Rumor: Nylander like Matthews unextended. Nothing to see here.

[Gary Nylund]

I'm being consistent here while you seem to be moving the goalposts.
According to you, Marner is overpaid by 2mm making him worth ~9MM
You point out that Matthews might not be worth what a high future contract based on his future performance.
Willy is now wora logical falicy th between 9-9.5mm which indicates he needs to perform at Marners level to be worth that.
I would hate to think that you are engaging in the logical falicy of moving the goalposts or even gaslighting because that would be indicative of a narcisistic personality disorder. I just can't believe that to be true so I am asking for some clarification due to the fact that I must be missing something.

Not sure why you're comparing a contract for Nylander that won't kick in until next season to a contract for Marner that took effect 4 years ago.

You're pissed off about something and trying hard to pick a fight saying things like " falicy ", "moving the goalposts", "gaslighting", " indicative of a narcisistic personality disorder", why be like that?.

Just chill man. I think we're on more or less the same page when it comes to Nylander, this is a thread about Nylander so what say we leave our disagreements about Marner to a Marner thread. And if you want to discuss something me, you could at least make an effort to be civil. You all too often use phrases I pointed out above in addition to ass licking and whatever else. there's no need for that kind of nonsense, there really isn't.

 

[Notsince67]

Not sure why you're comparing a contract for Nylander that won't kick in until next season to a contract for Marner that took effect 4 years ago.

You're pissed off about something and trying hard to pick a fight saying things like " falicy ", "moving the goalposts", "gaslighting", " indicative of a narcisistic personality disorder", why be like that?.

Just chill man. I think we're on more or less the same page when it comes to Nylander, this is a thread about Nylander so what say we leave our disagreements about Marner to a Marner thread. And if you want to discuss something me, you could at least make an effort to be civil. You all too often use phrases I pointed out above in addition to ass licking and whatever else. there's no need for that kind of nonsense, there really isn't.

You said Marner is overpaid. You spoke of performance as a driver of judgement to determine whether Matthews will be overpaid or not.
There is nothing to indicate that you believe past comparables merit a contract. Only current and future. You can't have it both ways Gary. Either Marner is not overpaid by 2MM or Nylander will need to up his performance to a Marner level to be fairly paid at 9-9.5 million. Or maybe you mispoke and Matthews future performance shouldn't drive the assessment of a fair contract.

 

[notbias]

Yeah the dubois contract is yuck versus what he accomplishes.. meiers is meh

I do think nylander around 9.4 - 9.6 is where it will end up

ya, I think around 9.5 is where it will be too.

Sub 9, I think people are dreaming, but we can hope.

8 years is a hard sell since the cap is supposed to increase a lot. These contracts are not signed without this knowledge.

But also, banking on the increased cap is what burned us 5 years ago...

 

[egd27]

If that's indeed true (and CJ imo has been decent in terms of reporting some stuff this offseason, though iffy on other stuff) seems like a deal probably eventually gets done.

Article was dated June 13, so not really "new" details

 

[Notsince67]

ya, I think around 9.5 is where it will be too.

Sub 9, I think people are dreaming, but we can hope.

8 years is a hard sell since the cap is supposed to increase a lot. These contracts are not signed without this knowledge.

But also, banking on the increased cap is what burned us 5 years ago...

In retrospect, it would have been better to shut the league down and not accrue escrow from a money losing league. Cap would be a lot higher now. Would have made that time a lot more boring but sometimes you need to plug your nose to swallow your medicine.

 

[Gary Nylund]

You said Marner is overpaid. You spoke of performance as a driver of judgement to determine whether Matthews will be overpaid or not.
There is nothing to indicate that you believe past comparables merit a contract. Only current and future. You can't have it both ways Gary. Either Marner is not overpaid by 2MM or Nylander will need to up his performance to a Marner level to be fairly paid at 9-9.5 million. Or maybe you mispoke and Matthews future performance shouldn't drive the assessment of a fair contract.

I don't believe I said Matthews future performance should drive anything, can you show me where I said that?

 

[Notsince67]

I don't believe I said Matthews future performance should drive anything, can you show me where I said that?

Rumor: - Nylander like Matthews unextended. Nothing to see here.

2023 playoffs weak marner had 18 hits Big strong Nylander had 3. A man his size with 3 hits Don't kid yourself, both are terrified of being checked and both don't like throwing checks. Hits are very poorly tracked in the NHL too. Watch the game and both look equally as soft, Marner doesn't...

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[Gary Nylund]

Rumor: - Nylander like Matthews unextended. Nothing to see here.

2023 playoffs weak marner had 18 hits Big strong Nylander had 3. A man his size with 3 hits Don't kid yourself, both are terrified of being checked and both don't like throwing checks. Hits are very poorly tracked in the NHL too. Watch the game and both look equally as soft, Marner doesn't...

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There's a difference between "future performace" and "projected future pefrormance", you seem to be mistaking one for the other.

I never said that Matthews future performance should drive the assessment of a fair contract, that's simply not possible.

The future is hard to project in Matthews case as his performance has been so inconsistent, so it's hard to say what a fair contract for him would be.

This is what I said, word for word:

Hard to say what's fair because there's Hart winning Matthews, then there's Hart Matthews extra lite who played last season. No guarantee which one shows up next season, or the season after that etc.

Not sure how you interpreted that as me saying that future performance should drive anything.

 

[andora]

ya, I think around 9.5 is where it will be too.

Sub 9, I think people are dreaming, but we can hope.

8 years is a hard sell since the cap is supposed to increase a lot. These contracts are not signed without this knowledge.

But also, banking on the increased cap is what burned us 5 years ago...

I dont think years 6-8 really matter money wise .. may stabilize the annual a bit.. depends if they want to commit to this type of player amongst what we have for that duration

But nylander makes sense imo personally anywhere from 5 to 8 yrs.. i think he ages perfectly fine

 

[Da Cool Rula]

Imagine if the shoe was on the other foot, And American cities had high taxe disadvantage while teams like Toronto reeped in a passive advantage.

You know Gary would tax correct the salary cap. But I guess that's just sour grapes.

Not sour grapes but reality. NHL needs USA to make big $$$

 

[PromisedLand]

Outside the box thinking....

What if we tell Willy we will trade for Alex if willy signs 8.2 AAV for 8 years. We will also re-sign him next year as RFA for minimum of 2 to 3 years

 

[nuck]

Imagine if the shoe was on the other foot, And American cities had high taxe disadvantage while teams like Toronto reeped in a passive advantage.

You know Gary would tax correct the salary cap. But I guess that's just sour grapes.

Actually NYR, SJ, Anaheim and LA are all within spitting distance of the Canadian markets. And Buffalo, NYI, Jersey and Minnesota are a lot closer to the Canadian clubs than the Florida/Vegas group. If the Habs, Leafs and Rags demanded a correction or adjustment they would get it. I don't get why they don't ask but there it is. I have never heard it even discussed except by fans.

 

[Mess]

This news should get Nylander to lower his ask

Canucks center Elias Pettersson is now eligible for a contract extension since he has entered the final season of his three-year, $22.05MM deal, one that carries a qualifying offer next summer of $8.82MM.

Speaking with Postmedia’s Ben Kuzma, former Vancouver assistant GM Chris Gear (who used to handle negotiations for Vancouver) pegged a rough range of a new deal for Pettersson between $9.5MM and $10.25MM.

The 24-year-old hit career highs across the board last season with 39 goals, 63 assists, and 102 points, finishing tenth in league scoring so his value is certainly at its peak. Speculatively, if that’s the approximate range that a contract for Pettersson would be at this point, Vancouver might need to go close to the top mark to get him to put pen to paper on it a year early as another 100-point showing next season could push that price tag even higher.

 

[andora]

This news should get Nylander to lower his ask

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Canucks center Elias Pettersson is now eligible for a contract extension since he has entered the final season of his three-year, $22.05MM deal, one that carries a qualifying offer next summer of $8.82MM.

Speaking with Postmedia’s Ben Kuzma, former Vancouver assistant GM Chris Gear (who used to handle negotiations for Vancouver) pegged a rough range of a new deal for Pettersson between $9.5MM and $10.25MM.

The 24-year-old hit career highs across the board last season with 39 goals, 63 assists, and 102 points, finishing tenth in league scoring so his value is certainly at its peak. Speculatively, if that’s the approximate range that a contract for Pettersson would be at this point, Vancouver might need to go close to the top mark to get him to put pen to paper on it a year early as another 100-point showing next season could push that price tag even higher.

That's nuts over on the Vancouver Board numbers talked have been higher than that with people being comfortable.

 

[Mess]

That's nuts over on the Vancouver Board numbers talked have been higher than that with people being comfortable.

Pettersen in only 24 and already > 100 point player and looking from $9.5 -$10.25.

Now compare that to our Leafs where Nylander who will be turning 27 when this contract ends, looking for $10.5 coming off a career best 40 goal 87 point season.

Marner also who has not hit 100 points yet (close buy no cigar) has already been making $10,9 mil for the past 4 seasons.

 

[Weltschmerz]

Pettersen in only 24 and already > 100 point player and looking from $9.5 -$10.25.

Now compare that to our Leafs where Nylander who will be turning 27 when this contract ends, looking for $10.5 coming off a career best 40 goal 87 point season.

Marner also who has not hit 100 points yet (close buy no cigar) has already been making $10,9 mil for the past 4 seasons.

Thats not was he is asking for, thats what nucks would maybe offer.

 

[Racer88]

At some point the question is not if each one of the core 4 is worth their contract ask but can we afford all 4 of them at their contract ask.
As it stands now Nylander is the only one that Treliving has any options with.
This is not a very good position to be in but here we are

 

[notbias]

Outside the box thinking....

What if we tell Willy we will trade for Alex if willy signs 8.2 AAV for 8 years. We will also re-sign him next year as RFA for minimum of 2 to 3 years

He'd be in the AHL... not sure many people would pass up 1+ million per year to see their brother every few weeks.

At some point the question is not if each one of the core 4 is worth their contract ask but can we afford all 4 of them at their contract ask.
As it stands now Nylander is the only one that Treliving has any options with.
This is not a very good position to be in but here we are

People wave their NMC all the time when they are told they are not wanted. Tavares is probably the only one he truly has no option with.

 

[geo25]

At some point the question is not if each one of the core 4 is worth their contract ask but can we afford all 4 of them at their contract ask.
As it stands now Nylander is the only one that Treliving has any options with.
This is not a very good position to be in but here we are

I'm fairly certain Trev was told to leave the other 2 alone. Shame because I would have moved MM & kept WN if the ask was acceptable.

 

[Racer88]

He'd be in the AHL... not sure many people would pass up 1+ million per year to see their brother every few weeks.



People wave their NMC all the time when they are told they are not wanted. Tavares is probably the only one he truly has no option with.

I would be curious to see who these players of this caliber who waive their NMC all the time Are.

 

[Nineteen67]

This news should get Nylander to lower his ask

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Canucks center Elias Pettersson is now eligible for a contract extension since he has entered the final season of his three-year, $22.05MM deal, one that carries a qualifying offer next summer of $8.82MM.

Speaking with Postmedia’s Ben Kuzma, former Vancouver assistant GM Chris Gear (who used to handle negotiations for Vancouver) pegged a rough range of a new deal for Pettersson between $9.5MM and $10.25MM.

The 24-year-old hit career highs across the board last season with 39 goals, 63 assists, and 102 points, finishing tenth in league scoring so his value is certainly at its peak. Speculatively, if that’s the approximate range that a contract for Pettersson would be at this point, Vancouver might need to go close to the top mark to get him to put pen to paper on it a year early as another 100-point showing next season could push that price tag even higher.

I bet he signs that for 8 yrs.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Pettersen in only 24 and already > 100 point player and looking from $9.5 -$10.25.

Now compare that to our Leafs where Nylander who will be turning 27 when this contract ends, looking for $10.5 coming off a career best 40 goal 87 point season.

Marner also who has not hit 100 points yet (close buy no cigar) has already been making $10,9 mil for the past 4 seasons.

That's not Petterson's ask, but what a management type someone thinks he's worth.

If he's worth 9.5-10.25, then maybe Willy is worth 8.75-9.5 and Mitch is worth 9.25-10?

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

ya, I think around 9.5 is where it will be too.

Sub 9, I think people are dreaming, but we can hope.

8 years is a hard sell since the cap is supposed to increase a lot. These contracts are not signed without this knowledge.

But also, banking on the increased cap is what burned us 5 years ago...

A once in a lifetime event won't happen again

 

[ULF_55]

Article was dated June 13, so not really "new" details

Unfortunately, I haven't seen any "details" and it is unlikely you have.

This news should get Nylander to lower his ask

View attachment 730571

Canucks center Elias Pettersson is now eligible for a contract extension since he has entered the final season of his three-year, $22.05MM deal, one that carries a qualifying offer next summer of $8.82MM.

Speaking with Postmedia’s Ben Kuzma, former Vancouver assistant GM Chris Gear (who used to handle negotiations for Vancouver) pegged a rough range of a new deal for Pettersson between $9.5MM and $10.25MM.

The 24-year-old hit career highs across the board last season with 39 goals, 63 assists, and 102 points, finishing tenth in league scoring so his value is certainly at its peak. Speculatively, if that’s the approximate range that a contract for Pettersson would be at this point, Vancouver might need to go close to the top mark to get him to put pen to paper on it a year early as another 100-point showing next season could push that price tag even higher.

I think they're dreaming.

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[Mess]

Unfortunately, I haven't seen any "details" and it is unlikely you have.

I think they're dreaming.

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Here was my source from July 19th, 2023 from Vancouver writer and our Provincial Paper in BC. Based on Canucks former assistant GM.

Canucks: Art of the deal: A winding road to reach Elias Pettersson contract extension ​

In a perfect world, Pettersson would be satisfied with extension salary, term and a team commitment to improve. But the Canucks are far from perfect.
Ben Kuzma - Published Jul 19, 2023

How do you appease your best player? You pay him beyond market value with a franchise-defining, eight-year contract extension. And you also do everything possible to ensure the playoffs become more of a destination than a dream.

These are signposts on the long and winding road to making electrifying Canucks centre Elias Pettersson content with salary, term and team direction. However, it won’t be easy. The Swedish sensation likes Vancouver, but he also likes to win, and that’s why his deal may not get done as quickly as most hope, if at all.

“It’s probably going somewhere between $9.5 million and $10.25 million, and $10 million (annual salary cap) is not unreasonable,” Gear told Postmedia on Wednesday. “Probably between (Matthew) Tkachuk and (David) Pastrnak". Former Canucks assistant general manager Chris Gear knows Pettersson, the player and the person.

Do the Canucks pay a premium just to get this done, so Petey doesn’t go the Tkachuk (trade demand) and Johnny Gaudreau (free agency) route?

“A premium is going closer to the player’s number than yours. Your number still needs to be reasonable, but give him more of the benefit of the doubt because you’re a little fearful if you don’t come to terms, he could hold it over your head and force you to move him, or whatever.”

Canucks: Art of the deal: A winding road to reach Elias Pettersson contract extension

In a perfect world, Pettersson would be satisfied with extension salary, term and a team commitment to improve.

theprovince.com