Confirmed with Link: Nylander signs extension of 8 years - 11.5M AAV

[Willchel Marlynder]

Unlikely he gets 13.14 from anyone, but are you suggesting he's playing the 8th. year for free in Toronto?

The more accurate calculation should be:

11.5*8 years = 92

X * 7 years = unknown
Y * 1 year = unknown.

Would any team go 12*7 (84), or 12.5*7 *87.5) ?

At age 35 would/could he land a contract for $7 or 8?

I think it is overpay, but he did make a commitment to Toronto.
He didn't give himself an out or option to re-up for more money after 4 years.

Have to agree with this. While I wish it was 7 years, this deal shows commitment to the Leafs. Only JT and Rielly have shown that same level of commitment so far.

Still just a tad bit to rich for me though. But glad we have Willy locked up

 

[MSZ]

 

[Craig Button]

30+ players will likely not be getting 13+mm

When they put up close to or more than 100 points they will

 

[Evilhomer]

I wish I had close to your level of optimism. I dont expect we see this core ever win a cup together but that just me and seeing how they fold under pressure every year in often increasingly embarrassing ways.

The playoffs are far too random to use the past as a useful predictor of the future. There is obviously no guarantee of winning, but it seems to me that the best strategy will always be accumulating as much talent as possible, because ultimately talent tends to prevail. The Leafs have a 5 year window, including this season, where they should have a realistic chance to win the Cup. As a fan, what more can you ask for?

 

[notDatsyuk]

also just to point out to people, JT is 25th in league scoring since joining the leafs and willy is 33rd in that same stretch.

people saying that JT is going to take 4 or 5 million are crazy imo.

Over the last 3+ seasons, Willy is 15th, JT is 29th.
Over the last 2+ seasons, Willy is 14th and JT is 32nd.
Over the last 1+ seasons, Willy is 12th and JT is 32nd.

But yes, pretend that what happened 5 or 6 years ago is more relevant than what's happening now.

Watching the games, it's obvious that Willy is carrying JT more and more.

People saying that JT will get more than 4 or 5 are crazy.

 

[BertCorbeau]

here we go

Honestly happy for Willy. He took a lot of criticism over the years but has put in the work and results.

Now will he keep it up with his new payday? I’m skeptical but we’ll see.

Personally I think it’s $1-1.5 mill too high in AAV… but that seems to be the Shanaplan’s MO.

 

[Leafidelity]

remember when we were only allowed to have one superstar on our team or before Gilmour we had none.

Man those were the best days.

Man... we were so cap savvy back then. Our books must have been so balanced.

 

[nuck]

I know I am going to get flamed but for 11 million we needed a player that brings something different

We have too many core players that play a very similar game. Something that hasn't worked out too well

Has a very Oilers feel to it

Yes. They present the same package every night out because that is Leaf hockey and if the other team goes along with it they win most nights. Ideally more spent on D but failing that some kind of more physical two way type up front. This move was made on the basis the Dubas plan can still work in the playoffs. Unfortunately it will take a losing streak for a different coach to have a chance to prove that is possible. WN's a good player and if everyone gets hot at the same time they will be hard to stop. Lets hope that can start aroud game 75.

 

[notDatsyuk]

I’m at work and I’m not going through cap friendly right now. But I’d venture to say more than half the leagues 2C is at 6 mill or under.

Which once again points out how bad the Tavares signing was!

 

[BertCorbeau]

How he got more than Pasta is a decision

No wonder it was a smooth process. Trev probably didn’t want to lose him to FA, so he didn’t negotiate very hard.

 

[hotpaws]

not surprised since JT/AM/MM squeezed for every penny

they should have given Rielly the C for being the only one reasonable in contract negotiations

anywho , welcome back Willie , rather have you back at 11.5m than trading or letting you walk

need to get JT to waive so we don't burn another year with our core

 

[Dayjobdave]

insert lube joke here.....

 

[WillyC]

At least he won’t be going off and winning Stanley Cups, elsewhere.

 

[Blanche Blanche]

I’m ok with this as long as Marner doesn’t receive a penny more than Willy.

Marner shouldn’t be a leaf going forward

 

[djdev]

Over the last 3+ seasons, Willy is 15th, JT is 29th.
Over the last 2+ seasons, Willy is 14th and JT is 32nd.
Over the last 1+ seasons, Willy is 12th and JT is 32nd.

But yes, pretend that what happened 5 or 6 years ago is more relevant than what's happening now.

Watching the games, it's obvious that Willy is carrying JT more and more.

People saying that JT will get more than 4 or 5 are crazy.

ye try going to a ppg player and telling him hes gonna make 4-5 million on his next deal cuz "willy carried him" see how that goes for you.

 

[Oscar Peterson]

Over the last 3+ seasons, Willy is 15th, JT is 29th.
Over the last 2+ seasons, Willy is 14th and JT is 32nd.
Over the last 1+ seasons, Willy is 12th and JT is 32nd.

But yes, pretend that what happened 5 or 6 years ago is more relevant than what's happening now.

Watching the games, it's obvious that Willy is carrying JT more and more.

People saying that JT will get more than 4 or 5 are crazy.

Well I think it’s likely he gets more than that but to think that he’s the same calibre of player as Nylander right now would be pretty delusional

 

[PROUD PAPA]

if leafs don’t win with this core , the city will be complaining about the big four forever. need a cup. fast

Some will but somehow there are still a lot of fans who think they're on the right track overpaying players who have proven they can't get it done in the playoffs. As long as management keeps the golden girls in the fold they're fine.

 

[Punch Drunk Loov]

Alright guys, time to discuss Marner, then JT, then Matthews again

 

[Fogelhund]

Some play 2Cs as RFAs (drafted by their own team); some play 2Cs as UFAs; some are 2Cs that may have signed the contract long ago.

You gotta factor in all of that includign the quality of 2C. You can't just make a blanket statement about 2C

One in that range is a RFA by pay, the rest are UFA... I think that's pretty representative.

Cap hits are between 9-5.4%, of the cap when signed.

In terms of when Tavares would sign, assuming $92 mil as the cap, that is $8.28 at the highest end, $4.968 at the lowest.

I mean, continue to spin if you want... you doubted that many 2C were below $6 mil... clearly, you were wrong.

 

[Confucius]

We pay for the player who can stand the heat in this pressure cooker market other teams can get by with players who don’t want to come here because they can’t take the heat.

 

[Craig Button]

Marner shouldn’t be a leaf going forward

He will be

 

[hotpaws]

also just to point out to people, JT is 25th in league scoring since joining the leafs and willy is 33rd in that same stretch.

people saying that JT is going to take 4 or 5 million are crazy imo.

yeah JT gets his but he's totally dependent on his linemates to drive the play and create offensive opportunities for him

he's now basically reduced to just being a net front presence that you have to shelter defensively , i really don't want him back for even 4/5m since it would be to much trouble trying to find ways for him to be useful

 

[sxvnert]

Next step is removing Tavares and his 11m from the equation and start rebuilding around Matthews/Marner/Nylander with youth. If Tavares refuses to waive then give the C to Matthews and start him on the third line.

 

[Sypher04]

Teams barely win with a 10m winger. I think the only team was the Caps with OV. Imagine trying to win with 2 12m wingers.

Dumb plan.

Thats merely a function of there not being many of them yet. As salaries are escalating with the cap $10M+ wingers are only going to be come more and more common and winning with them will come along with it

I do think centers are more valuable generally than wingers but the barometer really should be whether the player is an elite play driver.

 

[Egghead1999]

It’s hard to argue with the number relative to what they paid Matthews on a four year deal. Build the team around him and Nyander. No more $10M+ forwards. They need to try and trade Marner this offseason for a top prospect and pick because his demand for Nylander money can’t be met and it will give them $11M to balance out their roster. JT on a value contra gives them another $4-5M to build with. Next season will be challenging cap wise but Brodie comes off the books and likely Samsanov. I wouldn’t be averse to a Woll -Jones tandem with Hildeby as a 3rd depth option which would free up some more cap space.

comes off the book means nothing when you need to find a player(s) to replace them. If Jones holds the current position until the end of the season, he will not ask for less than 1M AAV like this season. Next season we should see many 1 yr "reclamation" projects (am I using the right words ??) in the Leafs' roster unless they can move MM.