Speculation: Nylander XI - All rumors, proposals, discussion, etc. HERE

[Iceman]

I can't believe how many threads this board has blown through it's entertaining

Go to thread 3 or something, probably the same things being said back then already.

 

[Tavares to Marner]

He will make back whatever he has lost x10 based on bonuses and getting higher salary than what Dubas was initially offerring.

I just love it that Nylander isnt being controlled by the idea of "losing" money on the daily.

Also love it even more that Nylander doesnt give 2 cents if Shanahan thinks players should take discounts to win. Nylander is killing management

Oh I bet you love that downgoesMcdavid

 

[Groo]

Those psychic abilities of yours kicked in

Not really, that why Judge Anderson is there

 

[wintersej]

Nylander isn't killing anything. At best, he's the team's fifth most important player. Dubas recognizes that and has chosen to let Nylander rot rather than overpay him. The kid is a luxury to the Leafs, not a necessity. His agent trying to play chicken with a brick wall right now.

Which is exactly why I wouldn't take a discount to stay with the Leafs. Everyone knows that WHEN the Leafs decide they need help on the blue line that Nylander is the most likely to move. He is a luxury.

 

[Erndog]

Which is exactly why I wouldn't take a discount to stay with the Leafs. Everyone knows that WHEN the Leafs decide they need help on the blue line that Nylander is the most likely to move. He is a luxury.

Yup. Think this summarizes it really.

 

[Dr Pepper]

Pasta's stats after he signed the deal have NOTHING to do with Nylander signing his deal?

Nylander's playing hardball and lessening both his value and his reputation by sitting out this long, straining the relationship between player and team.

Pastrnak signed a contract that, yes, obviously looks like a steal right now. He has increased his value with each passing game and is now seen as a rock solid part of the Bruins' core that won't be moved.

I'm just comparing how the two separate negotiations have affected each player. One positively, one negatively.

 

[Superlative Soup]

To me, the optics just seem horrible. This is going to sound ridiculous but this is how narratives get created. Ex:

You're going to see Willy score 30+ goals, and 70+ points consistently... you'll see him on highlight reels, make the all-star team, score some OT winners, win player of the week, etc... He will be on highlight packages often and the scoresheet every week. You won't see a single Brett Pesce highlight. I'm not saying the Leafs don't need a Pesce. They absolutely do. And he'd help. But the narrative will almost undoubtedly be the Leafs got crushed in that deal bc Willy will go on and be front and center while Pesce will sort of just "be there" to many fans who don't watch the Leafs.

Again, I'm just saying how the narrative will get created how the Leafs will be perceived as getting absolutely hosed in that deal. I'm sure you can picture it. Very much Taylor Hall for Adam Larsson-ish.

Again, not to say we don't need a Pesce, we do, but I don't think trading a 1st line, PPG player is how we go about acquiring that type of dman (to say nothing of whether or not Carolina would make the trade).

So you're more worried about what other fans think of your team than actually improving it?

 

[DownGoesMcDavid]

Oh I bet you love that downgoesMcdavid

I dont get it

 

[Dr Pepper]

Which is exactly why I wouldn't take a discount to stay with the Leafs. Everyone knows that WHEN the Leafs decide they need help on the blue line that Nylander is the most likely to move. He is a luxury.

Agreed.

Nylander needs the Leafs more than they need him, and I think Dubas knows this.

What sucks, though, is that publicly acknowledging it (by trading Nylander) would cause Dubas to go back on what he said after signing Tavares (we'll sign all four players, won't need to trade them, etc.).

Moving Nylander to a team that is optimistic that they can talk both him and his team off of their soapbox, would be in the best interests of Toronto's team success. This staring contest is providing nothing other than speculation and very little in the way of productive negotiations.

 

[wintersej]

Agreed.

Nylander needs the Leafs more than they need him, and I think Dubas knows this.

What sucks, though, is that publicly acknowledging it (by trading Nylander) would cause Dubas to go back on what he said after signing Tavares (we'll sign all four players, won't need to trade them, etc.).

Moving Nylander to a team that is optimistic that they can talk both him and his team off of their soapbox, would be in the best interests of Toronto's team success. This staring contest is providing nothing other than speculation and very little in the way of productive negotiations.

I very very very strongly think the gambling announcement makes it worse. Cap could be like 90 million in a couple years. If I am Nylander, I want a 2 year bridge badly.

 

[snowkiddin]

To me, the optics just seem horrible. This is going to sound ridiculous but this is how narratives get created. Ex:

You're going to see Willy score 30+ goals, and 70+ points consistently... you'll see him on highlight reels, make the all-star team, score some OT winners, win player of the week, etc... He will be on highlight packages often and the scoresheet every week. You won't see a single Brett Pesce highlight. I'm not saying the Leafs don't need a Pesce. They absolutely do. And he'd help. But the narrative will almost undoubtedly be the Leafs got crushed in that deal bc Willy will go on and be front and center while Pesce will sort of just "be there" to many fans who don't watch the Leafs.

Again, I'm just saying how the narrative will get created how the Leafs will be perceived as getting absolutely hosed in that deal. I'm sure you can picture it. Very much Taylor Hall for Adam Larsson-ish.

Again, not to say we don't need a Pesce, we do, but I don't think trading a 1st line, PPG player is how we go about acquiring that type of dman (to say nothing of whether or not Carolina would make the trade).

TIL 61 points in 82 games is PPG

 

[Erndog]

So you're more worried about what other fans think of your team than actually improving it?

They won't improve much this way.

 

[FerrisRox]

When is the last time a player sat through that deadline and decided to miss a year? The chances of that happening are non-existent. If it actually comes down to that deadline and they can't agree they just do a 1 year deal and we do this all again next year. There is no pressure on the Leafs at all in this situation to cave. They've got years left of team control.

There's only "no pressure on the Leafs" if you the scenario you have fabricated "that there is no way he sits out the year" is true. He can let the deadline pass, sign a deal in the KHL and make more money then he would have taken home this year with the Leafs. It's not an ideal move for him, but pretending it's an impossibility is to bury your head in the sand.

Throughout these threads, Leaf fans have repeatedly dismissed the idea that they can't sign him, dismissed the idea that Dubas has painted himself into a corner with Tavares contract and dismissed the idea that Nylander could play in Europe.

They may be right.

They also may be wrong.

 

[Erndog]

TIL 61 points in 82 games is PPG

snowkiddin' you can't project out. Amazing.

Edit: I'd wager 61 pts is his baseline rather than his high water mark.

 

[FerrisRox]

Well I heard Bob McKenzie interviewed on tsn radio Toronto and he said as of now the leafs are still telling teams they are not trading him but also that 12-15 teams are interested if Nylander is traded.

If that is true, the numbers that are being reported in terms of what Nylander is asking (in the $8 million range) can't possibly be true.

If fifteen teams are interested, I would guess that Nylander's asking price starts with a 6, not an 8.

 

[The Podium]

If that is true, the numbers that are being reported in terms of what Nylander is asking (in the $8 million range) can't possibly be true.

If fifteen teams are interested, I would guess that Nylander's asking price starts with a 6, not an 8.

Or budget teams not worried about the cap ceiling may be more inclined to pay closer to 8.

 

[KPower]

I dont get it

We know...that's the joke.

 

[DownGoesMcDavid]

Nylander for a #2 or #3 Dman is fair.

Nylander for Matta and 2nd is fair value id say

 

[FerrisRox]

Or budget teams not worried about the cap ceiling may be more inclined to pay closer to 8.

You think there are 12 to 15 teams willing to pay him $8 million? Come on, that's just ridiculous.

 

[powerstuck]

Well I heard Bob McKenzie interviewed on tsn radio Toronto and he said as of now the leafs are still telling teams they are not trading him but also that 12-15 teams are interested if Nylander is traded. That sounds like a bidding war would start if they move him and leafs haters won't like the return Toronto would get if he's moved. His value is so much more then HF boards would lead you to believe

This to me sounds like an ideal opportunity to trade him. If there are so many interested, the likelyhood of getting an over-payment seems high. We are technically dealing from a position of strength. If there is a team out there that is desperate to add skill and overpay, you would have to listen. For me the thought process of the future of this team needs to begin now. Cost controlled players are going to be a need for us over the next 10 years.

While usually having 12-15 teams interested would tend to drive the price up...I don't think it's the case here.

There are quotes of Nylander saying he want's to stay in Toronto.
So out of 15 interested teams, to how many teams would Nylander accept to be traded ?
Or, out of 15 interested teams, how many teams would pay an acceptable price to Leafs, to obtain Nylander rights without a single guarantee he signs there ?

Just the issue that Nylander can say, nope I sit out be it for Toronto or any other of 12-15 teams will make 14 out of 15 teams out of the run.
And the remaining team will most likely want to take much less risk, which will make Leafs say no.

Factor in will Nylander sign with team A,B,C,D,E,F,G,H,I,J,K,L,M,N,O...
Factor in how many among A,B,C,D,E,F,G,H,I,J,K,L,M,N and O teams can give Nylander his reported ask of 8M...
Factor in how many among A,B,C,D,E,F,G,H,I,J,K,L,M,N and O teams have assets Toronto would want/need...
Factor in how many among A,B,C,D,E,F,G,H,I,J,K,L,M,N and O teams are willing to pay Toronto's ask....

 

[DownGoesMcDavid]

If that is true, the numbers that are being reported in terms of what Nylander is asking (in the $8 million range) can't possibly be true.

If fifteen teams are interested, I would guess that Nylander's asking price starts with a 6, not an 8.

Exactly! And Shanahan and Dubas are trying to squeeze him probably at just under 5 or close to 6.

Nylander schooling them and saying get that garbage outta here !

 

[Sundinisagod]

If that is true, the numbers that are being reported in terms of what Nylander is asking (in the $8 million range) can't possibly be true.

If fifteen teams are interested, I would guess that Nylander's asking price starts with a 6, not an 8.

My personal feeling is that a deal somewhere in the middle could be reached, 7-7.5, but I don't think Toronto is going that high but others would.

 

[mouser]

There's only "no pressure on the Leafs" if you the scenario you have fabricated "that there is no way he sits out the year" is true. He can let the deadline pass, sign a deal in the KHL and make more money then he would have taken home this year with the Leafs. It's not an ideal move for him, but pretending it's an impossibility is to bury your head in the sand.

Throughout these threads, Leaf fans have repeatedly dismissed the idea that they can't sign him, dismissed the idea that Dubas has painted himself into a corner with Tavares contract and dismissed the idea that Nylander could play in Europe.

They may be right.

They also may be wrong.

Given what we know about KHL salaries, I find it highly improbable he could make more money in the KHL this season. Especially when you consider the KHL regular season will be nearly 2/3rds over when Dec 1st hits.

 

[Duke Silver]

Nylander's playing hardball and lessening both his value and his reputation by sitting out this long, straining the relationship between player and team.

Pastrnak signed a contract that, yes, obviously looks like a steal right now. He has increased his value with each passing game and is now seen as a rock solid part of the Bruins' core that won't be moved.

I'm just comparing how the two separate negotiations have affected each player. One positively, one negatively.

Indeed. Funny to say, but Pastrnak shot himself in the foot by becoming a point-per-game player after signing his deal. Just goes to show that timing is everything.

 

[Nizdizzle]

Related to the Nylander talks, The Atheletic (Pay-walled, ye be warned) posted a pretty good article today about how overblown the Leafs cap problems are:

Mirtle: Reports of the Maple Leafs' pending cap-related...