Nylander contract discussion - New Poll

[Gary Nylund]

11M over 7 years is 77M dollars

10M over the 8 years we can give him is 80M dollars, that deal will also be bonus laden

I like Nylander but there's no way in hell he deserves 11M+, he's never even cracked 90 points ffs

I've never bought into this idea that 7 year deals can be compared to 8 year deals based on total dollars alone, makes no sense to me at all.

Matthews didn't crack 90 points last season and didn't "deserve" to become the highest paid player in the league. Marner got an 11 million dollar contract based on potential, he didn't "deserve" that either, especially not for less than max term. Do you think Nylander would be happy to once again, be the only one of the big 3 who isn't getting overpaid, or at the very least getting paid at the absolute top end of whatever his salary range might be?

UFA's get paid whatever the market decides, what anyone "deserves" has nothing to do with it. He looks to be on his way to having his best season ever, that would be the third year in a row that he's done that so hard to write it off as a fluke either and unless he drops off in a big way, I'm pretty sure there will be teams offering him more than 11 million.

When we signed JT, he was coming off a season where he put up 84 points, he had 66 points in 77 games the year previous. The salary cap has been relatively stagnant but it's still higher than it was back then. Nylander had 87 points last season and is on pace for what, 115 or something like that? I'm sure he'll slow down at some point but he'll probably still finish with 100+ points so maybe he you can help me understand why you think he'd settle for any less than JT got paid 6 years ago because I don't see it. Don't forget that he was willing to sit out for months before caving last time around and this time he has leverage that he didn't have back then so the chances of him signing a contract he is not 100% happy with are zero.

 

[WTFMAN99]

I've never bought into this idea that 7 year deals can be compared to 8 year deals based on total dollars alone, makes no sense to me at all.

Matthews didn't crack 90 points last season and didn't "deserve" to become the highest paid player in the league. Marner got an 11 million dollar contract based on potential, he didn't "deserve" that either, especially not for less than max term. Do you think Nylander would be happy to once again, be the only one of the big 3 who isn't getting overpaid, or at the very least getting paid at the absolute top end of whatever his salary range might be?

UFA's get paid whatever the market decides, what anyone "deserves" has nothing to do with it. He looks to be on his way to having his best season ever, that would be the third year in a row that he's done that so hard to write it off as a fluke either and unless he drops off in a big way, I'm pretty sure there will be teams offering him more than 11 million.

When we signed JT, he was coming off a season where he put up 84 points, he had 66 points in 77 games the year previous. The salary cap has been relatively stagnant but it's still higher than it was back then. Nylander had 87 points last season and is on pace for what, 115 or something like that? I'm sure he'll slow down at some point but he'll probably still finish with 100+ points so maybe he you can help me understand why you think he'd settle for any less than JT got paid 6 years ago because I don't see it. Don't forget that he was willing to sit out for months before caving last time around and this time he has leverage that he didn't have back then so the chances of him signing a contract he is not 100% happy with are zero.

I think signing bonuses, frontloading the deal and getting as much cash as possible into Nylander's bank account as quickly as possible which could provide an edge.

Few teams in the league can match us on this so I think that's gonna be the way to go.

9.5M x 8 and hopefully the prospect of tens of millions of dollars in short order will be appealing to him.

I wonder how much Reinhart is going to make on his next contract? Pretty much at Nylander's level this year.

 

[Evilhomer]

I'm not sure 11 would get it done at this point.

It would be surprising, but you may be right. It's really a matter of how long his camp wants to take this out. If he wants to go right to July 1, there is no chance he is under $10 million.

 

[Ports]

They’ll pay Nylander whatever it takes to get him signed. You don’t let a player like him walk when he’s really coming into his own. He’s been arguably their best player for about a year now. Right now he’s a top 10 player in the league. Marner and Tavares aren’t. Let one of them walk instead.

 

[Evilhomer]

Perhaps people thought he'd be another Spezza?

Spezza, 36 years old, coming off a 29 point season?

Yeah, no chance he does the Spezza thing. These are two very different players. Tavares is going to get near market value on his next deal. He may take a small discount because he wants to stay here, but it won't be a low dollar contract.

 

[Gabriel426]

I think Petey deal with the Nucks will be a huge indication of where Willie will be signing. Pretty sure Willie's camp is waiting for Petey's deal to drop and vice versa.
Petey's deal should be higher bc he is younger, plays C and PK.
While one can argue Willie's deal should be higher bc he is a pending UFA.

 

[Notsince67]

So much stupid shit being written here. People should be happy we have such good players. We don't get better getting rid of any of them. Grow the f*** up. It's almost like some of the fans here are in a suicide cult.

 

[kb]

So much stupid shit being written here. People should be happy we have such good players. We don't get better getting rid of any of them. Grow the f*** up. It's almost like some of the fans here are in a suicide cult.

The best was reading that the Leafs should go into a rebuild now.....absolute clownz!!!!

 

[notDatsyuk]

I don't think Marner cares that much about whatever JT does or doesn't do. I do however think that Nylander doesn't want to sign for X dollars, and then see Marner signed soon after for X+++++ dollars.

Of course nobody can know what anyone is thinking, I just have this gut feeling that if Nylander outplays Marner this season it would be hard for him to stomach Marner making more money than him (again). I don't think that it's inconceivable that he waits for Marner to be extended first and if that process drags on, he decides screw it and signs somewhere else.

I don't think Marner necessarily cares about what happens to JT beyond "how much extra money is there that I can get a piece of?"

But it's all just speculation on our part.

 

[notDatsyuk]

You'll also have only 3 years of Matthews left & will have to pay up for Marner & Woll (if he pans out) & another goalie not to mention have to allocate at least some money to Tavares or otherwise find a #2 centre all the while building a defence through limited cap space or cheap prospects/future picks (which you'll need to fill spots in the lineup). Oh yeah, have to also account for other up & coming teams who'll be a lot more competitive & will also benefit from the increasing cap while your core continues to age out of their prime.

All of which just continues to show how bad a job Dubas did, particularly with Tavares.

 

[notDatsyuk]

If anyone thinks that Tavares is going to sign a league minimum contract, they are fooling themselves. Why on Earth would he do that? The guy is still a near-90 point player and he will only be 34 when his current deal ends. With the way he keeps himself in shape, he is easily playing to 37 or 38 and will probably still be pretty productive during those years.

Over the last four seasons he's barely made ppg once, with 80 points.

Suddenly he's "still a near-90 point player"?

 

[Squiffy]

Yeah, no chance he does the Spezza thing. These are two very different players. Tavares is going to get near market value on his next deal. He may take a small discount because he wants to stay here, but it won't be a low dollar contract.

I think he’ll take a team friendly. Which is not to say I think he takes a league minimum deal, at all. But if he is still going ppg at the end of next, does $5mx3y’s bother anyone? That’s a big league discount for a ppg player.

 

[Gary Nylund]

I think signing bonuses, frontloading the deal and getting as much cash as possible into Nylander's bank account as quickly as possible which could provide an edge.

Few teams in the league can match us on this so I think that's gonna be the way to go.

9.5M x 8 and hopefully the prospect of tens of millions of dollars in short order will be appealing to him.

I wonder how much Reinhart is going to make on his next contract? Pretty much at Nylander's level this year.

Frontloading etc. hasn't helped at all in terms of bringing down the numbers for the rest of the big 4 so I'm not holding my breath waiting for it to give us an edge when it comes to Nylander.

It would be surprising, but you may be right. It's really a matter of how long his camp wants to take this out. If he wants to go right to July 1, there is no chance he is under $10 million.

Not sure he necessarily "wants" to go to July 1, I just don't think he's in any hurry. He's just taking it day by day, playing the game and not worrying about a thing.

I don't think Marner necessarily cares about what happens to JT beyond "how much extra money is there that I can get a piece of?"

But it's all just speculation on our part.

It's all speculation, do doubt about it. I said years ago that Nylander would be toughest negotiation, that looks bang on so far and what ends up happening is anyone's guess.

So much stupid shit being written here. People should be happy we have such good players. We don't get better getting rid of any of them. Grow the f*** up. It's almost like some of the fans here are in a suicide cult.

Grow the f*** up ... suicide cult ... do try to get a grip. It's ironic you're using the phrase "stupid shit" while spewing such venom.

It's just a hockey team dude, there are so many more important things in life and there no need to be so angry. And BTW, hockey is a team game, it's nice to have good players for sure but the goal is to have a good team. I hope that helps, enjoy the game!

I think he’ll take a team friendly. Which is not to say I think he takes a league minimum deal, at all. But if he is still going ppg at the end of next, does $5mx3y’s bother anyone? That’s a big league discount for a ppg player.

I agree, that would be a substantial discount and I would be thrilled. IMO it would be highly irrational for anyone to be "bothered" by that kind of bargain!

 

[notDatsyuk]

11M over 7 years is 77M dollars

10M over the 8 years we can give him is 80M dollars, that deal will also be bonus laden

I like Nylander but there's no way in hell he deserves 11M+, he's never even cracked 90 points ffs

Now do JT, who's career high was one point lower than Willy's.

He signed for $11M when the cap was $79.5M. Next year it's estimated to be $87.5M, or about 10% higher.

They'll be the same age. Currently Willy is about 160 points behind in about 130 fewer games.

 

[Shooter2x]

Hoping it's a temporary trend but when Marner is looking for Matthews, there's nothing. But if he's passing to anyone else it's pure high skill vision, right on the tape.

If it's not temporary (as in, just a current fluke down period), that duo has been scouted and need to figure out how to counter the league zoning in on them now.

 

[horner]

Now do JT, who's career high was one point lower than Willy's.

He signed for $11M when the cap was $79.5M. Next year it's estimated to be $87.5M, or about 10% higher.

They'll be the same age. Currently Willy is about 160 points behind in about 130 fewer games.

I just noticed the Joe Pavelski 5.5 mil this is what JT needs to sign for in 2 yrs

 

[Throw More Waffles]

So much stupid shit being written here. People should be happy we have such good players. We don't get better getting rid of any of them. Grow the f*** up. It's almost like some of the fans here are in a suicide cult.

What a bizarre post.

Due to a hard salary cap, the nhl IS a league where having too many good players actually hurts the team. You know all of those teams that win tons of playoff series and stanley cups? Well, none of them have anywhere CLOSE to 4 forwards all making 11 mil +.

And I'm willing to bet that Nylander will hold out for 11 mil +. Someone on the open market would likely give it to him. And the leafs core players are ALL about the money.

 

[Dragao6]

What a bizarre post.

Due to a hard salary cap, the nhl IS a league where having too many good players actually hurts the team. You know all of those teams that win tons of playoff series and stanley cups? Well, none of them have anywhere CLOSE to 4 forwards all making 11 mil +.

And I'm willing to bet that Nylander will hold out for 11 mil +. Someone on the open market would likely give it to him. And the leafs core players are ALL about the money.

Agreed

We don’t have any playoff success and it’s always due to the poor play of the big 4 so

U can love regular season stuff but…we usually crying in the spring about the same players

 

[howlman]

Price keeps going up and up.. Nylander is a stud you have to sign

 

[BallardEra]

What’s a realistic AAV for him at this point?

 

[Divine]

Leafs need to seriously explore trading Nylander

He's nearly leading the league in points. Currently has twice as many points as McDavid. Nylander for McDavid plus a 1st?

But seriously - Meier got 2 1st's last year. What does Nylander get? An elite #1D?

 

[arso40]

Leafs need to seriously explore trading Nylander

He's nearly leading the league in points. Currently has twice as many points as McDavid. Nylander for McDavid plus a 1st?

But seriously - Meier got 2 1st's last year. What does Nylander get? An elite #1D?

? Are you good?

 

[Canucks LB]

Leafs need to seriously explore trading Nylander

He's nearly leading the league in points. Currently has twice as many points as McDavid. Nylander for McDavid plus a 1st?

But seriously - Meier got 2 1st's last year. What does Nylander get? An elite #1D?

Depends if its a sign and trade.
Would need to be a team like cbj who have elite D prospects, or njd who don’t really need nylander.

Interesting tho

 

[Divine]

? Are you good?

The Leafs are losing one of Marner or Nylander

Trade Nylander while he's hot because Marner has outplayed him every season to date

 

[Gary Nylund]

What’s a realistic AAV for him at this point?

Whatever SJ is willing to offer?

Leafs need to seriously explore trading Nylander

He's nearly leading the league in points. Currently has twice as many points as McDavid. Nylander for McDavid plus a 1st?

But seriously - Meier got 2 1st's last year. What does Nylander get? An elite #1D?

The only way we're getting an elite #1D for Nylander is if it's a rental. Do you have someone specific in mind and are you sure you'd rather not resign him?