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What is your limit for a "Cap %" for Nylander

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Not signing him in the offseason is going to cost us. Not sure what the problem has been all this time.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Nylander at 8 years for 10 million is 80 million, at 7 years for 11 million it is 77 million.

If Leafs had offered him that in the offseason that deal would be long signed. As I recall, they were in the high 8's, low 9's.

Good luck signing him for under 10.5 right now.
 
Sundinisagod said:
Im not following you?

Would you choose to work 7 years or 8 years to earn the same amount of money? Would you choose to retire 1 year later and not make any extra money from working that extra year?
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Depends on how you structure the deal.

If the Leafs are *heavily* front loading it with signing bonuses and the 8th year is minimal salary versus a team offering me 7 years but zero / small signing bonuses, the 8 year deal from Toronto could still be more appealing.

Money today is worth more than it will be tomorrow, and if Toronto is shoveling a lot of money into Nylander's pocket in the first 1-3 years, it's smarter to take the Toronto deal.

Plus being a UFA at 35-36 versus 36-37 isn't much to worry about, while he could age like Pavelski, most don't and hitting UFA a year sooner likely won't mean much in the grand scheme of things for career earnings.

If you were arguing for the same money with no contract structure taken into account, of course you would take a 7 year deal vs an 8 year deal but Toronto has the ability to move money quickly into Nylander's pockets because of their ability to throw money around.
 
Dekes For Days said:
Nylander's been great this season. Hope we sign him while in Sweden.

Though it's hilarious watching people be like OMG a hot 10 game stretch! His base price just went up 5 million dollars!!!!

That's not how this works. :laugh:
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Hey why not? Every secondary assist Marner piles up counts the same as a goal scored by Pasta or Rantanen when it comes to contractual comparables
 
Sundinisagod said:
Im not following you?

Would you choose to work 7 years or 8 years to earn the same amount of money? Would you choose to retire 1 year later and not make any extra money from working that extra year?
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$1M now or 1$ per day for a million days contract, it's all the same
 
supermann_98 said:
Hey why not? Every secondary assist Marner piles up counts the same as a goal scored by Pasta or Rantanen when it comes to contractual comparables
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Pastas goals barely count around here < 2nd assist from Mitch

Bergeron + Marchand inflated his stats. They inflated no one else's stats, but somehow it's very beneficial point-wise for Pasta to play with these two.

It's still true, the fact that he played with Zacha and Krejci having his best season should tell you if anything it's the other way around. Nope, It's still Bergeron ghost inflating his stats.

McDavid 64 Goals 22:23 per game
Pasta 61 Goals 19:36 per game*

* (almost no PK )
 
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Considering the next contract would be when he is older and he could be done for all we know. Its in Nylanders best interest to take 8 years @ 10m vs 7 years at 10.5m. The offering team would need to give me 7 x 11m and even then I would be running with the assumption my salary at that time would exceeds say 4m. Kind of risky.

I would take the 8x10m but try to get 10.5m obviously. Front loaded of course. The fear of being the next Grabo makes me take the long deal.
 
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The Athletic is gonna bankrupt us

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Arzak said:
Pastas goals barely count around here < 2nd assist from Mitch

Bergeron + Marchand inflated his stats. They inflated no one else's stats, but somehow it's very beneficial point-wise for Pasta to play with these two.

It's still true, the fact that he played with Zacha and Krejci having his best season should tell you if anything it's the other way around. Nope, It's still Bergeron ghost inflating his stats.

McDavid 64 Goals 22:23 per game
Pasta 61 Goals 19:36 per game*

* (almost no PK )
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He was one the best line in hockey for awhile, but one of the key reasons it was the best line is because he was on it. Remarkable player
 
supermann_98 said:
Hey why not? Every secondary assist Marner piles up counts the same as a goal scored by Pasta or Rantanen when it comes to contractual comparables
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Well first off, the relative value of different types of points has absolutely nothing to do with the importance of using proper sample sizes in contract valuations, or the wild exaggerations people have about how a hot stretch impacts valuation. Second, I'm not sure where you got the idea that Marner only gets secondary assists in the first place. He's one of the best primary point producers in the league.
 
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Dekes For Days said:
Well first off, the relative value of different types of points has absolutely nothing to do with the importance of using proper sample sizes in contract valuations, or the wild exaggerations people have about how a hot stretch impacts valuation. Second, I'm not sure where you got the idea that Marner only gets secondary assists in the first place. He's one of the best primary point producers in the league.
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Not a single primary assist worth mentioning. You need to watch it before you post.
He collects primary assists on plays where Matthews scores, rarely it's a tap in thanks to Marner's brilliant playmaking.

Then again you failed to watch the last 5 games, so what do you know about Leafs hockey apart from Mitch's advanced stats?
 
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Four $10+ players (~$45m with 88m cap) who have one second round game win to show in 5 years together would put a bow on the Shanahan era for me. No way Shanny survives another early round exit.
 
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Arzak said:
Not a single primary assist worth mentioning. You need to watch it before you post.
He collects primary assists on plays where Matthews scores, rarely it's a tap in thanks to Marner's brilliant playmaking.
Then again you failed to watch the last 5 games, so what do you know about Leafs hockey apart from Mitch's advanced stats?
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I've watched every single game, and know way more about Leafs hockey than you, that's for sure.
First it was points are all that matters. They are perfect and infallible, and let's ignore every other way to evaluate player impact. Look at this tiny sample where Marner has less points! Garbage! Then, when Marner leads in points, suddenly points are worthless. Only primary points matter. Then, when Marner leads in primary points, suddenly primary points are worthless. The only way to evaluate is to flip through a tiny sample of highlights with extreme prejudice and arbitrarily conclude, against all evidence, that the guy did nothing.

The fact that you seem to think Marner did nothing in those highlights and that playmaking only provides value when there are "tap ins" pretty much says it all.
If you want to jump through hoops to dismiss everything Marner does, you do you. The rest of us will enjoy having one of the best players in the league helping our team.
 
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ToneDog said:
Four $10+ players (~$45m with 88m cap) who have one second round game win to show in 5 years together would put a bow on the Shanahan era for me. No way Shanny survives another early round exit.
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I’m not convinced Shanahan would be turfed after another failed season. He’s apparently made of teflon, nothing seems to stick to him. That and MLSE as a organization is dysfunctional……..
 
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rumman said:
I’m not convinced Shanahan would be turfed after another failed season. He’s apparently made of teflon, nothing seems to stick to him. That and MLSE as a organization is dysfunctional……..
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We don't know what they judge his performance on.
 
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rumman said:
I’m not convinced Shanahan would be turfed after another failed season. He’s apparently made of teflon, nothing seems to stick to him. That and MLSE as a organization is dysfunctional……..
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Yeah people were saying he'd be gone after losing in the 1st round to MTL but alas ... at this point I wouldn't be making any predictions whatsoever re. Shanahan.
 
ACC1224 said:
It wouldn’t be any one thing
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Playoff success is a pretty big criteria for most teams. How many kicks at the can is enough for one President. The Shanahan era will be a decade old soon.

Edit: was listening to Friedman saying it is a results oriented business. It seems, not in Toronto.
 
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ToneDog said:
Playoff success is a pretty big criteria for most teams. How many kicks at the can is enough for one President. The Shanahan era will be a decade old soon.

Edit: was listening to Friedman saying it is a results oriented business. It seems, not in Toronto.
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I think that would be the #1 criteria for a GM, not a President.
President I would assume, would be judged on more operational things and proftablilty.
 
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