Rumor: Nylander like Matthews unextended. Nothing to see here.

[PROUD PAPA]

Wow some of you are laying the boots to each other over nothing but rumors and hearsay.
Wait for some facts my friends.

 

[andora]

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Yup Marner was $1.65m better than Rantanen after their first three years. Ranta also busier scoring more goals (80 to 67). Seriously who takes Marner @ 10.893 x 6 over Ranta @ 9.25m x 8 ?

Let me preface this by saying i would take rantanen the player not just the contraxt over marner 100% and would have made the same bet colorado did at the time

I am going on what one side of the debate uses as a primary factor over pay rates - primary point production 5on5. Marner out produced rantanen in this area..

One correction i need to make that i said.. regarding the 30 cap era post elc winger contracts - marnee was 11th highest pay per primary point i said the wrong number earlier remembering the wrong ranking. Interesting names paid more than marner are vanek, svechnikov, thomas and parise.. interesting names marner is paid more than.. both tkachuks, pastrnak, gaudreau.

Jason robertson was the cheapest

Did you bother to look this up?

Marner: 82 games, 26 goals, 94 points, new contract $10.9 x 6
Rantanen: 74 games, 31 goals, 87 points, new contract $9.25 x 6

Rantanen projected to 82 games: 34 goals, 96 points
Rantanen signed after waiting out Mitch's new contract.
Yet, Mitch's contract is 18% higher.

It was based on primary point production at even strength.. sorry should have been more clear

 

[Golden_Jet]

Marner is worth more than 9.5 x 8. Tkachuk got that deal with one 100 point season and zero other PPG+ seasons.

Actually back to back 100 point+, and b2b 40 goal seasons

 

[Gabriel426]

To those cap expert, can players have a contract that instead of being an actual number like 11mil but make it the % of the cap, thus when the cap goes up so would their salary?

 

[Golden_Jet]

To those cap expert, can players have a contract that instead of being an actual number like 11mil but make it the % of the cap, thus when the cap goes up so would their salary?

No is the simple answer, not allowed.
All cap hits are listed in % on capfriendly at time of signing.

 

[William Hylander]

Who gives a f*** what Dubas did or didn't promise, he's gone.

Some people are just mad they don't have a job being under Dubas desk anymore.

 

[Gabriel426]

No is the simple answer, not allowed.
All cap hits are listed in % on capfriendly at time of signing.

Thanks, just curious that’s all

 

[A1LeafNation]

8.88m x 8 years (71m) for Nylander and I tell him that offer is there unless we traded you. You kind of have to play Chicken with him.

He risks getting injured, risks having a bad year, risks another team having to offer 10.25m x 7 years (72m) to top the Leafs deal. I don't see a contender offering that. I don't see a bottom feeder making that deal.

A team has to offer equal value for Nylander for Leafs to accept a trade. I see Nylander taking 8.88m per regardless of his feelings. It's the best deal he will get.

Treliving is negotiating against himself if he goes any higher.

 

[ToneDog]

Actually back to back 100 point+, and b2b 40 goal seasons

Here a soft winger scoring 40 goals for the first time and 20+ points behind MT wants 10.5m because his soft playmaking teammate makes much more than him. Sorry Marner no longer gets you Tkachuk so no way in hell is Marner @ 10.893x6 worth more than Tkachuk @ 9.5mx8. Lunacy.

 

[ACC1224]

Yes he can, as he already has M-NTC for 23/24.
I was referring to his prior contract.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Marner had a better rookie season.
Rantanen had a VASTLY superior second season.
Rantanen had a slightly better third season.

Rantanen wasn't better in any of the ELC seasons, and was significantly worse in years 1 and 3. He was the 2nd best player on his line, playing on a super-line, and he still couldn't produce like Marner. He just got pumped full of huge amounts of PP time and picked up some empty net points, and people got an inflated perception of what he was back then.

 

[ACC1224]

Yes he can, as he already has M-NTC for 23/24.

Was referring to his previous contract

 

[ACC1224]

It doesn't matter. Let Matthews and Marner take that up with the NHL/NHLPA and Ontario Province for their hard cap and high taxes. As long as the NHL operates with a hard cap -- and the Leafs and Panthers are limited to the same number -- Leafs players will take home less, period. That's life if you want to make tens of millions playing hockey for the Toronto Maple Leafs.

If Auston Matthews signed a 12.5 mil x 8 year deal tonight it would pay him 100 million before he could sign another lucrative contract at age 33. This is on top of the 65 million he's already made. You seriously expect people to side with greedy af Matthews because of Matt Tkachuk's "take home pay" in Florida? Lmao. 165 million in pay, plus another deal down the line, and this kid is trying to drain the Leafs dry.

"Wah, I wanna be the highest paid ever."

"Wah, I only want a five year deal so I can get more when the cap increases."

"Oh, you expect me to play better in the playoffs? Nah, I'm good."

Trade him.

You ok? A/C not working?

 

[IPS]

Rantanen wasn't better in any of the ELC seasons, and was significantly worse in years 1 and 3. He was the 2nd best player on his line, playing on a super-line, and he still couldn't produce like Marner. He just got pumped full of huge amounts of PP time and picked up some empty net points, and people got an inflated perception of what he was back then.

Significantly worse . Chill out with the hyperbole once in awhile, my god. Rantanen's fantastic, you just love to shit on other players to prop up Leafs players / Dubas' terrible contracts.

 

[ToneDog]

Significantly worse . Chill out with the hyperbole once in awhile, my god. Rantanen's fantastic, you just love to shit on other players to prop up Leafs players / Dubas' terrible contracts.

Some of us might take him seriously if he did not.

 

[Lightsol]

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Yup Marner was $1.65m better than Rantanen after their first three years. Ranta also busier scoring more goals (80 to 67). Seriously who takes Marner @ 10.893 x 6 over Ranta @ 9.25m x 8 ?

I mean, it's not like one player spent most of that time on the wing of an emerging franchise player and the other one had to play with two guys the fanbase wanted out of town ASAP for a large chunk of that...

 

[supermann_98]

Rantanen wasn't better in any of the ELC seasons, and was significantly worse in years 1 and 3. He was the 2nd best player on his line, playing on a super-line, and he still couldn't produce like Marner. He just got pumped full of huge amounts of PP time and picked up some empty net points, and people got an inflated perception of what he was back then.

Kind of like Marner and his huge amounts of PP time, not to mention all his secondary assists?

 

[andora]

Thanks, just curious that’s all

That would be a wonderful exploratory topic to dig in to and could be a rea game changer

 

[Menzinger]

Yes but people seem to think it was an iron clad blood oath for the rest of Dubas mortal life when it was a promise to not be sign-and-traded and vague platitudes about not being in the business of trading young players for the rest of the deal.

But no apparently if Kyle stayed GM for 20 years like Lou or Trotz, we’d be bound by verbal NMC honor to play a 50 year old Nylander.

Friedman (or LeBrun?) has even flat out said the so called "promise" was only meant to disuade Nylander of a sign and trade scenario. Not a promise that Nylander would retire a leaf lol

 

[Golden_Jet]

Was referring to his previous contract

7 years played, or age 27

22 game season wasn’t enough games played to count as part of 7, the rest count.

 

[Gabriel426]

That would be a wonderful exploratory topic to dig in to and could be a rea game changer

It would be a game changer for the league.

 

[andora]

It would be a game changer for the league.

It could be bloody aqesome specifically for locking in home grown talent and allows you to pay on many metrics and incentives

 

[Gabriel426]

It could be bloody aqesome specifically for locking in home grown talent and allows you to pay on many metrics and incentives

Wonder why the league or PA doesn't allow that. Can see teams do that with top players.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Significantly worse . Chill out with the hyperbole once in awhile, my god.

It's not hyperbole.

Rantanen's fantastic

Rantanen is a very good player. That doesn't change that he was worse than Marner through his ELC.

Kind of like Marner and his huge amounts of PP time, not to mention all his secondary assists?

Not really sure what you're talking about.
Through their ELCs, Rantanen averaged a whole minute more of PP time per game, and had a greater proportion of his points be secondary assists.

 

[Buds17]

Wonder why the league or PA doesn't allow that. Can see teams do that with top players.

It'd be good for the players (assuming the cap never goes down), but it would lead to uncertainty for the GMs (won't truly know how much players will be on the books for until the cap numbers are released).