Rumor: Nylander like Matthews unextended. Nothing to see here.

[therealkoho]

Weird how Meier's $8.8 AAV over 8 - and only averages roughly a whopping 0.5 PPG in the playoffs - is somehow being held up as (or talked about as) "taking less".

Why wouldn't Willie ask for more?? He's done more when it counts, plus during the regular season.

Says the media only, whose only reason for existing today is to lie and divide/enrage the population.

No other reason.

While true if they only wrote the truth and left out any of the colour nobody would pay them a second glance

Kind of funny that people highlight Nylander for a play he tried to finesse as the definition of the player, and yet marner's complete no-show game 3 gets swept away (by some "fans").

marner, Matthews, Tavares combine for 1 goal against Florida, but highlight his points total from a previous round as an indicator he's good in the playoffs. The Montreal series where marner and Matthews scored a combined 1 goal gets blamed on going face to face against Price, who Nylander beat 5 times..

Last time I'm saying this, Matthews was hurt and could barely hang on to his stick, the Canadiens saw this and would give Matthews a few solid taps to force him out of the play. Marner then got double teamed and didn't have anybody he could pass to any way

Stage fright perfectly describes Marner in game 3, I didn't think it was possible for him to play that bad.

You're quite obviously referring to that play where Marner was standing behind the redline to the goalies right, puck on his stick looking for a play that wasn't developing. 2 Panthers on the blueline and another hanging around center while the Leafs were looking like the keystone cops executing a line change. The closest dman was on the left half wall gassed and waiting for his relief and it went downhill from there. The Panther forwards started to press the zone and it all went to shit from there with most of the Leafs standing still and watching Marner about to get filled in.

Personally I would have waited out another 4 or 5 ticks of the clock and iced it

 

[therealkoho]

Tkachuk's value after producing similarly to Nylander over the 3 years prior to signing was not "way higher than Nylander's". Demanding a trade as an RFA to a tax-free contender location that you hand-pick that requires an immediate signing to facilitate usually results in a pretty good contract, but people really have the wrong idea about what he was actually worth to start with. I'm not sure where people got the idea that you could have one inflated year and then get paid based exclusively on that, especially when we have so many recent examples of the exact opposite happening.

60 goals just sayin

 

[therealkoho]

No it doesn’t

Man I’m so tired of talking about contracts. The cap is the worst thing to happen to NHL hockey

We've been talking about the Leafs overpaying for players since the interwebs were invented which was pre-cap

Mats Sundins 9m contract, Gary Roberts putting on his hero hat and negotiating for both he and Joey Nieuwendyk, Owen Nolan, a direct call from LarryT to JFjr and voila Bryan McCabe got his 5 yr 27.5

Good times

 

[egd27]

Yes, as this is a rare occasion that capfriendly's contract page is not really set up for, they note the theoretical contract that was manufactured in order to create Nylander's actual contract where his cap hit and average yearly salary is 6.96m for all 6 seasons he is signed. The amount that the first season actually cost is shown in the provided team cap link.

There sure seem to be a heck of a lot of rare occasions associated with this team. Just yesterday I read that they hit a playoff record number of posts against (think it was) Montreal

 

[therealkoho]

I agree we probably overpay in the end.

I don't agree that it's a necessary evil.

If we had a GM with balls, Marner would be gone and the entitlement party would be over. And until it's over, the chances of this team winning the cup is near zero.

If we would've had a better GM Marner would still be on the 8x9 contract, but no Dubas thinking like he was a smart guy, a real genius, thought he'd give that horrendous contract to Matthews and then try to chisel Mitch down to an 8x8 saying he didn't have enough left in the pot for a 9m contract, and making Mitch the bad guy.

It all worked out I guess

 

[Dekes For Days]

I'm going with the cap hit column when talking about cap hit

That column is misleading. It's not actually showing the amount that he counted against the cap. The team was hit with a charge of 6.96m against the cap in 2018-2019, as you can see in the accumulated hit.

60 goals just sayin

Not sure what you're referring to? Neither Tkachuk or Nylander have hit 60 goals.

Just yesterday I read that they hit a playoff record number of posts again (think it was) Montreal

I think you misinterpreted what was said.

 

[Menzinger]

Of course he "fits". For most of his career until only recently he has been on PP1, that is where he belongs and the fact that our coach is a moron doesn't change a damn thing in this regard.

Yep. He's one of the best power play performers on the team,any criticism of the guy based on Pp usage is definitely bizarre. Last season he was 3rd on the team in terms of PP assists (more than Rielly) and tied with Marner for 3rd in PPGs......

 

[therealkoho]

True, JT really drags that line down, and really shouldn't be more than 3C at this point, but I'm not sure why that means Willy isn't a line driver.

And again, isn't that more justification for playing Mitch with JT and Willy with Matty?

How many times have they tried 88 and 34?

How many times has it failed?

Do you know why it doesnt work as well as 16 and 34?

88 and 91 doesn't work that well either and yet 16 and 91 work quite well?

Why do you think 97, 91 and 16 were pulled apart so quickly and never really put back together when they accumulated 15 points together.

I'd say jealousy but we all know it's always team first, because it just has to be, am I right?

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

 

[Pinkcat]

Acknowledging it would be admitting that Dubas caved.

I seem to remember at the time that he signed at the last possible time before the Leafs ran out of Cap to accommodate the contract. Signing any later would have meant that he would sit out the year. He was made whole which meant he was paid his full contract amount despite sitting out which resulted in a higher Cap hit for the first year of the contract.

 

[therealkoho]

In light of this whole "who signs first" thing, I just remember that Matthews signed very shortly after Nylander did the last time too.

I'm not an expert.

So I don't know what's fair and what's not. Marner plays pk, and averages over a ppg, while Nylander doesn't. Is that worth $2M, or $4M, more a year?

I don't know.

What I do know is that Nylander held out until literally the last minute first time around. While Marner didn't get the chance to hold out (we all know he would have) Marner was even more blasphemous by approaching other teams in attempt to solicit an offer sheet. And they did this to a young rookie GM just new on the job.

They're not team players.

Approaching other teams to solicit an offer sheet?

Where in the wide world of sports did you ever hear that? And please provide a link.

I'll be quite honest with you and try to be as gentle as possible, but that is one big steaming pile of horse puckey my friend It never happened and why it never happened is because Mitchs agent would have had his card pulled., as in lost his livelihood.

 

[therealkoho]

Exactly!

So Quo Vadis Auston Matthews? What is your modus operandi?

Are you and your merry band going to try to bring the cup back to Toronto and become legends in the process?

Or are we just heading straight to the bank?


I wouldn't quite say games 1-4 meant nothing.

No matter how you spin it, Matthews and Marner beating Price just once when Nylander was able to do it 5 times doesn't look good on them.

That's not fair, Cash Matthews stated his goal loud and clear to anyone who cared to listen. It is his intention to be the highest paid hockey player in the world, to which I say; how does that help the Leafs, and maybe you should try baseball Cash, them dudes get paid by front end loader.

 

[therealkoho]

You said you wouldn't be so sure if you were me.

Why would that be?

What makes you think it's even possible that gutting the franchise would be anything but stupid?

Trading one of those guys is hardly gutting the franchise

 

[therealkoho]

What PAUL is looking for.

Yeah sure, but Brian was in town and helped get Dubas pants down to his ankles

 

[therealkoho]

Do posters today even have a brain anymore. Move one of the best playmakers in the league off your number 1 PP makes sense to me

The Marner haters, hate like no other

 

[therealkoho]

The fact that we have three players making over $10M (two of whom shouldn't have been), really doesn't affect the value of another player.

It may affect what, or whether, we can pay him, as it clearly has affected the rest of the team, but it doesn't change his value.

If McDavid was available, would our having three players making over $10M affect how much he was worth? No, just whether or not we could afford him.

Yeah but McJeebuzz wants to be a Leaf and will sign for 7x5

Give Nylander a deadline

They did that once already, it didn't go well

 

[Dekes For Days]

Aho is only 1 year younger, for the record.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Aho is only 1 year younger, for the record.

Yep, 2 years is the Sebastian Aho for the Islanders.

 

[therealkoho]

More pigeons. Put bieska on the radio at least .
These rumors are pathetic

Those are not rumours, it is speculation, spitballing, shooting the shit or whatever you want to call it, a rumour is a total different animal.

 

[therealkoho]

I wish we were privy to Nylander’s 10 team no trade list.

We can say with assurety that Winnipeg, Arizona, Minnesota, Columbus are most definitely on it.

 

[ULF_55]

Aho coming off a 5 year 8,45mm deal.

 

[therealkoho]

Why would that cause a ticket increase, the cap is the same?

For perspective, after the lockout our seats were $37 per seat, they are now a little over $90 a seat.

Oh I guess because dirty ol MLS&E still have to look after their bottom line and come to think of it Cash's bottom line as well

Rollin Rollin Rollin keep them profits rollin

 

[ToneDog]

Aho coming off a 5 year 8,45mm deal.

Another difference is that Aho is the guy who pulls the Canes' cart.

 

[therealkoho]

That column is misleading. It's not actually showing the amount that he counted against the cap. The team was hit with a charge of 6.96m against the cap in 2018-2019, as you can see in the accumulated hit.

Not sure what you're referring to? Neither Tkachuk or Nylander have hit 60 goals.

I think you misinterpreted what was said.

You or someone else was talking about basing a contract off of 1 outstanding season as opposed to a body of work so the story goes!

There's this guy who wants to give his team a 13, 14 or 15m dollar sweetheart of a discount deal or at least be the highest paid guy in the league or something like that because of;
not ever winning a scoring title

or not leading his team past the second round

or maybe because of scoring 60 goals once.

Now Im not sure what's truly important on that list, but I sure as shooting know that one of those things might be pretty important to someone.

IMHO I think that guy should just fire Brian and hire Paul, Paul being such a hard balling negotiator or so I've heard

Now after all that take a nice deep toke and then a shot of your favourite cognac and read it again keeping in mind that there could be some satire involved

 

[ACC1224]

Oh I guess because dirty ol MLS&E still have to look after their bottom line and come to think of it Cash's bottom line as well

Rollin Rollin Rollin keep them profits rollin

They will always be at the top of the cap. I don’t see how that changes the bottom line.