Nylander contract discussion - New Poll

[robertmac43]

Obviosuly 20/20. I think the best opportunity for this team to shake things up was missed when Marner was not traded before his no move kicked in. Trade him to bring in a fresh look and get some cap space. Sign Nylander go and from there.

Alternatively the league could up the cap already and this all becomes less of a problem. Maybe we get a luxury tax? One can dream...

 

[notDatsyuk]

I was talking this year mostly where his form did drop compared to the rest of his streak but that’s great
Seems you are all drinking the cool aid so I guess we should all stop complaining about these guys and their play, contracts and lack of playoff success.
We’re on the right track and the parade is coming like everyone else makes fun of us for!!!

There is a reason where when teams get outplayed they get physical vs us and it usually works. There’s a reason why a very bad Habs team turned into goones and knocked us out, same for a good Florida team. It’s what bruins and Tampa also did, it is known that if you make games hard and physical vs us u get success specially when u eliminate the easy games of a regular season and have consistant hard games in a series. Why we have he so much playoff successs and we cry every spring. Fire this guy, trade this guy lol

Anyways…

Next year?
It’s been like that for many years now no?

Reductio ad absurdum aside, you were talking about the players, specifically Nylander, disappearing in the playoffs, and it was pointed out to you that he was the one of the four who didn't.

If you are "talking about this year" and playing Boston, then it makes even less sense. Nylander had 7 of the team's 35 shots, and made the big play that resulted in their first goal. (It was also only the second time this year that Boston hadn't won in regulation.)

Nylander is not the one player, or even among the worst, who disappears when the games get tougher.

 

[Gary Nylund]

By trade, I meant leave him in Sweden. Bridge Nylander, let Marner walk for free if it's between trading Nylander now or letting Marner go, easy choice.

Not to mention if there is one player who's ego could be hurt enough to wave NMC its Mitch the stable Marner.

Wave or play the next two years 10 min per game, pk only? As the saying goes, where's will there's way, you just need to be flexible.

LMAO.

 

[notDatsyuk]

This is why I say Nylander might not want to sign before Marner and if he keeps outplaying Marner the way he has been, I could see it playing out like this. He's held out for months before so I don't think he as any issue with becoming an UFA, I think it's quite likely that this happens. And everyone should understand that UFA's get overpaid, that's just the way it is. So if his true worth is 10, there's no point in complaining about having to pay him more, you either pay him more or you might lose him for nothing, that's just the way it works.

It might be the case that Nylander would be willing to sign for something like 10.5 today, if it wasn't for the possibility that they give Marner something like 12 later and I can't really blame him. So he waits until the summer, becomes UFA and no matter what Leafs offer, he says get back to me once the Marner contract is done, I want to see what his cap hit is first and in the mean time, he can sit back and consider all the money other teams will be throwing at him. Someone will probably offer him at least 12x7, so he'll be in no rush to take 10 (or even 11) from the Leafs, especially not when there's the possibility of them giving Marner more later. And if making max money is his top priority, then he's gone because the Leafs will be unwilling to match the top offer.

The best course of action might be for the Leafs to decide that they are willing to offer Marner and Nylander both 11, and tell them both that right away. If they can convince Nylander that they mean it, than he might be willing to sign now. But if Nylander doesn't think he can take Tre at his word, they might have to go public with it to convince Nylander that they really mean it but that's something they won't want to do so the only option then might be to just wait until the summer. Either way, they're in a tough spot with Nylander, no doubt about it.




Not sure why people keep ignoring the fact that Marner has that pesky NMC. Might just have to let him walk if it comes to that.

The problem with all that it that the team has to decide what to do with Nylander before the start of next season, but they can't do anything with Marner until after the end of next season.

Unless Willy agrees to a one year bridge deal, he can't wait to see what Mitch gets.

 

[Gary Nylund]

The problem with all that it that the team has to decide what to do with Nylander before the start of next season, but they can't do anything with Marner until after the end of next season.

Unless Willy agrees to a one year bridge deal, he can't wait to see what Mitch gets.

I'm pretty sure Marner's contract has just one year left after this season so they can extend him in the summer.

 

[ULF_55]

There really is no difference between marner and Tavares contracts.

So if you've maintained all along that you don't ask a player to waive a NMC then that applies to both marner and Tavares.

If you have suggested Tavares waive you also should suggest that marner waive.

It isn't always easy to be consistent, but you should try.

I don't care if either have interest, just leave it up to the player to come to the team and say, "I'm interested in ... "

 

[notDatsyuk]

I'm pretty sure Marner's contract has just one year left after this season so they can extend him in the summer.

Possible but not necessary, and the ball is still in Mitch's court as to whether he does.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Possible but not necessary, and the ball is still in Mitch's court as to whether he does.

Of course. I just wanted to point out that they don't have to wait until after the end of next season. I'm also assuming that Marner wants to stay, and both sides will want to get it done in the summer.

 

[notdoneyet]

NMC are more like a suggestion on what teams you would like to be moved to than they are staying put. In most cases players like Mitch will know they are no longer wanted and their play might suffer enough that it will cost him money as a new UFA. I doubt most guys want to stick around if it is known they want to move them and then leave as a UFA anyways. It's a bad look on the player (as well as the GM) and most agree to 3-5 teams that they would be willing to moved to. There are only so many teams that can even take on that cap hit...so you can't be too picky.

This is by far the most ridiculous post ever in leafland.
NMC are just that. If I play for a team and have a NMC and they ask me to waive, I certainly won’t. I’ll go to free agency and pick the team I want to play for. If willy or Mitch get to free agency there will be many teams lining up for a chance to sign them.

 

[Gary Nylund]

This is by far the most ridiculous post ever in leafland.
NMC are just that. If I play for a team and have a NMC and they ask me to waive, I certainly won’t. I’ll go to free agency and pick the team I want to play for. If willy or Mitch get to free agency there will be many teams lining up for a chance to sign them.

If it was the team that would be your top choice in free agency, why wouldn't you? Of course you wouldn't agree to be traded to just anyone, I'm pretty sure that wasn't what was being suggested.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Of course. I just wanted to point out that they don't have to wait until after the end of next season. I'm also assuming that Marner wants to stay, and both sides will want to get it done in the summer.

And Mitch may decide he wants to wait to see what happens with JT.

So many unknowns....

 

[Evilhomer]

I'll say it again - based on how bad your predictions have turned out so far, I'm really worried.

You comment "(even if he gets $10 million)" shows that you're woefully out of touch - the odds of Nylander accepting 10 today are near zero.

What have I not been right about?

 

[Gary Nylund]

And Mitch may decide he wants to wait to see what happens with JT.

So many unknowns....

I don't think Marner cares that much about whatever JT does or doesn't do. I do however think that Nylander doesn't want to sign for X dollars, and then see Marner signed soon after for X+++++ dollars.

Of course nobody can know what anyone is thinking, I just have this gut feeling that if Nylander outplays Marner this season it would be hard for him to stomach Marner making more money than him (again). I don't think that it's inconceivable that he waits for Marner to be extended first and if that process drags on, he decides screw it and signs somewhere else.

 

[Gary Nylund]

What have I not been right about?

You've seriously forgotten already?

You said nobody will remember losing to LA after we beat Boston, you also said we would beat someone else, Buffalo I think it was. I told you it was foolish to think it was a given that we would win those games, you didn't listen, we lost both games. And BTW, I still remember losing to LA.

You also said that we would take over 1st place in our division in January, we'll see what happens, anything's possible of course but it doesn't seem too likely at this point and again, saying it will happen for sure is nothing more than irrational homerism.

That's 3 predictions, so far you're 0-2 and trending towards 0-3. Being wrong is no big deal, we're all wrong from time to time. What's irrational is that you have a habit of saying not that you think something will happen, instead you say "when it happens" as if it's guaranteed to happen.

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

This is by far the most ridiculous post ever in leafland.
NMC are just that. If I play for a team and have a NMC and they ask me to waive, I certainly won’t. I’ll go to free agency and pick the team I want to play for. If willy or Mitch get to free agency there will be many teams lining up for a chance to sign them.

Most former NHL guys all say that NMC's are just to keep you from getting traded to Arizona or Winnipeg. If the player has one...he can dictate his destination compared to not having one. Have you not seen players waive the clause? Are you not watching when players with NMC say they are open to being traded to certain destinations? It's pretty rare that a player sticks it out on a team that doesn't want them. One example being Tory krug who wasn't down with being traded and there was a backlash from the fans because he held up the deal (so far) and decided to stay put.

I don't think Marner cares that much about whatever JT does or doesn't do. I do however think that Nylander doesn't want to sign for X dollars, and then see Marner signed soon after for X+++++ dollars.

Of course nobody can know what anyone is thinking, I just have this gut feeling that if Nylander outplays Marner this season it would be hard for him to stomach Marner making more money than him (again). I don't think that it's inconceivable that he waits for Marner to be extended first and if that process drags on, he decides screw it and signs somewhere else.

I think he is going for Pasternak money and using him as a comparable...again. I agree he would rather play somewhere else than here with Mitch making more than him. But...the reality is..we cannot afford both of them anymore.

 

[ACC1224]

Most former NHL guys all say that NMC's are just to keep you from getting traded to Arizona or Winnipeg. If the player has one...he can dictate his destination compared to not having one. Have you not seen players waive the clause? Are you not watching when players with NMC say they are open to being traded to certain destinations? It's pretty rare that a player sticks it out on a team that doesn't want them. One example being Tory krug who wasn't down with being traded and there was a backlash from the fans because he held up the deal (so far) and decided to stay put.


I think he is going for Pasternak money and using him as a comparable...again. I agree he would rather play somewhere else than here with Mitch making more than him. But...the reality is..we cannot afford both of them anymore.

How many of those examples of yours are hometown guys playing on a contender happily waiving their NMCs?

 

[TheRumble]

This forum is the only place on the Internet where I have to repeatedly explain to people that cap space isn't more valuable than Mitch Marner or William Nylander.

Neither of them are gonna be allowed to walk for free in free agency unless they don't want to come back.

Nylander's price is going up this year because the GM didn't believe that he could outperform a $10.5 million number and he's about to have a monster contract season.

Marner MIGHT be traded if there is a good trade to be made but if there isn't, he's coming back. It just depends on what the price will be. He won't be allowed to walk for free unless Draisaitl decides to sign with us or Rantanen, neither of which are very likely.

We'll have to eat one more year of Tavares' deal, hopefully he has a good season like he's having now. After that we'll be able to reduce that number or he could walk and we'll have it off the books.

 

[ACC1224]

This forum is the only place on the Internet where I have to repeatedly explain to people that cap space isn't more valuable than Mitch Marner or William Nylander.

Neither of them are gonna be allowed to walk for free in free agency unless they don't want to come back.

Nylander's price is going up this year because the GM didn't believe that he could outperform a $10.5 million number and he's about to have a monster contract season.

Marner MIGHT be traded if there is a good trade to be made but if there isn't, he's coming back. It just depends on what the price will be. He won't be allowed to walk for free unless Draisaitl decides to sign with us or Rantanen, neither of which are very likely.

We'll have to eat one more year of Tavares' deal, hopefully he has a good season like he's having now. After that we'll be able to reduce that number or he could walk and we'll have it off the books.

You can repeatedly explain whatever you like but if you don’t understand why Marner won’t be traded people will assume you don’t have a very good understanding of things and mostly ignore your posts.

 

[Evilhomer]

You've seriously forgotten already?

You said nobody will remember losing to LA after we beat Boston, you also said we would beat someone else, Buffalo I think it was. I told you it was foolish to think it was a given that we would win those games, you didn't listen, we lost both games. And BTW, I still remember losing to LA.

You also said that we would take over 1st place in our division in January, we'll see what happens, anything's possible of course but it doesn't seem too likely at this point and again, saying it will happen for sure is nothing more than irrational homerism.

That's 3 predictions, so far you're 0-2 and trending towards 0-3. Being wrong is no big deal, we're all wrong from time to time. What's irrational is that you have a habit of saying not that you think something will happen, instead you say "when it happens" as if it's guaranteed to happen.

Being wrong on the outcome of individual games, sure that happens and I have no issue owning that. But I've been right about the bigger picture stuff, and I think I will continue to be. The Leafs will pass Boston, and it may even be earlier than January given how soft the Leafs' upcoming schedule is.

 

[TheRumble]

You can repeatedly explain whatever you like but if you don’t understand why Marner won’t be traded people will assume you don’t have a very good understanding of things and mostly ignore your posts.

As many others have explained to you already NMC can be waived by a player. I don't know Marner well enough to say he would never waive it. We've been through this with Kadri before. Didn't waive it for Calgary, waived it for Colorado.

 

[Gabriel426]

I really don’t understand why this is an either or between MM and Willie.
The Leafs can sign both of them without really hurting depth too much. JT will be off the book even next year when both Kling and TJ are out that’s 9.25mil.

Sofar this season, Willie is outplaying anyone on the team and pretty much 99% of players in the league that’s include the highest paid player in Mack, the best player in the league in MCD and the current signed highest AVV in the league in AM. So to say that Willie is playing better than MM this season is 100% accurate.
Now is MM having a bad season, he is not dominating but still getting 18th in 16 games which is on pace for 93pts which is also 6 pts less than his career high. That’s hardly struggling.

Can the mod pls rename the title to Willie admit on Swedish TV that he sends nude out.

As many others have explained to you already NMC can be waived by a player. I don't know Marner well enough to say he would never waive it. We've been through this with Kadri before. Didn't waive it for Calgary, waived it for Colorado.

Avs wasn’t on his NTC list but I agree that players do waive.

 

[Mess]

Marner signed for 13.38% of the cap at the time, over a 6 year contract.

13.38% of the current $83,500,000 cap would be $11,172,300.

13.38% of the projected 87,500,000 cap would be $11,707,500.

The greatest injustice to the Maple Leafs was a incompetent naive GM didn't understand the difference between 4 X RFA (cost controllable years) and 2X UFA (expensive years).

When the Leafs are now negotiating with Nylander and the $10 -$10.5 mil rumoured ask is that would be for only costly UFA years where market supply and demand rather than using previous RFA comparable players.

Willy's previous deal at $7 mil including 4 X RFA years was the only one of the 3 Amigo's deal that was at rate where RFA comparables gave the Leafs team any real value on that contract, but now Willy has moved to his 3rd contract and now influenced by supply and demand where he knows if the Leafs are not willing to pay him his ask, as a UFA he likely believes he will get it on the unrestricted free agent market.

Leafs new GM might believe that he can only afford to keep one of these elite "Wingers" at among the highest contracts/AAV in the NHL, and along with Matthews remain Cup competitive as past has shown Leafs cap heavy spending on forwards have made them 1st round easy out for the most part not able to have a supporting cast and strong enough Defence & Goaltending to be true Cup competitive.

 

[Judas Tavares]

I don't think it is as much as they can't sign both Nylander and Marner, as much as it is some posters prefer not to stomach 4 players making over $10M+ which would be for one year. Once Tavares is up, I'm guessing 3 isn't palatable either for some. Which is fine.

Having only 2 would signify two large aspects. One, it means there would be tons of space to allocate elsewhere. But also, it will mean that a major shakeup happened in the core 4, since only 2 would remain, signifying somewhat of a shift in direction and philosophy, which is what some want after seeing previous results.

 

[Evilhomer]

We'll have to eat one more year of Tavares' deal, hopefully he has a good season like he's having now. After that we'll be able to reduce that number or he could walk and we'll have it off the books.

I don't think there is any chance Tavares doesn't resign with the Leafs. It will just be a matter of what the number and term are. I could see a 3 year deal at $5 or $6 million per season. He will almost certainly still be a near point per game player by the end of next season, so I don't think he will sign for $1 million.

 

[ULF_55]

I don't think there is any chance Tavares doesn't resign with the Leafs. It will just be a matter of what the number and term are. I could see a 3 year deal at $5 or $6 million per season. He will almost certainly still be a near point per game player by the end of next season, so I don't think he will sign for $1 million.

I'd be fine giving him the same contract a Conn Smythe, 2*Ross, Hart and Lindsay winner got, even though he isn't close to that.

3*6.1mm

If he takes a bit less, maybe even give him a 4th. year.