Confirmed with Link: Nylander signs extension of 8 years - 11.5M AAV

[djdev]

Nylander is 1.01 ppg over that time frame, and improving. Try again.

LOL your statement was JT had 1 season over a ppg(barely) same is true for nylander..no matter how much you try to move the goalposts

 

[Gary Nylund]

Including this season he's been at or above a ppg, he has shown progression AND Tre does not want to look like an ass so he will make sure that Willie is on the 20+ minutes a night vs the 18ish minutes a night. Willies biggest fan for the next 8 years will be Tre.

Assume no it does not make sense to assume, I never assume, make an educated guess based on his last three years, IMO he will probably be a 90 to 100 point guy for the next 4 to 5 years and a 70 to 80 point guy for the last 3 years. It's a gamble, Tre is paying him ,expecting for him to be a top 10 scorer. we know Willie can be less than engaged at times. We know there is a good Willie and a bad Willie, hoping that the good Willie is the guy we get for most of his remaining contract.

Whatever. MacKinnon and McDavid are not his peers.

This is a pretty Leafy contract. You've just played way better than you've ever played for a few months, tell ya what, let's assume this is who you are now, and we'll pay you on the assumption that this is who you'll be for the next 8 years. Is that OK? Pretty please? What if we throw in a full NMC and of course we'll do our usual front loading and packed with bonus thing, is your dad OK with that?

 

[HamiltonNHL]

Happy with 8 years.

Full NMC.

Willy is progressing.

It’s cap hell until Tavares is off the books.

 

[notDatsyuk]

In a good year I make over 8% on my investments and his investment guy is better than mine. So thats $66k a month on $10M up front. Payable every July 1 so thats $250g before the season starts and more earned each month until the amount paid catches up to the salary normal rate. For the year $400K+?

Its that kind of a number until a couple of lean years in 29-30 when its more like $200k. Something around $2.5M for the life of the deal maybe. Probably $1.5M more than Pasta will see but I don't have an amortization calculator to give a real number. And the exact number doesn't matter, I am just confused that it is there but carries no weight.

Sure, and thanks for the numbers. The point is that it's not like it used to be, where the full bonus was paid at the start of the contract. An extra $400K per year is nothing to sneeze at, but it's not the extra millions that some people seem to think.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Happy he's back because I've always felt he's better than Marner, at least on the offensive side. I just don't get how he is paid more than Pasta when Pasta has outscored him every season during his current deal and by quite a large margin as well. Hopefully this is some team agreement where Marner and Tavares take pay cuts and allowed him to get his big pay day after they already did. I do think he can earn this contract but I just hate deals like this when they are in a contract year and all of a sudden they just produce way more than usual and for some reason only that 1 season is all it takes to get paid.

Edit: Forgot to add that I'm glad one of the core forwards finally signed for 8 years though

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLO.

I mean, if by pay cut you mean Marner doesn't demand a penny more than 12.9 per season then yeah, maybe.

 

[The Masters]

nhl gotta get rid of these NMC

cuz u give the player the money but if it doesnt work out, team should be able to trade him

thats how it is in the nba

 

[saltming]

His dad is the reason most people want to see him traded. Nylander is the better player and if Marner is not willing to take a pay cut, then good riddance.

I'm no marner hater but I agree about silly being a better player

 

[francis246]

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I mean, if by pay cut you mean Marner doesn't demand a penny more than 12.9 per season then yeah, maybe.

I think out of the 3 Marner has the least leverage. He already got his massive pay raise. TBH i think he’s the guy they are gonna dig their heels into. I don’t think he gets more than 12. Ideally a matching 11.5 contract with Nylander would be perfect. Realistically Marner is probably worth the 10.9 now but nothing more than that.

 

[ACC1224]

Leafs couldn’t build a winner before the cap era, what makes you think it would be different now? They had all the money to spend, but still could get it done………

The difference is we’d have people who know nothing about hockey discussing hockey instead of people who know nothing about finance discussing finance.
No one cared how much the players were paid before the cap.

His dad is the reason most people want to see him traded. Nylander is the better player and if Marner is not willing to take a pay cut, then good riddance.

Yeah people are dumb.

 

[rumman]

If the plan is to keep Matthews and Nylander, and drop Tavares and Marner, then this can work.

Yes it could work if that happened, but sadly I don’t see either going anywhere……….

 

[IrishInOntario]

While I wish the contract would have come in around $10.5 million, you're telling me that we could still have a roster something like this next year, assuming a $87.5 million salary cap (as projected)?

Forwards
Matthews: $13,250,000
Nylander: $11,500,000
Tavares: $11,000,000
Marner: $10,900,000
Forward: $5,500,000
Forward: $3,250,000
Kampf: $2,400,000
Jarnkrok: $2,100,000
Forward: $1,500,000
Knies: $925,000
Minten: $845,000
Forward: $800,000
Forward: $800,000

Defense
Rielly: $7,500,000
Defenseman: $5,900,000
Liljegren: $2,500,000
McCabe: $2,000,000
Defenseman: $1,500,000
Timmins: $1,100,000
Defenseman: $750,000

Goalies
Jones: $1,250,000
Woll: $766,000

Total: $87,500,000

That's still a pretty good roster (carrying 22 players), in a world in which the following year the cap should rise another $4 million and Tavares' pay cut will cover the raise for Marner, Knies+

 

[thewave]

In a sane world.

WN signs 10.5m x 8 with a Modified (Limited) No movement clause. The fact we gave him 11.5 and do not have that right is the major issue.
MM doesn't deserve more than 11.5m x 8 but is going to get 12m at least and once again a Muskoka 5 NMC.

The NMC is the problem here.

 

[Gallagbi]

what else is he supposed to say?

...we're happy we signed the player we wanted and at a number that works for us. The rest of it is clutter that feels defensive

 

[Tie Domi Esquire]

I think out of the 3 Marner has the least leverage. He already got his massive pay raise. TBH i think he’s the guy they are gonna dig their heels into. I don’t think he gets more than 12. Ideally a matching 11.5 contract with Nylander would be perfect. Realistically Marner is probably worth the 10.9 now but nothing more than that.

Marner has been significantly better than Nylander excluding the last 37 games. And while 37 games has now somehow made Nylander better than Pastrnak. A bad season didn't prevent them from valuing Matthews higher than anyone in the league.

If they couldn't fathom losing Nylander, the same is true for Marner. They painted themselves into a corner over the past 5 years with horrible contracts and even worse asset management. Now they have a handful of players that is the entire team.

Long story short, they will pay Marner whatever he wants.

 

[thewave]

Marner has been significantly better than Nylander excluding the last 37 games. And while 37 games has now somehow made Nylander better than Pastrnak. A bad season didn't prevent them from valuing Matthews higher than anyone in the league.

If they couldn't fathom losing Nylander, the same is true for Marner. They painted themselves into a corner over the past 5 years with horrible contracts and even worse asset management. Now they have a handful of players that is the entire team.

Long story short, they will pay Marner whatever he wants.

Don't you know we now base performance and contracts on the past 37 games. It's new for 2024, only in Toronto.

 

[rumman]

Tre said all the right things today, but to me he was flat and lacked genuine enthusiasm.

It wasn’t until today that I realized this guys a joke, or a puppet, or a joke of a puppet, once again I feel like Lucy holding the football for Charlie Brown. Will I ever learn………

 

[PromisedLand]

One in that range is a RFA by pay, the rest are UFA... I think that's pretty representative.

Cap hits are between 9-5.4%, of the cap when signed.

In terms of when Tavares would sign, assuming $92 mil as the cap, that is $8.28 at the highest end, $4.968 at the lowest.

I mean, continue to spin if you want... you doubted that many 2C were below $6 mil... clearly, you were wrong.

@francis246 finally had a time to look at some centers that are below 6M AAV

Also @Fogelhund So who are you slotting at 2C that is less than 6 million dollars who is going to produce at around ppg clip?

 

[Eternal Leaf]

I respect Rielly so much.

What a person to take such a discount with these teammates around him. Best guy in the core and should be captain too.

 

[francis246]

Marner has been significantly better than Nylander excluding the last 37 games. And while 37 games has now somehow made Nylander better than Pastrnak. A bad season didn't prevent them from valuing Matthews higher than anyone in the league.

If they couldn't fathom losing Nylander, the same is true for Marner. They painted themselves into a corner over the past 5 years with horrible contracts and even worse asset management. Now they have a handful of players that is the entire team.

Long story short, they will pay Marner whatever he wants.

This could totally be the case. The one more that boggles my mind is why didn’t Dubas sign Hyman to 5.5. We had the cap to do it. Now we are here with Bertuzzi at the same cap number.

My gut tells me he wasn’t a fit with the big guys in the room.

Losing Hyman for nothing was the worst of all the moves.

Kadri for Barrie and Kerfoot is #2

 

[thewave]

This could totally be the case. The one more that boggles my mind is why didn’t Dubas sign Hyman to 5.5. We had the cap to do it. Now we are here with Bertuzzi at the same cap number.

My gut tells me he wasn’t a fit with the big guys in the room.

Losing Hyman for nothing was the worst of all the moves.

Kadri for Barrie and Kerfoot is #2

Contractually we are a comedy of errors that keeps getting exponentially worse.

Do people not understand that now anyone we develop will demand overpays or leave forever more? We are going to be a revolving door team with no chemistry. We may not even find ourselves a quality #1 Tender or a top tier D core for the duration of these contracts.

 

[Ziggdiezan]

Not sure about the tax implications of getting it a bit sooner, but overall we're talking about 'increased time' of months rather than years .

I think it's more related to how/where you can file your taxes for signing bonuses vs salary. Definitely would only be a couple months of interest but when it's 11.5 million a year it's not an insignificant amount, I.e. getting like 10 million dollar signing bonuses on day 1 of the season

 

[RunItBackAgain]

@francis246 finally had a time to look at some centers that are below 6M AAV

Also @Fogelhund So who are you slotting at 2C that is less than 6 million dollars who is going to produce at around ppg clip?



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I bet a bunch of these guys would hit PPG playing with Willy in our systems and PP1 time standing net front. Tavares is coat tailing hard and its very very obvious. Put him on PP2 and 2LW/3C next season to start and show him who he really is then we can talk contract.

 

[PromisedLand]

Leafs are going to ice 4 forwards with 11+ AAV next season. The only team in the league to have such allocation and probably the first team in the history of NHL to have two wingers at 11AAV+ and only one 1st round win in at least 5 tries

Love for the players is one thing; but Team>player. Unless there is a miracle I think we should just kiss the cup dream bye bye until we rebuild again.

I really need some convincing here that we can go for the cup with this cap allocation; because I just don't see it

I bet a bunch of these guys would hit PPG playing with Willy in our systems and PP1 time standing net front. Tavares is coat tailing hard and its very very obvious. Put him on PP2 and 2LW/3C next season to start and show him who he really is then we can talk contract.

I think we can use a similar argument to say lets put Willy to a center that is not tavares or matthews and lets see how willy fares or his center does

Don't get me wrong here. I love WillyNy. But somethings gotta give here man. how the hell are we supposed to win in post season? There doesn't seem to be a plan in place. it just feels like just keep paying premium dollars to the core who hasnn't shown up in post season especially in teh games that count and buckle under pressure; because clearly they are the one that is going to do it because there isn't going to be cap left for any quality depth, quality D or goal tending.

 

[MarMarSab3]

I bet a bunch of these guys would hit PPG playing with Willy in our systems and PP1 time standing net front. Tavares is coat tailing hard and its very very obvious. Put him on PP2 and 2LW/3C next season to start and show him who he really is then we can talk contract.

Wennberg Coyle and Strome are interesting

 

[thewave]

Leafs are going to ice 4 forwards with 11+ AAV next season. The only team in the league to have such allocation and probably the first team in the history of NHL to have two wingers at 11AAV+ and only one 1st round win in at least 5 tries

Love for the players is one thing; but Team>player. Unless there is a miracle I think we should just kiss the cup dream bye bye until we rebuild again.

I really need some convincing here that we can go for the cup with this cap allocation; because I just don't see it

Just sit back and watch the skills of some of the best players in the game. Just don't plan on winning anything the allocations and precedent has made it so that we will as many cups as Globe Trotters win NBA titles.