Nylander contract discussion - New Poll

[Dragao6]

I don't think many players did better against Boston last year than against all the other teams combined.

Against Vegas he actually produced better in g/60 and only slightly worse (2.31 to 2.62) in p/60 at even strength (which eliminates PP and EN).

And again, in the playoffs it happened to the other three more than to Nylander.

I was talking this year mostly where his form did drop compared to the rest of his streak but that’s great
Seems you are all drinking the cool aid so I guess we should all stop complaining about these guys and their play, contracts and lack of playoff success.
We’re on the right track and the parade is coming like everyone else makes fun of us for!!!

There is a reason where when teams get outplayed they get physical vs us and it usually works. There’s a reason why a very bad Habs team turned into goones and knocked us out, same for a good Florida team. It’s what bruins and Tampa also did, it is known that if you make games hard and physical vs us u get success specially when u eliminate the easy games of a regular season and have consistant hard games in a series. Why we have he so much playoff successs and we cry every spring. Fire this guy, trade this guy lol

Anyways…

Even at 11m you sign Nylander and figure it out. Next year will be a lot of rookie/league min contracts anyways, could go well, could go horribly.

Knies (0.925) - Matthews (13.25) - Marner (10.9)
Robertson (0.900) - Tavares (11) - Nylander (11)
Holmberg (0.800) - Kampf (2.4) - Janrkrok (2.1)
McMann (0.800) - Minten (0.845) - Cowan (0.935)
X

Rielly (7.5) - X
McCabe (2) - Liljegren (~3.5)
X - Timmins (1.1)
X

Woll (0.776)
X

Assuming a cap around 86/87m, 15-16m to find a top 4 D (Pesce, Hanifin, etc), depth D, backup goalie.

Year after that is the year to use Tavares and potentially Marner money to reconsider the depth of the roster.

Next year?
It’s been like that for many years now no?

 

[Dragao6]

That’s the thing, you can not have 3 forwards (after JT’s contract expires) making 10+. You really don’t need that many forwards making that much against the cap. I am 100% against that. I do not care by how much the cap is going up. You don’t need that many high priced forwards. I hope they trade one of them in the next couple of years.

I do think the answer is tavares
When his contract is up he either signs a really friendly deal or he’s out and 34 is our new C
That to me is obvious
Marner should also be making less and prob same as nylander now

Don’t do a dubas-tavares and overpay which affects the rest of your roster also
The number to me is now 10
Not a pennie more
The comparison can even be the same as last time. even though he’s been great and it goes back to last year also, is he better then Pasternak who is on 11.2?
Goals and 24 pts in 11 games and plays hard!!!
If you have to wait till end of season because it will show itself. I do not think he wants to leave so I’m not worried

Imagine a matthews at 13
Nylander and marner at 10
Gives us alittle room for goalie and D?

 

[CabanaBoy5]

I do think the answer is tavares
When his contract is up he either signs a really friendly deal or he’s out and 34 is our new C
That to me is obvious
Marner should also be making less and prob same as nylander now

Don’t do a dubas-tavares and overpay which affects the rest of your roster also
The number to me is now 10
Not a pennie more
The comparison can even be the same as last time. even though he’s been great and it goes back to last year also, is he better then Pasternak who is on 11.2?
Goals and 24 pts in 11 games and plays hard!!!
If you have to wait till end of season because it will show itself. I do not think he wants to leave so I’m not worried

Imagine a matthews at 13
Nylander and marner at 10
Gives us alittle room for goalie and D?

Marner is not going to sign for less than he is making now but I wouldn’t give him a penny more than 11 mill. I’d give Nylander 10.5, which was probablyy his starting asking price anyways. He will slow down a little which is when Treliving should pounce.

 

[weems]

Tre should have re-signed him for 9 mil at the beginning of the season. That would look like a steal now. Leafs cannot possibly afford to sign willy. He will get between 12 and 13 million.

Willy can go to the highest bidder and I promise you, the Leafs won't be one of those teams bidding.

This is entirely Dubas's fault.....and tre to a certain extent.

So enjoy watching him now because after this season, you won't get to watch him again in a leafs uniform.

What makes you think Nylander would have signed for 9M?

That's the thing, we can say Treliving should have signed him but at the end of the day the player holds all the power and doesn't have to sign.

It's most likely that Nylander and his agent thought he'd have a great UFA season so they weren't going to sign unless it was some crazy overpay at the time.

 

[Jojalu]

Unlikely to happen but right now he is pacing to beat Gilmour's single season point record.

56 goals and 128 point pace. At this point I think it would be disappointing if he didn't notch 100 points.

 

[34]

Unlikely to happen but right now he is pacing to beat Gilmour's single season point record.

56 goals and 128 point pace. At this point I think it would be disappointing if he didn't notch 100 points.

He should hit 100 points.

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

It's a sad reality that the better Nylander plays, the less likely it is they'll be able to afford him (or Marner, take your pick). Nylander *is* going to demand at least Marner money and Marner will be looking for a raise. I'll say it again: the ask will be $12.5M and Nylander will settle for $11.5M. Someone will pay him this whether it's the Leafs or elsewhere.

 

[arso40]

Marner is not going to sign for less than he is making now but I wouldn’t give him a penny more than 11 mill. I’d give Nylander 10.5, which was probablyy his starting asking price anyways. He will slow down a little which is when Treliving should pounce.

What if he doesn’t?

 

[NMacrules]

What makes you think Nylander would have signed for 9M?

That's the thing, we can say Treliving should have signed him but at the end of the day the player holds all the power and doesn't have to sign.

It's most likely that Nylander and his agent thought he'd have a great UFA season so they weren't going to sign unless it was some crazy overpay at the time.

What makes you think he wouldn't?

Nylander is done in Toronto. Leafs cannot afford another huge contract.

 

[TheDoldrums]

Fact is, Nylander is done in Toronto. Leafs cannot afford another huge contract.

So enjoy watching him now because after this season, you won't get to watch him again in a leafs uniform.

Let's make a deal since you're so sure. When Nylander signs you have to stick to the Habs board and stop coming here.

 

[CabanaBoy5]

What if he doesn’t?

If he doesn’t, then I’d give him 11 mill x 8. Sustaining this kind of pace would truly put him amongst the elite in the league. Not giving Marner more than 11 gives us some savings that could be put towards Nylander. I think Marner is going to ask for 12.5-13 mill.

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

If he doesn’t, then I’d give him 11 mill x 8. Sustaining this kind of pace would truly put him amongst the elite in the league. Not giving Marner more than 11 gives us some savings that could be put towards Nylander. I think Marner is going to ask for 12.5-13 mill.

The issue I believe that will come up with MM is that if we let Willy walk...MM will hold us hostage knowing we won't let 2 stars walk and bend us over. So in essence...by being cheap on Willy and trying to low ball him...you might be setting the stage for MM to come in and take all of the extra money you saved by not signing Willy. Given the choice...I take Willy and trade MM. You know you can't have both of them going forward.

 

[Gary Nylund]

It's a sad reality that the better Nylander plays, the less likely it is they'll be able to afford him (or Marner, take your pick). Nylander *is* going to demand at least Marner money and Marner will be looking for a raise. I'll say it again: the ask will be $12.5M and Nylander will settle for $11.5M. Someone will pay him this whether it's the Leafs or elsewhere.

This is why I say Nylander might not want to sign before Marner and if he keeps outplaying Marner the way he has been, I could see it playing out like this. He's held out for months before so I don't think he as any issue with becoming an UFA, I think it's quite likely that this happens. And everyone should understand that UFA's get overpaid, that's just the way it is. So if his true worth is 10, there's no point in complaining about having to pay him more, you either pay him more or you might lose him for nothing, that's just the way it works.

It might be the case that Nylander would be willing to sign for something like 10.5 today, if it wasn't for the possibility that they give Marner something like 12 later and I can't really blame him. So he waits until the summer, becomes UFA and no matter what Leafs offer, he says get back to me once the Marner contract is done, I want to see what his cap hit is first and in the mean time, he can sit back and consider all the money other teams will be throwing at him. Someone will probably offer him at least 12x7, so he'll be in no rush to take 10 (or even 11) from the Leafs, especially not when there's the possibility of them giving Marner more later. And if making max money is his top priority, then he's gone because the Leafs will be unwilling to match the top offer.

The best course of action might be for the Leafs to decide that they are willing to offer Marner and Nylander both 11, and tell them both that right away. If they can convince Nylander that they mean it, than he might be willing to sign now. But if Nylander doesn't think he can take Tre at his word, they might have to go public with it to convince Nylander that they really mean it but that's something they won't want to do so the only option then might be to just wait until the summer. Either way, they're in a tough spot with Nylander, no doubt about it.

The issue I believe that will come up with MM is that if we let Willy walk...MM will hold us hostage knowing we won't let 2 stars walk and bend us over. So in essence...by being cheap on Willy and trying to low ball him...you might be setting the stage for MM to come in and take all of the extra money you saved by not signing Willy. Given the choice...I take Willy and trade MM. You know you can't have both of them going forward.

Not sure why people keep ignoring the fact that Marner has that pesky NMC. Might just have to let him walk if it comes to that.

 

[Evilhomer]

And if making max money is his top priority, then he's gone because the Leafs will be unwilling to match the top offer.

Of course they will. No team lets one of the best players in the league leave over $500k or $1 million per season. It just won't happen. Toronto won't even let him get to UFA. The team will ultimately "fold" and sign him for something close to what he is asking for, and it will be the correct decision. The extra $3 million that Nylander will then be making per season (even if he gets $10 million) will be mostly made up when the team lets Samsonov go and signs a $1 million back-up to Woll. The cap increase will then allow them to either make a decision on Bertuzzi or Domi, or sign a defenseman.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Of course they will. No team lets one of the best players in the league leave over $500k or $1 million per season. It just won't happen. Toronto won't even let him get to UFA. The team will ultimately "fold" and sign him for something close to what he is asking for, and it will be the correct decision. The extra $3 million that Nylander will then be making per season (even if he gets $10 million) will be mostly made up when the team lets Samsonov go and signs a $1 million back-up to Woll. The cap increase will then allow them to either make a decision on Bertuzzi or Domi, or sign a defenseman.

I'll say it again - based on how bad your predictions have turned out so far, I'm really worried.

You comment "(even if he gets $10 million)" shows that you're woefully out of touch - the odds of Nylander accepting 10 today are near zero.

 

[ITM]

What makes you think he wouldn't?

Fact is, Nylander is done in Toronto. Leafs cannot afford another huge contract.

No…That’s not what fact means.

Nylander plays for Toronto - that’s a fact. He isn’t done in Toronto - that’s a fact.

Leafs will have the space available to afford an $11-12M dollar Nylander at the end of the season when numerous contracts come off the books that will accommodate the $4-5M dollar raise, if he and the club agree to terms.

These are things known to be proven or true. These are facts.

Your strong preferences don’t meet the standards of what facts require.

That’s also a fact.

 

[Machinae]

16 games in and i'm giving Willie the Matthews contract if that is what it takes. Caps gonna skyrocket the next few seasons.

 

[ULF_55]

Should sign Nylander to a 1 year $11,088,000 deal ...

Then decide which $11mm players you want to retain for 2025 season going forward.

j/k

Don't see how Nylander can maintain this for the season, however if he does we're probably looking at votes for the Hart.

Nylander went through a few games where he wasn't hitting it but he climbed back up there.

Teams needs more consistency from their other 1st. line.

 

[Machinae]

Marner signed for 13.38% of the cap at the time, over a 6 year contract.

13.38% of the current $83,500,000 cap would be $11,172,300.

13.38% of the projected 87,500,000 cap would be $11,707,500.

 

[therealkoho]

Boy wonder Dubas imo was too much of a fanboy of individual players to ever be handling contract negotiations. How in the world do other GMs manage to get most of their stars signed to contracts that allow future flexibility.

Dubas made a huge miscalculation when dealing with Marner and then compounded it by allowing the Matthews cabal to bend him over twice, once on amount per season and then the length of the contract. Absolute amateur hour that has handcuffed the team for now and the foreseeable future.


Treliving couldn't say no, nor impress upon Matthews that not only wasn't he Kyle Dubas, but that 13 and change wasn't realistic, but maybe 12.5 and 6 years would go a long way of showing loyalty to both the team and the fans who buy those 300 dollar tickets in order to make you a multimillionaire. Unfortunately the die was already cast.

I don't know who's going to convince Nylander and then Marner to take 2 year bridge deals, because they're needed going forward. This Bally money problem will be washing up on the NHL shores in another 2 years and it's going to impact teams soundly. Especially teams up nice and cozy to max allowance.

TV money is starting to dwindle and the big US networks are going to put what money they do have into the NFL and MLB or the NBA. The old standbys that bring in solid revenue. Look at the WS numbers, two teams without national followings that averaged under 9.1m households per night. Those numbers established a new low for MLB. There was a time when Yankees/Red Sox would get that number for a weekend series.

Currently the NHL is getting 2.6m viewers per game in the US and that number ain't good enough to warrant the rise in revenue Bettman has been intimating.

 

[Arzak]

Unlikely to happen but right now he is pacing to beat Gilmour's single season point record.

56 goals and 128 point pace. At this point I think it would be disappointing if he didn't notch 100 points.

Nylander will hit 100 , unlike Mitch. Pay him, trade Marner

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

This is why I say Nylander might not want to sign before Marner and if he keeps outplaying Marner the way he has been, I could see it playing out like this. He's held out for months before so I don't think he as any issue with becoming an UFA, I think it's quite likely that this happens. And everyone should understand that UFA's get overpaid, that's just the way it is. So if his true worth is 10, there's no point in complaining about having to pay him more, you either pay him more or you might lose him for nothing, that's just the way it works.

It might be the case that Nylander would be willing to sign for something like 10.5 today, if it wasn't for the possibility that they give Marner something like 12 later and I can't really blame him. So he waits until the summer, becomes UFA and no matter what Leafs offer, he says get back to me once the Marner contract is done, I want to see what his cap hit is first and in the mean time, he can sit back and consider all the money other teams will be throwing at him. Someone will probably offer him at least 12x7, so he'll be in no rush to take 10 (or even 11) from the Leafs, especially not when there's the possibility of them giving Marner more later. And if making max money is his top priority, then he's gone because the Leafs will be unwilling to match the top offer.

The best course of action might be for the Leafs to decide that they are willing to offer Marner and Nylander both 11, and tell them both that right away. If they can convince Nylander that they mean it, than he might be willing to sign now. But if Nylander doesn't think he can take Tre at his word, they might have to go public with it to convince Nylander that they really mean it but that's something they won't want to do so the only option then might be to just wait until the summer. Either way, they're in a tough spot with Nylander, no doubt about it.




Not sure why people keep ignoring the fact that Marner has that pesky NMC. Might just have to let him walk if it comes to that.

NMC are more like a suggestion on what teams you would like to be moved to than they are staying put. In most cases players like Mitch will know they are no longer wanted and their play might suffer enough that it will cost him money as a new UFA. I doubt most guys want to stick around if it is known they want to move them and then leave as a UFA anyways. It's a bad look on the player (as well as the GM) and most agree to 3-5 teams that they would be willing to moved to. There are only so many teams that can even take on that cap hit...so you can't be too picky.

 

[Gilmour1996]

Nylander will hit 100 , unlike Mitch. Pay him, trade Marner

Please explain how you would trade Marner.

 

[Gary Nylund]

NMC are more like a suggestion on what teams you would like to be moved to than they are staying put. In most cases players like Mitch will know they are no longer wanted and their play might suffer enough that it will cost him money as a new UFA. I doubt most guys want to stick around if it is known they want to move them and then leave as a UFA anyways. It's a bad look on the player (as well as the GM) and most agree to 3-5 teams that they would be willing to moved to. There are only so many teams that can even take on that cap hit...so you can't be too picky.

I think the Leafs will resign Marner, it just feels like that's what will happen.

That said, if you're right then this is what I would do for sure. This organization needs a shake up really badly, I don't see us winning the cup without it and moving on from Marner seems like the right move for a number of reasons.

You say most cases - I don't follow the rest of the league that closely so I could be wrong but my impression is that this sort of thing hardly ever happens. Can you tell what high profile players with full NMC's have agreed to be moved in the past?

 

[Arzak]

Please explain how you would trade Marner.

By trade, I meant leave him in Sweden. Bridge Nylander, let Marner walk for free if it's between trading Nylander now or letting Marner go, easy choice.


Not to mention if there is one player who's ego could be hurt enough to wave NMC its Mitch the stable Marner.

Wave or play the next two years 10 min per game, pk only? As the saying goes, where's will there's way, you just need to be flexible.