Nylander contract discussion - New Poll

[WTFMAN99]

That's what I'm saying...Nylander shouldn't get more than EP for several reasons, and no tax advantage for Vancouver either, but they'll ignore that and focus on M & M instead.

The funny thing is so many agents reject Marner's deal as an outlier, that might have come up on OverDrive.

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

Then goodbye Willy
It would be different if marner and Tavares weren’t two years away
We could never give Willy 11.5 and still put a competitive team on the ice

Well that's kind of what I've been saying. I don't think they can afford him and unfortunately, he's the only high salary player they have clear leverage over at this point.

 

[Canadian Finn]

not to mention Willy doesn't fit in the loser/lazy culture that the Leafs are really trying hard to maintain.

 

[Menzinger]

Two things to consider:

1. Everyone loves Nylander right now because he is only 7 mill player and playing really well. Marner is disliked because of his contract. Willy needs to consider that because this will be his standard and even more moving forward if he signs above 10 mill.

2. You have to choose between nylander and marner at some point. That is just a fact.

Why would that be the case?

I can see it being the preference of some, but there's no reason they both can't continue to make up part of the Leafs core for the next 5+ seasons

 

[Arzak]

Two things to consider:

1. Everyone loves Nylander right now because he is only 7 mill player and playing really well. Marner is disliked because of his contract. Willy needs to consider that because this will be his standard and even more moving forward if he signs above 10 mill.

2. You have to choose between nylander and marner at some point. That is just a fact.

At the moment he shares all the responsibility of core, while not making $11M+.

It's silly to think there is even higher standard for Marner right now. All we hear is, wait till his streak matches Marner, not what a great achievement for 7M AAV it is now.

 

[ihadtochangethename]

Why are these threads together?

 

[notdoneyet]

Why are these threads together?

These threads are together because all the marner fans run Willy down
And
All the Willy fans run marner down
It’s been that way since day one.
It’s always been marner vs nylander. There is no in between. Everyone wants to elevate their favourite guy by cutting down the other one.
Not going to change

 

[34]

I think it’s 10 5 - 11 mill that willy signs on

It will be $10.5-$11.5M. Willy has proven himself to be a top 10 player in the NHL.

 

[Sundinisagod]

It will be $10.5-$11.5M. Willy has proven himself to be a top 10 player in the NHL.

It's gonna start with 11 imho. He won't take less than Marner and Tavares. I could see him, ahem, 'settling' for 11m on a 8 year deal (that takes him to age 36) or looking at closer to 12 on a shorter deal...ie 11.88 x 5ish years.

 

[ACC1224]

Why are these threads together?

Some people have trouble staying on topic so the title was changed so people would know what to expect when they opened the thread.

Anyway, two super elite players who should be Leafs for life.

 

[34]

It's gonna start with 11 imho. He won't take less than Marner and Tavares. I could see him, ahem, 'settling' for 11m on a 8 year deal (that takes him to age 36) or looking at closer to 12 on a shorter deal...ie 11.88 x 5ish years.

Top 10 player in the league. He will get paid.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Top 10 player in the league. He will get paid.

McDavid
Leon
Matthews
MacKinnon
Makar
Fox
Pettersson
J.Hughes
Q.Hughes
Heiskanen

Then you have a bunch of goalies and other guys like Kucherov, Panarin, Rantanen, Tkachuk, Point, Marner, Pastrnak to talk about

Also guys that I wouldn't normally put ahead of them but since we're talking about Nylander's crazy year this year, these guys are having better years, JT Miller and Sam Reinhart.

He's not a top 10 guy, probably top 20-35, depends on how much you really want to debate.

I don't see how he pulls 11 when Pasta got 11.25M and scored 60 goals, has a Rocket etc.

 

[ACC1224]

McDavid
Leon
Matthews
MacKinnon
Makar
Fox
Pettersson
J.Hughes
Q.Hughes
Heiskanen

Then you have a bunch of goalies and other guys like Kucherov, Panarin, Rantanen, Tkachuk, Point, Marner, Pastrnak to talk about

Also guys that I wouldn't normally put ahead of them but since we're talking about Nylander's crazy year this year, these guys are having better years, JT Miller and Sam Reinhart.

He's not a top 10 guy, probably top 20-35, depends on how much you really want to debate.

I don't see how he pulls 11 when Pasta got 11.25M and scored 60 goals, has a Rocket etc.

So much talent in the league now it’s impossible to come up with a top 10.

 

[Legion34]

It's gonna start with 11 imho. He won't take less than Marner and Tavares. I could see him, ahem, 'settling' for 11m on a 8 year deal (that takes him to age 36) or looking at closer to 12 on a shorter deal...ie 11.88 x 5ish years.

11 x8?

88 million? When we are the only team that can offer 8 years.

That would be 12.5 x 7 for any other team.

I’m out at that point.

Marner is a 35 g 99 pt selke finalist
Willy is a 40 g 85.


I want nothing to do with that.

I am going for lindholm/stammer/guentzel/Reinhardt for much less if that’s the ask after 15 game s

 

[Sundinisagod]

11 x8?

88 million? When we are the only team that can offer 8 years.

That would be 12.5 x 7 for any other team.

I’m out at that point.

Marner is a 35 g 99 pt selke finalist
Willy is a 40 g 85.


I want nothing to do with that.

I am going for lindholm/stammer/guentzel/Reinhardt for much less if that’s the ask after 15 game s

I think he would take less money from other teams because of 2 main reasons, firstly he could sign for 10m somewhere like Florida and i think he'd have a higher take home pay. Secondly, there is no Marner or Tavares on other teams for him to set his floor with. The Leafs will have to overpay him a bit to retain his services imho. Personally Im more concerned about the term we'll give him than the actual cap hit.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Two things to consider:

1. Everyone loves Nylander right now because he is only 7 mill player and playing really well. Marner is disliked because of his contract. Willy needs to consider that because this will be his standard and even more moving forward if he signs above 10 mill.

2. You have to choose between nylander and marner at some point. That is just a fact.

I'm not sure it's true that we would have to choose, but if so the answer is pretty clear.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Why are these threads together?

It used to be a thread about Willy's upcoming contract.

Then someone decided we were not going to be able to sign him, so they added the poll, with no 'sign him' option.

The major argument for not signing him was that we couldn't afford it because of Marner, so Mitch became a large part of the thread. It was finally renamed to reflect that.

 

[rumman]

Some people have trouble staying on topic so the title was changed so people would know what to expect when they opened the thread.

Anyway, two super elite players who should be Leafs for life.

No matter the cost?

 

[Dekes For Days]

Nylander's been great this season. Hope we sign him while in Sweden.

Though it's hilarious watching people be like OMG a hot 10 game stretch! His base price just went up 5 million dollars!!!!

That's not how this works.

 

[Arzak]

Nylander's been great this season. Hope we sign him while in Sweden.

Though it's hilarious watching people be like OMG a hot 10 game stretch! His base price just went up 5 million dollars!!!!

That's not how this works.

15 games now, you missed the last 5 games? Plus he scored on PK,he elite PK now

Anything to belittle non-Marner player

 

[ACC1224]

No matter the cost?

Yes they will pay them both

 

[Dekes For Days]

15 games now, you missed the last 5 games? Plus he scored on PK,he elite PK now
Anything to belittle non-Marner player

Lol, what? Did you miss literally the first sentence of my post, where I said "Nylander's been great this season. Hope we sign him while in Sweden."?
I've never belittled Nylander, and the irony of you accusing others of belittling our stars. I've always been consistent in properly evaluating him, as this board has shifted from underrating Nylander straight to overrating Nylander. In fact, I spent years defending him from unsubstantiated attacks.

Yes, I'm aware that it's been 15 games. His base price also hasn't gone up 5m. It's called an exaggeration to emphasize a point, and I thought that was pretty obvious. Contracts are based on much bigger samples than that. As for the PK, he's averaged 30 seconds per game against secondary units, and unfortunately hasn't done very well. In fact, there are 224 forwards that have played 5+ minutes of PK time this season. Nylander is 222nd out of 224 in on-ice xGA/60 at a staggering 15.02. That's not really a point in his favour.

 

[WTFMAN99]

So much talent in the league now it’s impossible to come up with a top 10.

I'd say the 10 I listed were clearly a cut above the rest, it gets murky after that though, you could debate and split hairs etc

Nylander is having a fantastic year but I don't think I can get above the 9.5M and have confidence in constructing a good roster, we're still too top heavy even when JT expires if you get Nylander at 11.

9.5M x 8 is 10.85M x7 for someone else except the Leafs are one of the few teams in the league that can offer up stupid signing bonuses.

 

[Sundinisagod]

I'd say the 10 I listed were clearly a cut above the rest, it gets murky after that though, you could debate and split hairs etc

Nylander is having a fantastic year but I don't think I can get above the 9.5M and have confidence in constructing a good roster, we're still too top heavy even when JT expires if you get Nylander at 11.

9.5M x 8 is 10.85M x7 for someone else except the Leafs are one of the few teams in the league that can offer up stupid signing bonuses.

Why would somebody work an extra year for free? From Nylander's perspective...

 

[WTFMAN99]

Why would somebody work an extra year for free? From Nylander's perspective...

You don't have to pay the player anything in year 8?

I missed that in the CBA.