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Nylander - In round 2 doing his thing.

What do we do with Nylander?

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One goal from the 11mils. But thid dude is the problem...
BraveCanadian said:
Isn't it though?

If Willy has shown up so much more, where are the results?

Nylander has 40 points in 50 playoff games and 25 in the past 25 games. Marner, who appears to be everyone's current favourite hate, has 46 points in those same 50 playoff games, and 26 points in the past 25 games.

Sorry, not buying it..

You can make the case that Nylander makes less, which doesn't actually matter in this particular argument of who showed up more, or maybe linemates or PP time this playoffs? But the counter arguments for Marner would be that he is in a completely different league defensively and has more responsibility as an important PK player.
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Did Marner play with Tavares those 25 games. And how many goals. Twice as many points as Nylander is what we should expect.
 
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BraveCanadian said:
Isn't it though?

If Willy has shown up so much more, where are the results?

Nylander has 40 points in 50 playoff games and 25 in the past 25 games. Marner, who appears to be everyone's current favourite hate, has 46 points in those same 50 playoff games, and 26 points in the past 25 games.

Sorry, not buying it..

You can make the case that Nylander makes less, which doesn't actually matter in this particular argument of who showed up more, or maybe linemates or PP time this playoffs? But the counter arguments for Marner would be that he is in a completely different league defensively and has more responsibility as an important PK player.
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It's not. Marner being more consistent just isn't true. He looks scared and the playoffs get to him. How many times has he had an over the glass penalty? His turnovers are terrible too. Marner plays a lot more then Nylander so him being just ahead in points isn't impressive. Their play isn't comparable in the playoffs from the eye test.
 
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stickty111 said:
It's not. Marner being more consistent just isn't true. He looks scared and the playoffs get to him. How many times has he had an over the glass penalty? His turnovers are terrible too. Marner plays a lot more then Nylander so him being just ahead in points isn't impressive. Their play isn't comparable in the playoffs from the eye test.
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Not going to bother arguing this any longer, but Marner is a lot more than just ahead in points. He is ahead in points and a Selke finalist while Nylander is strictly a 100 ft player who cheats for offense when he does find his way back to the Leafs zone.

The love-in going on for Nylander right now defies all reasoning, but have at er guys.
 
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Racer88 said:
Here is my take on Willy. I am not a super big fan of his but for round 2 he was the Leaf forward that put in the most effort. Now much of that effort was still spent around the outside and avoiding hits but the one time……the one time he did go do the net he score. Should that not be telling the other lazy 3 that go to the dam net if you want to make something happen.
it was so frustrating watching especially Matthews just circle around in his own end waiting for a breakout pass and letting every one else do the work. I don’t know if he actually won a single puck battle in game 5 because he was only in like three of them
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Actually, he took more hits than any of the three $11M players in the last game (the only one I looked at).

I think the fact that he doesn't go for big hits gives people the impression that he doesn't battle along the boards or drive to the net, neither of which is true.
 
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diehardleafsfan9878 said:
Look at this joke of a trade proposal.

TRADE PROPOSAL | Canucks make a mind-blowing trade to acquire William Nylander

The Maple Leafs were once again struck by an early playoff exit and they'll surely be looking to make major changes to their line-up since this recipe clearly isn't
www.canucksdaily.com www.canucksdaily.com
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Lol.

I prefer to stick with Robertson over Hoglander, but that part can be debated.

The Garland + Myers (@50%) for Nylander part can only make sense if the Leafs are being very nicely compensated for doing this. Garland has very little value (the cap hit / term combination) and Myers is a cap dump for them but not insanely bad at $3m cap hit for us. Like... trading our Boston 1st rounder for 11th overall, or something really really nice like that, would have to be the incentive for us to make this swap. Some people would even ask for the 11th overall pick straight up and we keep our Boston 1st rounder. A 3rd and a 5th rounder are insulting. I guess they would argue "but you also get to upgrade Robertson to Hoglander", which is (a) not enough and (b) not necessarily an upgrade, depending on who you ask.
 
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Jamason said:
Actually, he took more hits than any of the three $11M players in the last game (the only one I looked at).

I think the fact that he doesn't go for big hits gives people the impression that he doesn't battle along the boards or drive to the net, neither of which is true.
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It’s not even big hits im really worried about but game after game he spent much of his time in our own end just circling. A big guy like him should be involved and winning board battles but in round 2 he was invisible
 
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Jamason said:
Actually, he took more hits than any of the three $11M players in the last game (the only one I looked at).

I think the fact that he doesn't go for big hits gives people the impression that he doesn't battle along the boards or drive to the net, neither of which is true.
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Nylander when on his game is an offensive force but he's never a defensive force . He'll always choose the opportunistic side of a puck meaning to often he's on his offensive side of a puck battle so if he gets it he's off to the races . That's great if he actually gets the puck or comes to him but when it goes the wrong way he's behind the play or on the wrong side of the opposition . In a nut shell this is why he's sheltered more and should be .
Still a great player who's useful though when you need offense and has wheels this team desperately needs. His speed alone backs defenders off . As Sather once said , nothing in hockey is more intimidating than speed.
 
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lanceuppercut75 said:
Lol.

I prefer to stick with Robertson over Hoglander, but that part can be debated.

The Garland + Myers (@50%) for Nylander part can only make sense if the Leafs are being very nicely compensated for doing this. Garland has very little value (the cap hit / term combination) and Myers is a cap dump for them but not insanely bad at $3m cap hit for us. Like... trading our Boston 1st rounder for 11th overall, or something really really nice like that, would have to be the incentive for us to make this swap. Some people would even ask for the 11th overall pick straight up and we keep our Boston 1st rounder. A 3rd and a 5th rounder are insulting. I guess they would argue "but you also get to upgrade Robertson to Hoglander", which is (a) not enough and (b) not necessarily an upgrade, depending on who you ask.
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The offer is summarized in the last part of the article/post.

If an offer of this sort comes on the board for the Canucks, it's a no-brainer. They'd be shedding just under a million in cap space, Nylander directly comes in as an impactful player for the Canucks. Toronto on their end would gain a decent 3rd pairing defender in Tyler Myers (whose cost-efficiency is pretty good at $3M). Garland brings a dimension the Leafs lack and Hoglander caps it off as a potential 3rd liner with a low AAV.

Could you imagine a better scenario for the Canucks
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So the author knows this is a joke.

It is also the laziest and least thought out scenario. Trade Nylander because the 6th. highest paid player on the Leafs didn't carry the team to victory.

"Don't look at those 2 milquetoast players hiding behind the golf cart."
 
ULF_55 said:
The offer is summarized in the last part of the article/post.



So the author knows this is a joke.

It is also the laziest and least thought out scenario. Trade Nylander because the 6th. highest paid player on the Leafs didn't carry the team to victory.

"Don't look at those 2 milquetoast players hiding behind the golf cart."
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I do like the logic of "Leafs need to free cap space so they'll make a trade that adds $1M".

The writing is about as good as the logic.
 
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He says he wants to come back. What does he want though? He can’t hold out this time so he’s gone if we don’t pay him. If it’s double digits I wouldn’t mind shipping him out, he can’t be making that much.
 
Just saw a post on FB regarding the Avs possibly being interested in Nylander. Makes some sense. They lost forward depth with Kadri leaving and Landeskog now being out long term. That could be an interesting deal to be had. Willy for one of Toews or Byram could be something to look at. Would save us cap space as well.
 
acrobaticgoalie said:
Just saw a post on FB regarding the Avs possibly being interested in Nylander. Makes some sense. They lost forward depth with Kadri leaving and Landeskog now being out long term. That could be an interesting deal to be had. Willy for one of Toews or Byram could be something to look at. Would save us cap space as well.
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Expect to see a ton of "Nylander for Ryder, Halak and a 2nd" type trade offers this summer.

It's going to be very annoying.
 
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The talk about trading him has been going on since before he came here. Booooring!
 
Nylander has always been the whipping boy of the organization. He scored 40 goals this year and got taken off PP1.

If I'm the Leafs, I tell him sorry we got it wrong between you and Marner. Ship Marner out and given Willy an extension. 9.5 for Willy
 
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Jeff Marek brought up that there would a ton of interest in Willy if he is made available. Then he specifically mentioned Colorado as a team he has heard would love him.

My favourite player on the team is 88.

However, if we are looking at a trade centered around Nylander for Byram, how would people react?

There is some injury risk, but he is exactly what we need, and only 21. Not advocating, just curious if there is a framework for a deal.
 
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sunstersun said:
Nylander has always been the whipping boy of the organization. He scored 40 goals this year and got taken off PP1.

If I'm the Leafs, I tell him sorry we got it wrong between you and Marner. Ship Marner out and given Willy an extension. 9.5 for Willy
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Lol. Not going to happen. Would rather package him with Robertson for Larkin plus a second. He ain't getting 9.5mm in this climate on the back of trading Marner ffs.
 
Confirmed today that Nylander is not gonna play at the worlds afterall, despite wanting to take part himself. Team Sweden says they can't go into detail as for why he is not coming.
 
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