Rumor: Nylander like Matthews unextended. Nothing to see here.

[al secord]

I imagine things will progress and we'll get some more information when the players come back to town for Marners wedding.

I wonder if they'll eat together.

 

[ACC1224]

I wonder if they'll eat together.

Same room, seperate tables.
They'll each get their own trough.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Its off normal a little off because of the holdout, but his actual earnings are 6 years & $45 mil = $7.5 average. Willy only cares about the money not the AAV or average anyways.

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Yes, average salary is $7.5, but if we're talking about cap hit, it's $6.96, as your insert shows.

 

[ACC1224]

You can say it but it isn't really true. You can't retroactively change a contract. He signed a contract that would end in 5.6 years. He didn't play for 40% of the first season. You can't really compare properly hence the 7.5.
20 bucks an hour ain't the same as 20 in 36 minutes

Indisputable, if we're being honest.

 

[al secord]

Same room, seperate tables.
They'll each get their own trough.

Willy will see if Matthews goes up for seconds before he decides to.

 

[ToDavid]

It is the total amount that matters to a player not the AAV. The AAV matters for the team to build a roster that is competitive while being cap compliant.

If you have trouble understanding this simple concept, I don't know what else to say to you.

You can keep saying that until you’re blue in the face, it won’t make it a fact. Both the total amount and term are a factor. I mean, we’ve literally seen example after example of players signing shorter term deals this summer, banking on their future earning capacity under a higher cap.

Yes, obviously there’s a different weight to guaranteed money vs potential earning capacity in the future. Things like age, health, future cap level, will all be a part of the equation. But it’s still something the players are undeniably considering when they’re evaluating a contract.

 

[Marshy]

Ah the great arguing in circles debate of 2018. How I missed you.

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

His cap hit is $6.96M not $7.5.

His cap hit is 6.96M because he got paid over $10M in the year he held out. He stands to make $45M over 6 years which is 7.5M per year. It was just some accounting issue with the holdout that made the first year take up so much cap.

 

[Dekes For Days]

His cap hit is 6.96M because he got paid over $10M in the year he held out.

He did not get paid over 10m in the first year.

He stands to make $45M over 6 years

He will make 41.77m over these 6 seasons, not 45m.

It was just some accounting issue with the holdout that made the first year take up so much cap.

His cap hit in his first year was the same 6.96m.

 

[PromisedLand]

All your logic requires that he never gets another contract after the 7 or 8, to make your math come out.

What if he signs a one year deal at $10M, and then with the higher cap and better stats (thanks to not playing on the second line with John Turtlevaris), signs for 8 more years at $12M?

Nylander can do whatever he wants as a UFA, he has earned that right. The question isn't what Nylander will or can get; the question is should Leafs bendover to that AAV? Can the Leafs still have competitive roster if they do?

I say they don't!

If Nylander wants to risk injury or a bad luck season; by signing only 1 yr deal; to get more later (same with Matthews); its their choice.

As management group LEAFS should not bendover is what I am saying

Nowhere did I say that Nylander at age 34 (7 yr deal) and/or age 35 (8 yr deal); will not get another contract. How do you even value that contract? What will his production/output/play would be at that age? I cannot see future man; I am not even going to guesstimate what that value may be.

The only thing open for discussion is what is the value now; what Nylander can potentially get as a UFA if he walks (max 7 yr deal); and what is a shorter term deal (Willy assumes the risk of injury or bad seasons(s)); what does that look like from Leafs POV Vs what he may get as a UFA

If you think someone other team in the league is going to offer Nylander 10 AAV for 1 yr or 2 yr, or 3 yr or 4yr; well good for you I guess.... I don't think anyone in the league is going to offer Nylander 10 AAV as a UFA

 

[Ianturnedbull]

fan590 doing some Nylander Trade musings.

for whatever it's worth:

 

[PromisedLand]

You can keep saying that until you’re blue in the face, it won’t make it a fact. Both the total amount and term are a factor. I mean, we’ve literally seen example after example of players signing shorter term deals this summer, banking on their future earning capacity under a higher cap.

Yes, obviously there’s a different weight to guaranteed money vs potential earning capacity in the future. Things like age, health, future cap level, will all be a part of the equation. But it’s still something the players are undeniably considering when they’re evaluating a contract.

You seem to not understand how contracts work.

Options for Nylander if he walks as UFA are:

Sign long term (max 7 yr deal);
Sign short term (1 to 4/5 year);

regardless of what he signs he will be absolutely "LOCKED" into that deal. If he signs short term to get a big pay day in future he risks injury or bad season(s); and potentially forego high earnings in the future. Thats his choice if he wants it.

The contract that nylander signs he will be LOCKED into that contract no matter how you slice or dice it.

On the long term Nylander at max can sign 7 yr deal with any other team if he walks as UFA and with Leafs he can get the same amount fully front loaded and 80% to 90% in signing bonuses i.e. completely buyout proof and avoid Matt Duchene treatment. How many teams in teh league can do that besides Leafs? And do these teams have cap room to make it work? Do these teams even desire Nylander on their team at the money he is seeking?

You can keep saying Nylander is worth 9+ AAV until you are blue in the face; but the reality is simple

at max 9Mx7 years = 63 million dollars thats the max Nylander can land if someone out there is willing to pay Nylander 9 million

at 10M x 7 = 70 million dollars; thats the max Nylander can land at 10 AAV for 7 years; I am 100% sure Nylander will not be offered 10 AAV as a UFA (or 70 million dollars total) by any team in the league. Nylander benefits from playing behind Matthews/Marner; doesn't have to face #1D pair; gets premium #1PP time with Matthews-Marner.

For 10 AAV on the other team he will be expected to lead the scoring himself without having the luxury of players like Matthews/Marner etc...

No team in the league is going to take that massive risk giving Nylander 10 AAV; and if there is a team stupid enough to do that then Leafs can work on a trade and move on

 

[arso40]

His contract was for 6 seasons at 6.96m cap hit, and he's making 41.77m, not 45m. Nylander has played over 91% of the possible games on his contract,, which is pretty good.

It's not so much my opinion as it is just fact.

Nylander has not been the better playoff performer. Nylander has outproduced Marner in 1 out of our 8 playoff series, for the record, and even in that one series where Nylander had easier situations to produce and an inflated OISH% while Marner played with two injured players who hit a playoff-leading number of posts in one round, Nylander simultaneously gave up so much more defensively that he still ended up with a worse on-ice goal differential than Marner.

Marner has played with the better players and better situation in every year arguably but the first and nylander some how carried the team with galchenyuk and kerfoot like for real? Marners never been demoted to pp2 even at times when he’s deserved too like come on my friend

 

[EGL22]

I imagine things will progress and we'll get some more information when the players come back to town for Marners wedding.

I think even with Marner going first this time Willy will stubbornly stay single until he sees Matthews bride to be and then marry someone his agent says is 10% hotter.

 

[arso40]

Being the smartest kid in a remedial class doesn't mean you're entitled to a 43% bump in pay.

Understandable but I think from nylanders perspective he took far less than marner got on his last contract I think his position on 10 mil being that marner got it on his first post elc isn’t outlandish and I would dare say very understandable the gap between marner and nylander is a lot closer than the gap between marner and matthews

 

[ACC1224]

I think even with Marner going first this time Willy will stubbornly stay single until he sees Matthews bride to be and then marry someone his agent says is 10% hotter.

I've heard some interesting Nylander stories regarding that.
He's been with a nice Greek girl for a while now.

 

[notbias]

fan590 doing some Nylander Trade musings.

for whatever it's worth:

These people should not have a job.

Are they Ranger fans at least?

We take back a cap dump in both trades and give up the best piece.

 

[hullsy47]

These people should not have a job.

Are they Ranger fans at least?

We take back a cap dump in both trades and give up the best piece.

More pigeons. Put bieska on the radio at least .
These rumors are pathetic

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

He did not get paid over 10m in the first year.

He will make 41.77m over these 6 seasons, not 45m.

His cap hit in his first year was the same 6.96m.

He was made whole when he signed the deal and didn't miss out on a single dollar. I really don't understand why this is so hard to comprehend. There was a rule that he had to take a bigger chunk in the 1st yr because of the holdout. It says right there that he signed a 6yr $45M deal.

 

[ACC1224]

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He was made whole when he signed the deal and didn't miss out on a single dollar. I really don't understand why this is so hard to comprehend. There was a rule that he had to take a bigger chunk in the 1st yr because of the holdout. It says right there that he signed a 6yr $45M deal.

Acknowledging it would be admitting that Dubas caved.

 

[Dekes For Days]

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Yeah - that's what you have to do to give a player an agreed upon cap hit and salary when you're signing them mid-season, due to how cap hits accumulate to their total throughout the year. That's not what he actually got or cost the team.

If you go to Capfriendly's archive for the 2018-2019 season:

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Thank you for the amazing 9 years

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You can see under accumulated cap hit what Nylander actually cost the team. In the first season, he only had a 6.96m cap hit.
Over the contract, he will make 41.77m, for an average yearly salary of 6.96m.

 

[Ianturnedbull]

More pigeons. Put bieska on the radio at least .
These rumors are pathetic

these are not rumors. What are you talking about?

 

[notDatsyuk]

His cap hit is 6.96M because he got paid over $10M in the year he held out. He stands to make $45M over 6 years which is 7.5M per year. It was just some accounting issue with the holdout that made the first year take up so much cap.

Correct, but saying his cap hit is $7.5 is wrong.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Nylander can do whatever he wants as a UFA, he has earned that right. The question isn't what Nylander will or can get; the question is should Leafs bendover to that AAV? Can the Leafs still have competitive roster if they do?

I say they don't!

If Nylander wants to risk injury or a bad luck season; by signing only 1 yr deal; to get more later (same with Matthews); its their choice.

As management group LEAFS should not bendover is what I am saying

Nowhere did I say that Nylander at age 34 (7 yr deal) and/or age 35 (8 yr deal); will not get another contract. How do you even value that contract? What will his production/output/play would be at that age? I cannot see future man; I am not even going to guesstimate what that value may be.

The only thing open for discussion is what is the value now; what Nylander can potentially get as a UFA if he walks (max 7 yr deal); and what is a shorter term deal (Willy assumes the risk of injury or bad seasons(s)); what does that look like from Leafs POV Vs what he may get as a UFA

If you think someone other team in the league is going to offer Nylander 10 AAV for 1 yr or 2 yr, or 3 yr or 4yr; well good for you I guess.... I don't think anyone in the league is going to offer Nylander 10 AAV as a UFA

Are you talking about his value now, or over the next 7 or 8 years? Make up your mind, and talk about one of the other, but stop confusing the two.

 

[notDatsyuk]

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He was made whole when he signed the deal and didn't miss out on a single dollar. I really don't understand why this is so hard to comprehend. There was a rule that he had to take a bigger chunk in the 1st yr because of the holdout. It says right there that he signed a 6yr $45M deal.

It also says right there that his cap hit is $6,962,366. I really don't understand why this is so hard to comprehend.