Speculation: Nylander XI - All rumors, proposals, discussion, etc. HERE

[CheMxDawG]

It is not a problem for Toronto. It costs the Leafs zero against the Cap. Willy can sit until he is 27 if he whats.

Nylander is a luxury, not a problem. Toronto has a ton of depth moving forward. They have no issues winning without him.

I bet the NHLPA is thrilled with this situation. If he holds out and misses a season, does it impact the next CBA?

 

[NoName]

I think Leafs basically are saying Ehlers and Pastrnak are on those deals so how are you worth more? They are limited with Matthews and Marner being more important contracts coming up. I think Nylander has to decide if a little money is worth a chance to win. If say they could settle on 6.5 on 7 years is it worth getting traded to make 7 somewhere that could be not a playoff team (not knowing the trading partner). 45.5 million vs. 49 million and being a part of the core of a bright future. Leafs aren't the only team that would say no to a blank check.

However, A bridge deal should have been completed a while ago. I cant see them actually losing the season.

From what I have heard Nylander is also worried that he may be in the situation where he signs a deal at a reasonable contract thinking he will get to play on the contending Leafs and then gets traded to another team. Another crappy part of RFA contracts is that teams can’t offer no-trade clauses, meaning the only assurance Nylander would have of not being traded would be Dubas’ word. So in addition to the straight up money incentive for Nylander asking for that $8million per season contract, he also would have an interest in making sure that AAV makes him very difficult for Toronto to trade. Now, Toronto obviously shouldn’t cave to that demand given their leverage in these negotiations and their pending contract negotiations next off-season, but I can see Nylander’s perspective here. I have an inkling that if Toronto were able to offer him a full NTC, then a deal would have been done by now.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

From what I have heard Nylander is also worried that he may be in the situation where he signs a deal at a reasonable contract thinking he will get to play on the contending Leafs and then gets traded to another team. Another crappy part of RFA contracts is that teams can’t offer no-trade clauses, meaning the only assurance Nylander would have of not being traded would be Dubas’ word. So in addition to the straight up money incentive for Nylander asking for that $8million per season contract, he also would have an interest in making sure that AAV makes him very difficult for Toronto to trade. Now, Toronto obviously shouldn’t cave to that demand given their leverage in these negotiations and their pending contract negotiations next off-season, but I can see Nylander’s perspective here. I have an inkling that if Toronto were able to offer him a full NTC, then a deal would have been done by now.

Toronto literally can't cave and offer a full NTC though. The ironic thing about this whole theory though about Nylander wanting to be over paid so his contract isn't tradeable for the Leafs is that there was only ever really one route out of town for him....and it is exactly what he is doing right now.

 

[TOGuy14]

Probably won't be done before Nylander's deal. Dundon and Wadell said as much that they are sort of waiting to see what Willie gets as comparables.

There are dozens of comparable that put the value around 6-6.75 on a long term deal.

Nylander is just hitching his value to a bad contract signed by a bad GM. Don't see how it is the market rate

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

Wow! You’ve sure changed your tune.
Yesterday you claimed the Leafs were worse than an AHL team with Matthews and Nylander our. Consistency is certainly not your trademark.

Can't speak for the poster you quoted but he isn't really wrong. Nylander is a luxury. He's the 6th or 7th most important player in Toronto but would be much higher on most teams given his pedigree. He's definitely less important than Matthews, Tavares, Marner, Rielly and Andersen. Debatable whether he's more important than Kadri. I'd take his skill over Kadri but when you look at Kadri's numbers across the board and his contract, it might force Nylander down to #7 on the importance chart. A nice problem to have, all in all.

 

[Marshy]

Sergachev had yet to prove anything in the NHL. You want to trade nylander for a recent number 8ish draft pick that hasn't done anything? Didn't think so.

I'll take Makar for him right now.

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

There are dozens of comparable that put the value around 6-6.75 on a long term deal.

Nylander is just hitching his value to a bad contract signed by a bad GM. Don't see how it is the market rate

Even if he uses that as his market rate, his best season pre-contract is 25% less than the player he'd be comparing himself to.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

Can't speak for the poster you quoted but he isn't really wrong. Nylander is a luxury. He's the 6th or 7th most important player in Toronto but would be much higher on most teams given his pedigree. He's definitely less important than Matthews, Tavares, Marner, Rielly and Andersen. Debatable whether he's more important than Kadri. I'd take his skill over Kadri but when you look at Kadri's numbers across the board and his contract, it might force Nylander down to #7 on the importance chart. A nice problem to have, all in all.

Agreed. I think Nylander is overrated but he is a good offensive winger with very good skill. Playing with Matthews certainly helps his numbers and he also needs to still prove that he can perform when the physical play ratchets up a notch. I don’t blame Leafs management for playing hardball.

 

[slimbob8]

Holy shit Willy. Enough is enough, just sign already.

 

[AvatarAang]

8-4-0 and 2nd in the East.

#Wrecked

Do you know what the word "lately" means?

2-3-0 in their last 5 games. Both wins came against the more advanced team.

 

[34]

I’d say having someone of his caliper sitting when he could be playing is a problem. Yes they have no issues winning cuz Tor is a damn good team, but they could be even better with him or with a trade. It would feel ****ty to loose in 7 in the 3rd round knowing you could have had an extra player who makes impact

I agree with this.

 

[Cor]

Do you know what the word "lately" means?

2-3-0 in their last 5 games. Both wins came against the more advanced team.

Ah, I stand corrected. The dreaded 2-3-0 stretch has sank teams playoff hopes for decades! There’s no way to recover from that nearly .500 stretch of 5 games, even if you went 6-1-0 in the previous 7!

12 games isn’t even a large enough sample to necessarily judge a team, and you want to cut it down to 5 to try and make a point?

Come on.

 

[Canada4Gold]

Aho, Hurricanes working on long-term contract: report

This will very well affect Nylander

Nah, Nylander doesn't do comparables

 

[TheBeastCoast]

Do you know what the word "lately" means?

2-3-0 in their last 5 games. Both wins came against the more advanced team.

I've seen some solid well thought out arguements in my day and I have to say this absolutely isn't one of them. Try harder next time I got second hand embarrassment from you and I dont appreciate that.

 

[Yatzhee]

Holy **** Willy. Enough is enough, just sign already.

Why should he? Given his production, pay the man already or trade him.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

Why should he? Given his production, pay the man already or trade him.

So you think he is worth 8 million?

 

[Marshy]

So you think he is worth 8 million?

I don't think he's saying that at all?

 

[TheBeastCoast]

I don't think he's saying that at all?

"Pay the man or trade him." What other way is there to take that then suggesting the Leafs pay Nylander what he is asking for?

 

[Marshy]

"Pay the man or trade him." What other way is there to take that then suggesting the Leafs pay Nylander what he is asking for?

I interpret it as pi$$ or get off the pot. Do one or the other.

 

[Coach Parker]

Sorry for not being able to sort through it or find a consensus number but what do the Leafs fans here feel is the maximum value cap hit for Nylander?

Cheers

 

[Amadeus]

Sorry for not being able to sort through it or find a consensus number but what do the Leafs fans here feel is the maximum value cap hit for Nylander?

Cheers

Anything over Pastrnak's.

 

[Marshy]

Sorry for not being able to sort through it or find a consensus number but what do the Leafs fans here feel is the maximum value cap hit for Nylander?

Cheers

5.5M on a 2-4 year bridge deal.

6.75 on a 6 year deal.
7 X 7
7.25 X 8

 

[Coach Parker]

Anything over Pastrnak's.

Thanks. I figured the Leafs see it that way and the Nylander camp sees it as Draisaitl and anything close to that is why he is still sitting without a contract.

If he signs an offersheet in the 7.0 million range I'm assuming there's a quick matching of the offer and he is back on the ice.

 

[Coach Parker]

5.5M on a 2-4 year bridge deal.

6.75 on a 6 year deal.
7 X 7
7.25 X 8

Thanks.

The funny thing about offer sheets is that fans of the teams who would offer him the contract rarely think about what other players on the team would think. For instance, would Pastrnak be offended or put off if the Bruins offersheeted Nylander 7 x 7.25? Or is it just business as usual and players don't begrudge the team or player for seeking the most amount possible?

 

[Amadeus]

Thanks. I figured the Leafs see it that way and the Nylander camp sees it as Draisaitl and anything close to that is why he is still sitting without a contract.

If he signs an offersheet in the 7.0 million range I'm assuming there's a quick matching of the offer and he is back on the ice.

And to be honest, the Pastrnak is the better player, so that should in no way be considered a 'discount' by Nylander.

If there is truth to his contract demands to be in the Draisaitl range, I have no issues in trading this guy.