Speculation: Nylander XI - All rumors, proposals, discussion, etc. HERE

[Skin Tape Session]

I wich Nylander was a bit like Peter Forsberg... . If Nylander has a tiny bit of Forsbergs ability to comeback after long time away, like the playoffs 2002(i think it was). That would be great. I just miss Peter Forsberg i guess... now ill go cry under a Forsberg poster wearing his gameshirt...

As a leafs fan i can assure you, there is nothing about nylander that is in comparrasion to forsberg..nothing!!!! Forsberg was a franchise center, nylander is a soft winger.

The reason this is happaning is 1, the leafs wasted a rfa year and none of that good will has been sent the teams way.

2. Nylander wants to be paid for what he will do instead of how smart teams pay which is for what youve done.

And 3. Nylander sees himself as valuable as marner and matthews and may be resentful.

Nylander was always the bait and at this point im sending a message to the two other boys that tavares tok less to play with you, sign and lets go..id be sending nylander to the canes for Slavin or Pesce ++

If you ant nylander i want a similar player back except a d man. Young D with number 2 / num 1 potential who is not an rfa.dont want firsts and prospects. Im willing to make him sit and deal him at the draft.

 

[ZEBROA]

He'd be worth a lot more than he is, so he may wish the same.

Many players would. If he was that would realy put Leafs in a pickle. Nylander with Forsbergs mentality would be quite good.

 

[bukwas]

Many players would. If he was that would realy put Leafs in a pickle. Nylander with Forsbergs mentality would be quite good.

Yeah, but it would be a sweet pickle.

 

[The S5]

As a leafs fan i can assure you, there is nothing about nylander that is in comparrasion to forsberg..nothing!!!! Forsberg was a franchise center, nylander is a soft winger.

The reason this is happaning is 1, the leafs wasted a rfa year and none of that good will has been sent the teams way.

2. Nylander wants to be paid for what he will do instead of how smart teams pay which is for what youve done.

And 3. Nylander sees himself as valuable as marner and matthews and may be resentful.

Nylander was always the bait and at this point im sending a message to the two other boys that tavares tok less to play with you, sign and lets go..id be sending nylander to the canes for Slavin or Pesce ++

If you ant nylander i want a similar player back except a d man. Young D with number 2 / num 1 potential who is not an rfa.dont want firsts and prospects. Im willing to make him sit and deal him at the draft.

I think that there has to be some ill will between Nylander and the Leafs at this point. Trading him becomes more of an option every day.
The Canes would probably listen to a Pesce swap, but I don't see them adding too much. Nylander may have slightly more value, but Pesce has a fantastic contract and that is invaluable.

 

[Fogelhund]

I think that there has to be some ill will between Nylander and the Leafs at this point. Trading him becomes more of an option every day.
The Canes would probably listen to a Pesce swap, but I don't see them adding too much. Nylander may have slightly more value, but Pesce has a fantastic contract and that is invaluable.

Small technicality, but according to media reports, it is Carolina calling Toronto, not the other way around. It isn't about Carolina listening, as much as as what they are proposing or offering up.

 

[The S5]

Small technicality, but according to media reports, it is Carolina calling Toronto, not the other way around. It isn't about Carolina listening, as much as as what they are proposing or offering up.

Its irrelevant to the discussion though. If it is Carolina initiating the discussion, it doesn't change the value.

Also, a previous poster mentioned Slavin, which is just silly. Unless Dubas says to Wadell, "hey, we like Pesce, but we really want Slavin, what will it take?", it isn't an offer Carolina initiates.

 

[Fogelhund]

Its irrelevant to the discussion though. If it is Carolina initiating the discussion, it doesn't change the value.

Ah son... in the art of the negotiation, it always is relevant.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

Its irrelevant to the discussion though. If it is Carolina initiating the discussion, it doesn't change the value.

What? It obviously could change the value. Value on a player doesn't just sit in some little box it depends on a lot of different factors. How bad other teams want the player is obviously something that affects the value....Carolina also might not be bidding against themselves, other teams might want a player like Nylander too.

 

[shortfuze]

Agreed. We've been pointing fingers at his father and agent, but ultimately this is on Willy.

Now that it's Nov 1, I feel Dubas will focus his efforts towards a trade, take the best offer he gets by the end of this month.

Don’t take the best offer. If it isn’t a top pairing defender for Nylander ++, make him sit.

 

[The S5]

What? It obviously could change the value. Value on a player doesn't just sit in some little box it depends on a lot of different factors. How bad other teams want the player is obviously something that affects the value....Carolina also might not be bidding against themselves, other teams might want a player like Nylander too.

I agree that other teams would be interested in Nylander, but it doesn't change the value. Now, Carolina may be willing to give up more than fair value because they covet a particular player, but I was addressing the comment of a previous poster stating the value would be Pesce++. Without other factors in play, that just isn't the case.

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

If you factor in that:
A) he’s a RD, which whether anyone likes it or not carries high value.
B) is exactly what the Leafs need as he’s the defense first but with quick feet and a good breakout pass with great size making him the prototypical current day two way guy.
C) he’s saving the Leafs money as he’s cheaper than Nylander and signed for years, and you’re investing the money in defense where it’s needed. On a team that has to contend, is a cap team and needs to save every penny.

Canes have to add my ass. I hate the idea that this trade is probably being considered. Pesce was a miracle that fell in our laps, I’m not remotely happy about giving him up but I get like you say that we inflate our guys values. You have to give to get. I just don’t want to hear about Pesce having less value than Nylander.

Everything here is bang on. The only thing I'll add is it also lets Dubas demonstrate he's not screwing around for future contract negotiations. There's so much win in this trade for the Leafs that I wouldn't be surprised if Carolina knows their position of strength and asks TO to add something.

 

[GoldiFox]

As a leafs fan i can assure you, there is nothing about nylander that is in comparrasion to forsberg..nothing!!!! Forsberg was a franchise center, nylander is a soft winger.

The reason this is happaning is 1, the leafs wasted a rfa year and none of that good will has been sent the teams way.

2. Nylander wants to be paid for what he will do instead of how smart teams pay which is for what youve done.

And 3. Nylander sees himself as valuable as marner and matthews and may be resentful.

Nylander was always the bait and at this point im sending a message to the two other boys that tavares tok less to play with you, sign and lets go..id be sending nylander to the canes for Slavin or Pesce ++

If you ant nylander i want a similar player back except a d man. Young D with number 2 / num 1 potential who is not an rfa.dont want firsts and prospects. Im willing to make him sit and deal him at the draft.

Nylander doesn’t come close to touching Slavin’s value. Would be like Carolina asking for Matthews with Hamilton as a starter. Toronto would be looking at Pesce or Faulk as #2s.

 

[613Leafer]

Nylander to Carolina does make a lot of sense. Their blueline, even without Pesce, is good enough to win a Cup with IMO. Slavin + Hamilton + Faulk + De Haan is a really solid top 4, and then TVR + Fleury + Bean as current and upcoming options for the third pairing.

In terms of the forwards, if Aho can be a legit franchise centre (which he's trending towards), then Nylander adds another potential star to really solidify that top 6 to the point that I think makes that group good enough to contend with.

Still leaves goaltending as an issue, but otherwise the rest of the team would be looking deep at all positions, and quite young too with the potential to hold the group together for years. Williams is old at 37, but after that Staal at 30 is the next oldest skater on the team.

From the Leafs perspective, Pesce obviously addresses their #1 need as well, and also trades from a position of strength. Rielly has 400 NHL games under his belt, and that's almost exclusively playing beside Hunwick, Hainsey, Marincin, etc. Locking in a guy like Pesce to play with him for the next 4-5+ years would be a major upgrade to a hole that's been on the team for years and years.

Trade probably wouldn't be one for one, but as a basis it really does make quite a bit of sense to both sides.

 

[Luminiferous]

The + from the Canes best be amazing.

 

[ZEBROA]

As a leafs fan i can assure you, there is nothing about nylander that is in comparrasion to forsberg..nothing!!!! Forsberg was a franchise center, nylander is a soft winger.

The reason this is happaning is 1, the leafs wasted a rfa year and none of that good will has been sent the teams way.

2. Nylander wants to be paid for what he will do instead of how smart teams pay which is for what youve done.

And 3. Nylander sees himself as valuable as marner and matthews and may be resentful.

Nylander was always the bait and at this point im sending a message to the two other boys that tavares tok less to play with you, sign and lets go..id be sending nylander to the canes for Slavin or Pesce ++

If you ant nylander i want a similar player back except a d man. Young D with number 2 / num 1 potential who is not an rfa.dont want firsts and prospects. Im willing to make him sit and deal him at the draft.

Very few players can match Forsberg so i would never expect Nylander to do that. One similarity is the ability of getting the puck into the zone. He will never get those angry dark Forsberg kind of eyes. Or skating around with guys like backpacks on his back like hes being on a Sunday stroll. But i belive Nylander is underrated. And way to much focus is cast on the Boston series. Says nothing about the future. He will probably get stronger and learn how to deal with Boston in the future. And he can play as a C , maby not 1C but as a C no doubt.

Given he makes Matthews better 5v5, i would not trade him away for a D(wont get Slavin i think). I would try to get better Ds in another way.
Does Nylander make Leafs better , he does, does a D leafs never tried make the leafs even better than Nylander does, we dont know. So better be safe than sorry. If not getting a superdeal.

But i understand how you are thinking , and that could be the case , and the right way to go, who knows. I just know i want to se Nylander play beside Matthews.

 

[powerstuck]

As a leafs fan i can assure you, there is nothing about nylander that is in comparrasion to forsberg..nothing!!!! Forsberg was a franchise center, nylander is a soft winger.

The reason this is happaning is 1, the leafs wasted a rfa year and none of that good will has been sent the teams way.

2. Nylander wants to be paid for what he will do instead of how smart teams pay which is for what youve done.

And 3. Nylander sees himself as valuable as marner and matthews and may be resentful.

Nylander was always the bait and at this point im sending a message to the two other boys that tavares tok less to play with you, sign and lets go..id be sending nylander to the canes for Slavin or Pesce ++

If you ant nylander i want a similar player back except a d man. Young D with number 2 / num 1 potential who is not an rfa.dont want firsts and prospects. Im willing to make him sit and deal him at the draft.

I'm almost taking pleasure in quoting and questioning the two bolded above :

Nylander, as long as he's not signed by the TML he's purely shit...except when it's time to trade him, then he's the McDavid with a bit of Crosby and a pinch of Matthews all mixed up...in other words we want the moon, the golden nugget and even then we're not sure it's enough.

So to make it clear...''a soft winger'' doesn't get you Slavin, doesn't get you Pesce + nor Pesce ++

 

[Skin Tape Session]

I'm almost taking pleasure in quoting and questioning the two bolded above :

Nylander, as long as he's not signed by the TML he's purely ****...except when it's time to trade him, then he's the McDavid with a bit of Crosby and a pinch of Matthews all mixed up...in other words we want the moon, the golden nugget and even then we're not sure it's enough.

So to make it clear...''a soft winger'' doesn't get you Slavin, doesn't get you Pesce + nor Pesce ++

To make it clear dont really care what you think so. Derp!

 

[The Mentalist]

My brain was offline for a minute there, sorry.

My point is; almost every fan overrates the value on almost every player on their team.

Niederreiter for instance. Before he got traded Isles fans was talking about getting A+ prospects and 1st rounders for him, but his value got really low as time went on so he got traded for Clutterbuck and a 3rd.

Niederreiter had 3 points in 64 GP at the time of the trade. Nylander has two 60 point season. And if i recall correctly Nino wanted out of Long Island which is not the case with Nylander.

 

[Skin Tape Session]

Very few players can match Forsberg so i would never expect Nylander to do that. One similarity is the ability of getting the puck into the zone. He will never get those angry dark Forsberg kind of eyes. Or skating around with guys like backpacks on his back like hes being on a Sunday stroll. But i belive Nylander is underrated. And way to much focus is cast on the Boston series. Says nothing about the future. He will probably get stronger and learn how to deal with Boston in the future. And he can play as a C , maby not 1C but as a C no doubt.

Given he makes Matthews better 5v5, i would not trade him away for a D(wont get Slavin i think). I would try to get better Ds in another way.
Does Nylander make Leafs better , he does, does a D leafs never tried make the leafs even better than Nylander does, we dont know. So better be safe than sorry. If not getting a superdeal.

But i understand how you are thinking , and that could be the case , and the right way to go, who knows. I just know i want to se Nylander play beside Matthews.

I want him back too, im just getting to the point where i dont want to be held hostage. I dont worry about a hall/ larsson situation as hall was always clearly a star and edm are dumb

 

[acrobaticgoalie]

Don’t take the best offer. If it isn’t a top pairing defender for Nylander ++, make him sit.

Teams don't just hand over top pairing defenders. It's the most coveted position in hockey. If it were me looking for an offensive winger, I'm not gonna give up a Doughty, Hedman, Suter for him

 

[Leaf Fans]

My brain was offline for a minute there, sorry.

My point is; almost every fan overrates the value on almost every player on their team.

Niederreiter for instance. Before he got traded Isles fans was talking about getting A+ prospects and 1st rounders for him, but his value got really low as time went on so he got traded for Clutterbuck and a 3rd.

Cool, no problems?

 

[justafan22]

1 month until the deadline....

 

[MinJaBen]

The + from the Canes best be amazing.

The plus will be letting you watch us hoist the Cup.




You're welcome.

 

[shortfuze]

Teams don't just hand over top pairing defenders. It's the most coveted position in hockey. If it were me looking for an offensive winger, I'm not gonna give up a Doughty, Hedman, Suter for him

And that’s fine. He doesn’t get traded. Not trying to be smart with you. Nylander is an exceptional talent. He stays until Toronto gets what they want.

 

[The S5]

The + from the Canes best be amazing.

The may not be a plus at all in regard to players or picks. The plus lies with Pesce's contract. That alone is a big enough + to get Dubas excited.

At this point, the ball is in Nylander's court. I'm sure he has looked at a bridge deal, far below his asking price. If it was close, I'm sure they would have already buttoned up the differences and move ahead. Dubas is mulling all offers and will move ahead closer to the deadline. It may or may not be the Canes, but the offer of Pesce with a very small add is more than fair.