Confirmed with Link: Nylander signs extension of 8 years - 11.5M AAV

[Notsince67]

Next year he joins the double digit$ club.

He's still a lowly paid Tier 2 guy until after the playoffs end.

Everyone said we couldn't win with 3 guys over 10mm. Maybe 4 is good

 

[LeafGrief]

Booooooooooooooooooooooo

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Nylander is a great player, but this organization is not serious. It is a country club who thinks that paychecks are what makes players great. This is an overpayment based on what is obviously a career year. I love Willy, but this is just insanity and will hurt us the moment it kicks in. Clearly we learned nothing from years of failure and disappointment. ELC and waiver wire goalies for the next decade, YAY!

I'm sick of this era and have no love left for this core. Amazing individual players without a shred of true greatness to be found among any of the big4. Maybe they'll find it in themselves, they certainly have the talent, but I hate that apparently management's master plan is to just wait until these guys wake up and realize that they're getting older and if they want to win, they need to be serious.

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

 

[Shooter2x]

Did you guys not learn anything from Hyman?

You're going to take a big L if you try to fill in the space with multiple pieces.

You have two options. 1.) Cry over Nylander's cap hit 2.) Cry over the multiple failed attempts to find new talent to replace him

Choose #1. Cry away.

If you look at the ages of the 3 headed monster, it's unrealistic that they will never go on the Crosby/Malkin type point tear to win the Cup. It's most likely soon.

If Kessel can break through and do it I don't see why our 3 guys can't.

In the post-season guys limbs are hanging by threads. If a team has players pacing 30 points, you're at their mercy.

 

[notDatsyuk]

As much as I LOVE Willy; JT off the books means we will need a 2C how are we gonna afford that and quality depth and defense ???

Marner is already thinking 15 AAV

Willy was drafted as a C, played C in juniors and the minors and with the Swedish team. He was pegged as our future 2C before the JT signing.

It also solves the problem of people whining about 'two 12M wingers'. (Yes someone here said that!)

 

[Ziggdiezan]

Does it have NTC or NMC?

Full NMC every year with 69 million in signing bonuses or some shit

 

[Confucius]

Can't wait for Marner to get 13m

Well he better pick it up… lol. I like Mitch but he is falling out of favour with the crowd. William committed to 8 years which is great. For some reason I don’t even care he is a little overpaid. Maybe it’s the way Styles smiles.

 

[Dragao6]

We have no choice now.we have to run it back again and again and again and again……..

Hopefully keefe gets a HUGE multi year extension soon!!

 

[Divine]

Who was going to outbid the Leafs for this?

Completely delusional contract. Leafs just bid against themselves.

 

[Ziggdiezan]

If we were gonna give him max term, money, bonuses, and trade clauses, why didn’t we wait till after the playoffs. He wasn’t gonna get more than this unless we won the cup and he won conn smythe, and then at that point I’d pay whatever he wanted.

This wasn’t a negotiation, this was Nylander’s agent asking for something and us saying sure, then him asking for another thing and then saying sure again and again.

Ya Tre going to look really stupid if Nylander slumps hard the second half of the season. To match this contract teams would need to offer 13.14x7 which I don't think would happen

 

[Puckstuff]

The Cap was $80 mil for the 2019/20 season. The big four had a cap hit of $42.12 mil.. or 52% of the cap.

If Marner gets $12 mil, the three combine for a cap hit of $36.75 mil. For 2025/26, the cap is expected to go to $92 million. The same 52% would be $47.84 million... suggesting if Tavares comes in under $11.09 million, we will have allocated LESS to the big four, than we did when everyone received their last contracts. So if we get Marner at $12 mil, and Tavares at $5-7 mil, we will be well below where we were last contract round with these guys.

92 million cap
Matthews - 13.5
Marner - 11.5
Nylander 11.5
Tavares - 6.75
= 43.25 million or 47 % of the cap.

 

[Fogelhund]

Gotta factor in quality.

You can play Minten as 2C but that doesn’t make it a good idea

I will look it up in the evening and post it

I'm not even sure what you are going on about here.

I’m at work and I’m not going through cap friendly right now. But I’d venture to say more than half the leagues 2C is at 6 mill or under.

I do t think so. Am at work too; will look it up and post it.

I'm responding to this... provided you the link.

More than half of the leagues 2C's, by pay... are at $6 mil or under... that's just a fact. Only 33rd to 42 are above $6 mil.

As far as quality... Tavares is 21st in points, and Domi is 48th, which is extremely good value for his $3 mil.

Tavares at $6 mil for four years, should be extremely good value for us.

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

The AAV is still hard to swallow but this is a little bit of different perspective kind of helps.

 

[Nineteen67]

Hard to let a player like Willie get away

How will they build around this contract, I don’t know.

 

[fahad203]

I know I am going to get flamed but for 11 million we needed a player that brings something different

We have too many core players that play a very similar game. Something that hasn't worked out too well

Has a very Oilers feel to it

 

[hamzarocks]

The expectations moving forward are huge on Nylandwr

He needs to be a 100+ pt player the first four years of this deal

Just ppg now isnt good enough cone playoffs

He has same or higher expectations than marner did during his 10.9M deal

 

[Dekes For Days]

The Cap was $80 mil for the 2019/20 season. The big four had a cap hit of $42.12 mil.. or 52% of the cap.

The salary cap was 81.5m in 2019-2020, and the big four took up 40.5m. 49.7%.

 

[Ziggdiezan]

The Cap was $80 mil for the 2019/20 season. The big four had a cap hit of $42.12 mil.. or 52% of the cap.

If Marner gets $12 mil, the three combine for a cap hit of $36.75 mil. For 2025/26, the cap is expected to go to $92 million. The same 52% would be $47.84 million... suggesting if Tavares comes in under $11.09 million, we will have allocated LESS to the big four, than we did when everyone received their last contracts. So if we get Marner at $12 mil, and Tavares at $5-7 mil, we will be well below where we were last contract round with these guys.

True, basically just swapping JT and Nylanders AAV. However the issue I see is I would expect to get better performance from the big 4 over that previous contract period compared to the future one due to age. Especially with JT who could fall off a cliff and guys like Nylander who will be mid 30s for quite a few of those new contract years.

 

[PromisedLand]

I'm not even sure what you are going on about here.



I'm responding to this... provided you the link.

More than half of the leagues 2C's, by pay... are at $6 mil or under... that's just a fact. Only 33rd to 42 are above $6 mil.

As far as quality... Tavares is 21st in points, and Domi is 48th, which is extremely good value for his $3 mil.

Tavares at $6 mil for four years, should be extremely good value for us.

Some play 2Cs as RFAs (drafted by their own team); some play 2Cs as UFAs; some are 2Cs that may have signed the contract long ago.

You gotta factor in all of that includign the quality of 2C. You can't just make a blanket statement about 2C

 

[hamzarocks]

The AAV is still hard to swallow but this is a little bit of different perspective kind of helps.

Pasta had 2 hart finalist/level seasons (well 2020 and was having one during 2023) when he signed his deal

Nylander was no where near that before this year

Nylander has to be a top 5 winger to be worth his deal now

Both him and marner need to

 

[Evilhomer]

Wow. That's big money. I'm glad that Nylander is staying, and it should be manageable with a rising cap and the ELC depth we've accumulated, but that's quite a surprising number. Easily the worst of any of the homegrown core signings.

Seems like Treliving got a little blinded by Nylander's half-season pace... Let's hope Nylander keeps it up.

As long as they can sign bridge deals with Woll and Knies when they become RFAs, I don't think the Leafs will have overly significant cap challenges in the next couple of seasons. But it will probably mean a bare bones approach to goaltending cap allocation.

 

[Anthrax442]

Love him. 11.5 is what it is. I am happy we have the talent so we can whine about this kinda shit. Maybe they will win one day.

 

[Craig Button]

The AAV isnt terrible. The AAV for that term is terrible.

Yeah he should have just signed for like 4-5 years and when that contract is up he should sign another one at $13M+

 

[Ziggdiezan]

The AAV is still hard to swallow but this is a little bit of different perspective kind of helps.

Were all those calculated correctly? I.e. using the cap ceiling for the years the contracts kick in?

 

[PromisedLand]

Willy was drafted as a C, played C in juniors and the minors and with the Swedish team. He was pegged as our future 2C before the JT signing.

It also solves the problem of people whining about 'two 12M wingers'. (Yes someone here said that!)

If Willy plays as 2C thats a different story. I've wanted Willy to play Center for a while but both Babcock and Keefe haven't used him consistently as a center. Perhaps because Leafs already had Matthews/Kadri/Bozak and later Matthews/Kadri/Tavares and then now Matthews/Tavares

But really TBD.

 

[Ports]

It’s hard to argue with the number relative to what they paid Matthews on a four year deal. Build the team around him and Nyander. No more $10M+ forwards. They need to try and trade Marner this offseason for a top prospect and pick because his demand for Nylander money can’t be met and it will give them $11M to balance out their roster. JT on a value contra gives them another $4-5M to build with. Next season will be challenging cap wise but Brodie comes off the books and likely Samsanov. I wouldn’t be averse to a Woll -Jones tandem with Hildeby as a 3rd depth option which would free up some more cap space.