Rumor: Nylander like Matthews unextended. Nothing to see here.

[egd27]

LOL. How many times has our 100 point $11m winger, selke finalist hit 100 points? Can't wait for your spin.

I'll bet on how he was "robbed" of the assist in Game 79 vs the Habs,


edit.....it was the "on pace for" spin.

Glad I don't have any of those gambling apps

 

[notDatsyuk]

I gave you the reason. Nylander is not on the Marner tier. Nobody has valued them as equals offensively for years.

I didn't ask if Nylander was "on the Marner tier". Why would you quote my post if you were going to make a statement that was completely unrelated?

 

[Martin Skoula]

Unless you are calling Willie a liar.

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So the literal quotes from the GM are:

“A fear of his that he was being signed to be traded.. I just affirmed that that was not our intention”

“Our intention was that as long as I was here that I saw him as part of the Leafs”

“I don’t think we want to get into the business of having young core pieces.. and moving them”

So a bunch of lawyer speak that they don’t “intend” to move him. I don’t “intend” to sell my Porsche but if the house burns down I may be forced to.

Answer one simple question, if you think Kyle swore a blood oath to never ever trade Nylander no matter what happens, why did he give him a partial NTC while he gave the other two full NMCs?

If he will never trade Nylander anyway, give him the full NMC in exchange for a 100k less on the cap hit.

 

[Racer88]

Seemed appropriate as you have absolutely nothing to back up your pipe dream.


FYP.

I’m old……what does FYP stand for.lol

 

[ShameOnYouZidlicky]

My preference is to keep Nylander, however if he is not willing to take anything under 9.5 million I'd trade him + Timmins for an extended Pesce + Jarvis. Pesce is a perfect partner for Rielly and is capable of playing top line minutes. That allows Brodie to slide down with Klingberg who would really stabilize him. It also gives the team an overqualified bottom pair and lets Giordano have more load management throughout the year. The team defense would be perfect 1 through 7.

Jarvis is a great cost-controlled piece who I think has top line potential.

Nylander goes to Carolina where he has potential to be the best player on a Stanley Cup contender.

If the Leafs can also dump Murray's contract that gives them around 2-2.5 mil in cap space to sign another piece (assuming Samsonov is signed at 3-3.5 mil). Adding another 3/4 centre to help with Kampf would make the team even more balanced.

Domi Matthews Jarnkrok
Bertuzzi Tavares Marner
Knies Kampf Jarvis
Lafferty Suter/Sundqvist Reaves

Rielly Pesce
Brodie Klingberg
McCabe Liljegren
Giordano

Samsonov
Woll

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

So the literal quotes from the GM are:

“A fear of his that he was being signed to be traded.. I just affirmed that that was not our intention”

“Our intention was that as long as I was here that I saw him as part of the Leafs”

“I don’t think we want to get into the business of having young core pieces.. and moving them”

So a bunch of lawyer speak that they don’t “intend” to move him. I don’t “intend” to sell my Porsche but if the house burns down I may be forced to.

Answer one simple question, if you think Kyle swore a blood oath to never ever trade Nylander no matter what happens, why did he give him a partial NTC while he gave the other two full NMCs?

If he will never trade Nylander anyway, give him the full NMC in exchange for a 100k less on the cap hit.

forgot this one:
"The whole time I’m here until they kick me out one day, William is a part of the group"

 

[Gabriel426]

I apologize for the way it looked , I did try to seperate the two topics in my post , the board likes to combine consecutive responses automatically do I just tried to do it myself by starting a new paragraph . The Marner stuff was in response to the myriad of other posters not your post specifically , in fact I agree with pretty much everything you have said , the posts just got conflated .

All good bro.

 

[Martin Skoula]

forgot this one:
"The whole time I’m here until they kick me out one day, William is a part of the group"

Well not part of the group that gets actual full trade protection. He must be part of a different undefined group.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Marner is better. Nylander cant play his best with Tavares vice versa. Marner can. Nylander has been miss used way more. He would probably not catch Mitch in points anyway.

Dont care enough to look up how much difference second assist would make. I guess both Marner and more so Nylander make a fair share of those. And the point difference might be the same or bigger anyway.
But i absolutly think goals are worth more then second assist every day in the week.

Non of this matter because the besties are going to have to loose in the first round without Nylander. Hope the return are enough to get further in the playoffs.

There is so much randomness in first or second assists that the whole argument is silly.

Just two examples from the Florida series:

Nylander carries the puck into the zone, draws two players to him, and feeds a wide open Marner for a quick pass to a wide open Matthews for an easy goal. Goal by Matty, first assist by Mitch, second assist by Nylander.

Brodie (?) takes the puck off a Panther and passes it up ice, it tips off Tavares' stick and Nylander picks it up, skates into the zone, and scores. First assist by Tavares who just happened to touch the puck, second assist to Brodie.

In both cases it could easily be argued that the second assist was the more important one. Sometimes the third assist is the critical one.

 

[ACC1224]

There is so much randomness in first or second assists that the whole argument is silly.

Just two examples from the Florida series:

Nylander carries the puck into the zone, draws two players to him, and feeds a wide open Marner for a quick pass to a wide open Matthews for an easy goal. Goal by Matty, first assist by Mitch, second assist by Nylander.

Brodie (?) takes the puck off a Panther and passes it up ice, it tips off Tavares' stick and Nylander picks it up, skates into the zone, and scores. First assist by Tavares who just happened to touch the puck, second assist to Brodie.

In both cases it could easily be argued that the second assist was the more important one. Sometimes the third assist is the critical one.

Discounting 2nd assists has always been a pretty silly take around here.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Well not part of the group that gets actual full trade protection. He must be part of a different undefined group.

Yeah, it's called the team. Unless you think he meant group of players that he's happy to trade at any time, it's extremely obvious he publicly promised that Nylander would be a Leaf for as long as Dubas was there

 

[Its not your fault]

Seems reasonable to ask.

 

[Martin Skoula]

Yeah, it's called the team. Unless you think he meant group of players that he's happy to trade at any time, it's extremely obvious he publicly promised that Nylander would be a Leaf for as long as Dubas was there

Man I really hope you guys don’t use this kind of thinking when you vote.

“it’s not my intention to raise taxes” is not the same as signing a tax freeze bill into law. Stop falling for lawyer speak lol, it’s very obvious how deliberate Dubas was talking about his intentions and not actually directly saying he won’t trade him. Normal people don’t preface everything with “it’s my intention to” unless they have an explicit reason for it.

Especially when he literally has to ask him for a list of teams he can be traded to on July 1st.

 

[Notsince67]

I didn't ask if Nylander was "on the Marner tier". Why would te my post if you were going to make a statement that was completely unrelated?

Dude. Are you gaslighting?

Post in thread 'Friedman "believes William Nylander will not take less $ if he thinks no one else will. If others take less, so will he"' Rumor: - Friedman "believes William Nylander will not take less $ if he thinks no one else will. If others take less, so will he"

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Man I really hope you guys don’t use this kind of thinking when you vote.

“it’s not my intention to raise taxes” is not the same as signing a tax freeze bill into law. Stop falling for lawyer speak lol, it’s very obvious how deliberate Dubas was talking about his intentions and not actually saying he won’t trade him.

Especially when he literally has to ask him for a list of teams he can be traded to on July 1st.

Where was the word intention in the quote I showed you? It would he more like "as long as I'm prime minister until voters kick me out one day, taxes will never increase". I just don't really see why you're being so disingenuous about it, you're just denying that he made a public promise for the sake of it

 

[Gary Nylund]

I’m old……what does FYP stand for.lol

I'm old too but ... FYP = Fixed Your Post.

I changed "winner" to "winger".

 

[Racer88]

I'm old too but ... FYP = Fixed Your Post.

I changed "winner" to "winger".

Ahhhh an oversight on my part ……thx

 

[Martin Skoula]

Where was the word intention in the quote I showed you? It would he more like "as long as I'm prime minister until voters kick me out one day, taxes will never increase". I just don't really see why you're being so disingenuous about it, you're just denying that he made a public promise for the sake of it

What’s so hard about being direct about not trading him? “As long as I’m here he’s part of the group” is absolutely meaningless fluff. If Nylander sleeps with someone’s wife and is no longer “part of the group” is the “verbal NTC” rescinded?

We have different standards for what a promise is, intentions and deliberately vague platitudes are not something I would rely on especially when the party making the promise had the opportunity to put the promise into legally binding text and instead offered me a 10-team no trade.

Somehow the legally binding text is less indicative of their situation than Kyle’s intentions. I’m sure you have a great explanation for the lack of NMC.

 

[Gary Nylund]

So the literal quotes from the GM are:

“A fear of his that he was being signed to be traded.. I just affirmed that that was not our intention”

“Our intention was that as long as I was here that I saw him as part of the Leafs”

“I don’t think we want to get into the business of having young core pieces.. and moving them”

So a bunch of lawyer speak that they don’t “intend” to move him. I don’t “intend” to sell my Porsche but if the house burns down I may be forced to.

Answer one simple question, if you think Kyle swore a blood oath to never ever trade Nylander no matter what happens, why did he give him a partial NTC while he gave the other two full NMCs?

If he will never trade Nylander anyway, give him the full NMC in exchange for a 100k less on the cap hit.

IMHO all these quotes are his way of spinning it to make it sound like maybe he didn't make that promise without explicitly saying that he didn't because that would be a lie and he can't really lie about it. Basically he was just obfuscating as he realized making the promise was really stupid.

Anyhow, believe what you like but I heard him interviewed on radio the next day while driving home from work and it was clear to me from the interview that he did make the promise. I was happy they asked him about the promise point blank because it was the only question I was really interested in as it was IMHO such a dumb promise to make so ... I was listening very carefully when he answered and while I don't remember his exact words after all these years, he did confirm that he did make that promise though it sounded like he hated admitting it. The way the question was phrased simply left him no way to spin out of it.

 

[X66]

I'd personally only sign Nylander for 3-4 years, that gives you 4-5 more years of him(since his current contract is still on-going this year)

He's already 27 years old, don't want to commit longer than that.

 

[ACC1224]

Who gives a f*** what Dubas did or didn't promise, he's gone.

 

[Martin Skoula]

IMHO all these quotes are his way of spinning it to make it sound like maybe he didn't make that promise without explicitly saying that he didn't because that would be a lie and he can't really lie about it. Basically he was just obfuscating as he realized making the promise was really stupid.

Anyhow, believe what you like but I heard him interviewed on radio the next day while driving home from work and it was clear to me from the interview that he did make the promise. I was happy they asked him about the promise point blank because it was the only question I was really interested in as it was IMHO such a dumb promise to make so ... I was listening very carefully when he answered and while I don't remember his exact words after all these years, he did confirm that he did make that promise though it sounded like he hated admitting it. The way the question was phrased simply left him no way to spin out of it.

That’s great and all but there’s been a cult desperate to prove this verbal NMC and they haven’t been able to pull up any direct yes or no answer, just vague intentions. Dubas already takes the flack from people thinking this is real, why not just straight up admit it at this point?

Again, why would Nylander sign a deal without the NMC if this was the real agreement. It’s like saying it’s your intention to always stay faithful to your wife in your vows but also asking her to sign off on a list 20 women you’re allowed to sleep with.

 

[ToneDog]

Hoping Matthews will take 8x12 and Willy 8x7.5-8

You got a better chance to win the lottery, go on a date with Taylor Swift, and get hit by lightning all on the same day. LOL.

So the literal quotes from the GM are:

“A fear of his that he was being signed to be traded.. I just affirmed that that was not our intention”

“Our intention was that as long as I was here that I saw him as part of the Leafs”

“I don’t think we want to get into the business of having young core pieces.. and moving them”

So a bunch of lawyer speak that they don’t “intend” to move him. I don’t “intend” to sell my Porsche but if the house burns down I may be forced to.

Answer one simple question, if you think Kyle swore a blood oath to never ever trade Nylander no matter what happens, why did he give him a partial NTC while he gave the other two full NMCs?

If he will never trade Nylander anyway, give him the full NMC in exchange for a 100k less on the cap hit.

OK so Wilie saying he told him means nothing. Yes Dubas sugar coated it but at the end of the day, Willie is still here and Dubas is not.

 

[andora]

10.9x6, eh? Was Marner paid as a 65 point player or a 90 point player? If Marner scored around 65 points again his final elc year, would he have gotten anywhere CLOSE to 10.9x6? No? So it was the ONE 90 point season that inflated his contract so much?

Dekes for days: "Players aren't paid based on one inflated year." Lol, can't make this stuff up.

Watching this spin is SOOO entertaining. I often get popcorn ready to eat when engaging in conversation with you.

He was paid based some the trendy metrics and production rates however out of approx 30 salary cap post ELC notable contracts for wingers we paid him the 7th highest rate for that production..

Rantanen had 55 goals and 105 points last year. The guy who is supposedly not as good as Marner. The Marner contract was such a joke that the rest of the league chose to ignore it. Rantanen waited out the Marner deal, wisely, but his team still told him not happening. Rantanen ended up signing for $9.25.

I don't know what Pittsburgh is smoking paying Dubas big money. He's a joke and he did so much damage to the Leafs. But I don't really like Pittsburgh, so I find it hilarious.

Rantanen did not produce at the same rate as marner and this post elc contract paid him the 3rd highest relative to production out of the above mention pool of examples - however in rantanens case colorado bet correctly as he has become a easily top 10 winger in the game arguably top 5

 

[ToneDog]

IMHO all these quotes are his way of spinning it to make it sound like maybe he didn't make that promise without explicitly saying that he didn't because that would be a lie and he can't really lie about it. Basically he was just obfuscating as he realized making the promise was really stupid.

Anyhow, believe what you like but I heard him interviewed on radio the next day while driving home from work and it was clear to me from the interview that he did make the promise. I was happy they asked him about the promise point blank because it was the only question I was really interested in as it was IMHO such a dumb promise to make so ... I was listening very carefully when he answered and while I don't remember his exact words after all these years, he did confirm that he did make that promise though it sounded like he hated admitting it. The way the question was phrased simply left him no way to spin out of it.

You must have misheard.