Rumor: Nylander like Matthews unextended. Nothing to see here.

[Stephen]

Anyone else find the Jonas Siegel article on the Athletic on the Matthews/Nylander contract talks totally embarrassing? Spinning 14 million as a discount for AM. Comical.

I don’t even understand why they throw out astronomical numbers like that and play the cap rising game, amortization piece. It’s so out of line with normal NHL teams.

 

[The Iceman]

Willy statistically is due a big raise
BUT
The way the team is structured they can not afford to pay him UFA market value.

That is why I see a sign and trade in his future.

 

[trellaine201]

I bet if we spent under the cap we would be more successful LMAO

 

[hullsy47]

I don't know how many times people have said to me "aren't you a Leafs fan?" after I share my feelings on this current edition of the Leafs.

Ya just because4

Detroit media all over Yzerman. I think detroit is a fit

Willy statistically is due a big raise
BUT
The way the team is structured they can not afford to pay him UFA market value.

That is why I see a sign and trade in his future.

 

[notDatsyuk]

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This is the reason we’re on this mess.

Don't blame him - blame the guy who signed him when he wasn't what we needed, to a contract that was too big, too long, and shouldn't have included an NMC.

 

[EGL22]

Why not go to Nylander agent and give him permission to talk to other teams to see if any will give him the 9 plus he’s looking for.

He will easily find teams that would pay.

Those same teams would also be willing to give as much as a B prospect and 3rd rd pick to get him at that amount.

Or they could just wait and see if he is dealt or signed and if not wait until next year and not give up any assets and give him his 9.

 

[nuck]

The most common winning team makeup I know is the following...

1 Top 7 Tender in the league
1 Top 10 Forward in the league
1 Top 10 Defender is pretty much a must

Then around that it usually comes down to depth so the team that does best at contracts and brings in people with genuine desire / self sacrifice type qualities to win takes it.

There is also luck because you need all your best players to catch fire at the same time to get it done. Especially the tender.

Decent coach too.

 

[EGL22]

Anyone else find the Jonas Siegel article on the Athletic on the Matthews/Nylander contract talks totally embarrassing? Spinning 14 million as a discount for AM. Comical.

Whenever I see Seigal's name pop up I know it will be something funny or stupid or both.
The only guy worse than him was Simmons.
He was also a leader in the Dubas Cult and I was hoping he went to Pittsburgh to join him.

 

[hockeywiz542]

According to Nick Kypreos:

- the Toronto Maple Leafs want William Nylander signed, sealed, and delivered for the next 5, 7, or 8 years

talked to one NHL team:

- the Toronto Maple Leafs are not taking calls on William Nylander right now

- William Nylander wants to sign a contract in the vicinity of $70 million to $80 million

- the Toronto Maple Leafs will tell William Nylander that if he doesn't fall into their slot, then he will not sign here

- if William Nylander is traded in exchange for two or three 1st round draft picks and other future assets in return, you might be able to get a $7 million defenceman in return whether it is via trade or free agency

- the Toronto Maple Leafs could trade the acquired 1st round draft picks for good NHL players at the trade deadline

- trading William Nylander would open a $7 million contract slot for the Toronto Maple Leafs

- if William Nylander is traded, would the Toronto Maple Leafs consider signing Dmitry Orlov for $7 million per year for 5 years?

- the Toronto Maple Leafs could replace some of William Nylander’s goal scoring by acquiring Kailer Yamamoto, Blake Wheeler, Matt Duchene, or Max Pacioretty in free agency this year

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

He obviously thinks/knows he could have gotten more on open market. If it comes out that Willy or Matthews sign and make a similar statement, or something comes from Friedge or CJ that he took less, then I'll give them their due.

But so far the only numbers we're hearing are somewhere between 9.5-10.5 and Nylander is not 1.7m better than Meier. Plenty on this board were wishing we could fit him in at the deadline because of his decent physical presence, especially in comparison to our soft stars.

Hell, I'd absolutely take Meier over Nylander at the same cap hit for his better size alone and physical presence alone. I couldn't care less that Nylander is a better playmaker and skater with better defensive microstats (though Meier is no defensive slouch himself). Nylanders also got a micro-set when things get tough and is 2nd only to Marner in terms of complete lack of physical presence, all that to go along with his mega ego, so I'd say good riddance.

That said, I wish it was Marner in this situation because he's the one Leaf I want launched more than anyone, greater even than Kerfoot or Holl.

I do wish our players had a greater interest in creating flexibility for the team rather than enriching themselves, but I don't really think Meier is the best example of a guy doing that. I also don't think it's fair to lump our star players all together into a core 4 like people often do.

Tavares is an obvious outlier since he signed as a UFA, and it was the Leafs decision to overpay for his services to entice him into coming here. He's not worth his contract, but we all know this would happen and he's doing the best he can.

Nylander is also a different story, since he signed for an extremely reasonable deal after the Leafs tried their hardest to lowball him. It wasn't an amazing discount, but he certainly could have gotten more. He's also a guy who always shows up in the playoffs and makes way less than the other 3. He even makes less than Morgan Rielly now. For a 40 goal scorer who finds ways to contribute when it counts, you really can't complain too much. Even now, his ask isn't egregious with the way the cap will go up.

Then we come to Matthews and Marner, who are unique not just for the Leafs but for star players across the league. Not much more to say about them

 

[nuck]

He will easily find teams that would pay.

Those same teams would also be willing to give as much as a B prospect and 3rd rd pick to get him at that amount.

Or they could just wait and see if he is dealt or signed and if not wait until next year and not give up any assets and give him his 9.

Toffoli got more than that and he's 31. Why would Willie get any less than Meier? Any clubs that aren't paying $35M to three other forwards can afford a slight overpay. I think there would be a lot of solid interest in him with a full cheap year and the inside track on extending him.

 

[Marshy]

Whenever I see Seigal's name pop up I know it will be something funny or stupid or both.
The only guy worse than him was Simmons.
He was also a leader in the Dubas Cult and I was hoping he went to Pittsburgh to join him.

Looks like he's trying to get on Tre's good side as early as possible. Gotta show him he's a good team shill so he can get those news scoops.

 

[EGL22]

If we could get 3 1st rd picks and end up with Orlov then beam me up Scotty! Bye Willy.

But fairy tales are just that,not going to happen.

Kipper is dreaming.

 

[AvroArrow]

Sure I get that. But on the other hand, I thought he "broke through" last year when he played quite well against TB even though we lost. Then this year, he again played well. But then against Florida, he kind of sucked again.

From a guy who takes up that kind of cap space, I need more consistent performance in the playoffs. Him playing well one series, then sucking the next, then breaking through again and then sucking again, that's just not good enough. I have no doubt he'll again be fantastic at times in the playoffs, I just don't feel like he's someone we can count on to do so consistently.

Marner's better than Nylander but when it comes to bang for the buck, Nylander's been better to this point. Can't be sure what the case will be going forward as of course it depends on what their cap hits are and how they play. All we can be sure of at this point is that Marner's cap hit will be bigger, we just don't know how big that gap will be. It wouldn't surprise me if they traded Nylander because he's asking for too much but then we sign Marner for a bigger overpayment than Nylander would have been and that would be a pukeworthy outcome indeed.

I think Nylander gets 10, not because he's worth 10 but because that's the precedent that's been set here in Toronto.

Couldn't agree more with this. I'm basing my decision off the assumption that Nylander is getting 10M, I'd rather take Marner at 12 vs Nylander at 10, although both deals would suck. To me if I could put a $ value on their difference in production, I'd say about $2.5.

 

[the Mighty Oak]

I love Nylander and would like to keep him, but I’m so tired of people using even strength production as their main argument

Guess what, scoring on the powerplay results in 1 goal. Scoring at even strength results in 1 goal. They both result in one goal.

We’ve literally lost countless series due to an anemic powerplay yet people consistently discount it when discussing players. I’ll take a powerplay merchant like Kucherov any day

You need even strength production power. plays is a bonus.

 

[Throw More Waffles]

Nylander is a couple points shy of coming off of a 40 goal/90 point season playing the vast majority of the season on the second line.

On the open market he'd EASILY get 10+. I see no reason why he'd take a discount while the other star players on the team fight tooth and claw for every single solitary last penny.

This culture problem seeps through the team. Why the hell would Nylander take a discount when he knows it will just get added into the pockets of Matthews and Marner?

 

[Gary Nylund]

I think Nylander gets 10, not because he's worth 10 but because that's the precedent that's been set here in Toronto.

Couldn't agree more with this. I'm basing my decision off the assumption that Nylander is getting 10M, I'd rather take Marner at 12 vs Nylander at 10, although both deals would suck. To me if I could put a $ value on their difference in production, I'd say about $2.5.

Jeez I sure hope you're wrong about paying Nylander 10. Then again, if they pay him 10, Matthews somewhere around 13 and move Marner, that might be OK. I don't think they'll ever trade Marner though, just a gut feeling. I kind of get it too, trading away someone with all that talent is a scary proposition, not too many people have the balls to pull the trigger on a deal like that. I guess I feel like 10 is a bit of an overpayment, maybe it's better to overpay him a bit than to trade him cause as a rental, you're not going to get that much back. But then if you overpay him a bit, you probably have to overpay M&M as well so that's where it becomes a big problem to which the solution might be to trade Marner. I feel like I'm going around in circles now so I'll just stop.

Anyhow, re. the bolded I'd say that sounds about right all things considered. If we could pay Willie 9, Marner 11.5 and Matthews 12.7, that would be OK. And then pray the cap starts shooting up like a rocket.

You need even strength production power. plays is a bonus.

A goals a goal. You need production period, doesn't matter where it comes from.

 

[Deebo]

Would be akin to the Flyers trading both Richards and Carter when they did.

Hasn't really worked out for the Flyers.

In the 12 seasons since those trades, both Carter and Richards won 2 stanley cups with the Kings, Carter after another trade.

The Flyers have won 2 playoff rounds and missed the playoffs 7 times and are rebuiliding.

 

[sunstersun]

8x9 and call it a day.

 

[Kurtz]

Nylander is a couple points shy of coming off of a 40 goal/90 point season playing the vast majority of the season on the second line.

On the open market he'd EASILY get 10+. I see no reason why he'd take a discount while the other star players on the team fight tooth and claw for every single solitary last penny.

This culture problem seeps through the team. Why the hell would Nylander take a discount when he knows it will just get added into the pockets of Matthews and Marner?

That's incorrect.

JT was offered 13 mil by the Sharks - he took a discount.

Morgan took a discount - he would have easily received more on the open market.

Giordano took a big discount. Bunting took a discount.

Even Matthews took a discount - if he didn't sign, he'd received a monster RFA offer from NY or LA or Arizona.

Plenty of guys have taken discount on this team and on every team across the league where guys want to play in the city of their choice and not screw their team cap-wise.

 

[leafan11]

Willy statistically is due a big raise
BUT
The way the team is structured they can not afford to pay him UFA market value.

That is why I see a sign and trade in his future.

Once again what team is going to pay him north of 9 mil a year ?

 

[the Mighty Oak]

Why not go to Nylander agent and give him permission to talk to other teams to see if any will give him the 9 plus he’s looking for.

Only two right wingers have scored more goals than Willie last season. And 12 right wingers have a bigger cap hit than Willie.

 

[leafan11]

Only two right wingers have scored more goals than Willie last season. And 12 right wingers have a bigger cap hit than Willie.

Okay? Which team is paying him north of 9 mi? That he actually wants to play for . No team wanted duschene at 4 mi but there’s gonna be a lineup for teams wanting Nylander at 9 mil ?

 

[Legion34]

Nylander is a couple points shy of coming off of a 40 goal/90 point season playing the vast majority of the season on the second line.

On the open market he'd EASILY get 10+. I see no reason why he'd take a discount while the other star players on the team fight tooth and claw for every single solitary last penny.

This culture problem seeps through the team. Why the hell would Nylander take a discount when he knows it will just get added into the pockets of Matthews and Marner?

So if he signs for less here. Is that a psychotically inconsistent dramatic UNDERPAYMENT?

 

[kb]

Okay? Which team is paying him north of 9 mi? That he actually wants to play for . No team wanted duschene at 4 mi but there’s gonna be a lineup for teams wanting Nylander at 9 mil ?

Maybe, just maybe after being moved off of 2 teams for publicly stated as culture/off-ice reasons might be the signal as to why?

Timo Meier just got 8 x $8.88 million, and is his comp.