs than anyone outside of Matthews. Carolina has zero interest in moving Slavin either.

 

[DownGoesMcDavid]

Naylander is wiping Dubas all over the floor.

 

[GoLeafsGo96]

Naylander is wiping Dubas all over the floor.

Yeah look at all the money Nylander is making!

 

[New Liskeard]

Naylander is wiping Dubas all over the floor.

Yup, Nylander sure got one hell of a nice contract.

 

[Nucker42]

Nylander trade is certainly possible. He’s an excellent player but not a franchise player like Matthews or Pettersson.

Leafs also seems dynamite without him, not to mention the potential cap issues with all the stars.

Wouldn’t be surprised one bit of Dubai’s flips Nylander for a top d man or an elite prospect.

 

[DownGoesMcDavid]

Yeah look at all the money Nylander is making!

He will make back whatever he has lost x10 based on bonuses and getting higher salary than what Dubas was initially offerring.

I just love it that Nylander isnt being controlled by the idea of "losing" money on the daily.

Also love it even more that Nylander doesnt give 2 cents if Shanahan thinks players should take discounts to win. Nylander is killing management

 

[wintersej]

There are dozens of comparable that put the value around 6-6.75 on a long term deal.

Nylander is just hitching his value to a bad contract signed by a bad GM. Don't see how it is the market rate

The projected gambling revenue is gonna screw up those compatibles even more.

 

[DownGoesMcDavid]

Nylander trade is certainly possible. He’s an excellent player but not a franchise player like Matthews or Pettersson.

Leafs also seems dynamite without him, not to mention the potential cap issues with all the stars.

Wouldn’t be surprised one bit of Dubai’s flips Nylander for a top d man or an elite prospect.

Leafs would have to add BIG time !

How often do Elite prospects or Top Dmen get traded for wingers?

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

He will make back whatever he has lost x10 based on bonuses and getting higher salary than what Dubas was initially offerring.

I just love it that Nylander isnt being controlled by the idea of "losing" money on the daily.

Also love it even more that Nylander doesnt give 2 cents if Shanahan thinks players should take discounts to win. Nylander is killing management

I don't think you understand how signing bonuses work.

 

[wintersej]

Thanks for the updated number comparison. Helps put Nylander's argument into perspective and I don't see how he can argue for the same amount (unless it is arguing against Pastrnak's numbers being inflated by playing with Marchand and Bergeron, but his linemates are also elite so that doesn't hold weight either) let alone more than Pastrnak.

Cheers

Pastrnak had one season with over 27 points when he signed his deal (when he scored 70 with TWO elite line mates. Nylander has two 60 point seasons (with Matthews being hurt a lot) AND has shown ability to play center AND everyone knows the cap is about to EXPLODE with the gambling hockey related revenue.

Pastrnak getting better after he signed his deal has nothing to do with Nylander. A contract equal in cap hit % is the floor. And Nylander has things to point to (center, more years of success, cap about to explode) to ask for more than 7 million.

 

[The Mentalist]

Leafs would have to add BIG time !

How often do Elite prospects or Top Dmen get traded for wingers?

Tampa traded Drouin for Sergachev.

 

[DownGoesMcDavid]

I don't think you understand how signing bonuses work.

I understand how math works..

If Nylander gets...lets say 6.5 mil x 6yrs... instead of an original Dubas offer of 6mil x 6yrs..... nylander would stand to make 3 million more by holding out and bargaining a better contract.

I doubt he is losing 3 million by missing the first 20 games.

So win win for Nylander.

 

[GoLeafsGo96]

I understand how math works..

If Nylander gets...lets say 6.5 mil x 6yrs... instead of an original Dubas offer of 6mil x 6yrs..... nylander would stand to make 3 million more by holding out and bargaining a better contract.

I doubt he is losing 3 million by missing the first 20 games.

So win win for Nylander.

If Dubas gets Nylander for 6.5x6 i'm pretty sure every Leafs fan on this board is going to be absolutely thrilled and saying Dubas won considering Nylander's original 8+M ask.

 

[DownGoesMcDavid]

If Dubas gets Nylander for 6.5x6 i'm pretty sure every Leafs fan on this board is going to be absolutely thrilled and saying Dubas won considering Nylander's original 8+M ask.

That was just random numbers generated to prove a mathematical point

 

[93gilmour93]

Sure teams are interested. But the offers will all take into account his contract demands which will likely lower the expected return. And as we’ve seen defensemen are valued more highly than offensive wingers.

That would depend on each teams individual views on the player. Some may be OK with the demands and some may value him enough to give a great return

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

Sure teams are interested. But the offers will all take into account his contract demands which will likely lower the expected return. And as we’ve seen defensemen are valued more highly than offensive wingers.

This. The intangibles of an unsigned Nylander vs. Pesce signed to a very team friendly, long term deal is what evens out the deal + the fact Pesce fills the biggest hole on the team.

I like Willie. I want Willie to stay at a reasonable price. I won't be upset if they deal him straight up for someone like Pesce.

 

[Dr Pepper]

Pastrnak had one season with over 27 points when he signed his deal (when he scored 70 with TWO elite line mates. Nylander has two 60 point seasons (with Matthews being hurt a lot) AND has shown ability to play center AND everyone knows the cap is about to EXPLODE with the gambling hockey related revenue.

Pastrnak getting better after he signed his deal has nothing to do with Nylander. A contract equal in cap hit % is the floor. And Nylander has things to point to (center, more years of success, cap about to explode) to ask for more than 7 million.

So Pastrnak (born in the same month as Nylander and taken 17 picks after him in the same draft) has already scored more in one season than Nylander's ever reached, he's on pace to be even better this season while Nylander foolishly (and selfishly) sits on his hands and refuses to bargain with Dubas and the Leafs.

Yep, Nylander's camp looking real smart here.

 

[Erndog]

This. The intangibles of an unsigned Nylander vs. Pesce signed to a very team friendly, long term deal is what evens out the deal + the fact Pesce fills the biggest hole on the team.

I like Willie. I want Willie to stay at a reasonable price. I won't be upset if they deal him straight up for someone like Pesce.

To me, the optics just seem horrible. This is going to sound ridiculous but this is how narratives get created. Ex:

You're going to see Willy score 30+ goals, and 70+ points consistently... you'll see him on highlight reels, make the all-star team, score some OT winners, win player of the week, etc... He will be on highlight packages often and the scoresheet every week. You won't see a single Brett Pesce highlight. I'm not saying the Leafs don't need a Pesce. They absolutely do. And he'd help. But the narrative will almost undoubtedly be the Leafs got crushed in that deal bc Willy will go on and be front and center while Pesce will sort of just "be there" to many fans who don't watch the Leafs.

Again, I'm just saying how the narrative will get created how the Leafs will be perceived as getting absolutely hosed in that deal. I'm sure you can picture it. Very much Taylor Hall for Adam Larsson-ish.

Again, not to say we don't need a Pesce, we do, but I don't think trading a 1st line, PPG player is how we go about acquiring that type of dman (to say nothing of whether or not Carolina would make the trade).

 

[wintersej]

So Pastrnak (born in the same month as Nylander and taken 17 picks after him in the same draft) has already scored more in one season than Nylander's ever reached, he's on pace to be even better this season while Nylander foolishly (and selfishly) sits on his hands and refuses to bargain with Dubas and the Leafs.

Yep, Nylander's camp looking real smart here.

Pasta's stats after he signed the deal have NOTHING to do with Nylander signing his deal?

 

[Romang67]

So Pastrnak (born in the same month as Nylander and taken 17 picks after him in the same draft) has already scored more in one season than Nylander's ever reached, he's on pace to be even better this season while Nylander foolishly (and selfishly) sits on his hands and refuses to bargain with Dubas and the Leafs.

Yep, Nylander's camp looking real smart here.

What does that have to do with anything? If anything, Pastrnak's contract turning into a steal for the Bruins would turn Nylander off wanting to use that contract as a comparable.

 

[ManwithNoIdentity]

I can't believe how many threads this board has blown through it's entertaining

 

[FrozenJagrt]

He will make back whatever he has lost x10 based on bonuses and getting higher salary than what Dubas was initially offerring.

I just love it that Nylander isnt being controlled by the idea of "losing" money on the daily.

Also love it even more that Nylander doesnt give 2 cents if Shanahan thinks players should take discounts to win. Nylander is killing management

Nylander isn't killing anything. At best, he's the team's fifth most important player. Dubas recognizes that and has chosen to let Nylander rot rather than overpay him. The kid is a luxury to the Leafs, not a necessity. His agent trying to play chicken with a brick wall right now.

 

[93gilmour93]

Those psychic abilities of yours kicked in