Nylander contract discussion - New Poll

[rumman]

Cap distribution is not a problem that shows during a game, scoring is, and it has been scoring that has been our problem in the playoffs.

“in the playoffs” says it all, it’s not scoring that’s the problem………

Maybe the plan is to have things be slightly dicey for 2024-2025, then come come 2025-2026, the cap will have risen and Tavares will be off the books (If he truly wants to stay, he can sign a very cheap contract). Haven't done the math to a tee, but a rising cap and Tavares off the books, even with a Nylander raise and a potential slight Marner raise would likely be less than 40% of the cap by 2025-2026? More palatable I'd think? Maybe I am misjudging how much the cap will rise.

I think 91’s contributions are under appreciated, yes he makes too much coin, but then who doesn’t on the Leafs?

 

[rumman]

Especially if someone thinks that taking 40 goals out of the lineup is the way to win, or even smart.

If you defend better, you need to score less goals, addition by subtraction. This goes ten fold come playoff time when goals are harder to get, you’d think this would be obvious after the last 6 years yet here we are………

 

[34]

Just can’t have everything 34 isn’t going anywhere, JT and Marner have NTC’s so if you sign 88 does that mean you let 16 walk?

I let 16 walk before I let 88 walk.

 

[Racer88]

Except for the fact that it is always goal scoring that turns out to be their achilles heel in the playoffs.

Most will understand this in due time.....but taking goals away will always make it harder to win in the playoffs.

Would we be taking away playoff goals or regular season goals. we seem to score enough goals in the regular season but come playoff time it becomes a problem so is keeping the same guys the answer

If you defend better, you need to score less goals, addition by subtraction. This goes ten fold come playoff time when goals are harder to get, you’d think this would be obvious after the last 6 years yet here we are………

Some posters will come to understand that eventually

 

[IPS]

Would we be taking away playoff goals or regular season goals. we seem to score enough goals in the regular season but come playoff time it becomes a problem so is keeping the same guys the answer


Some posters will come to understand that eventually

Restructuring the cap is no doubt the right move but Nylander is NOT the guy you move out to do that. Tavares is.

 

[notbias]

If you defend better, you need to score less goals, addition by subtraction. This goes ten fold come playoff time when goals are harder to get, you’d think this would be obvious after the last 6 years yet here we are………

last year, 6th in GA, 9th in GF.
year before, 9th in GA, 4th in GF.
year before, 2nd in GA, 10th in GF.
year before, 6th in GA, 19th in GF.
year before, 11th in GA, 11th in GF.

Looks like more often than not, we are not scoring enough.

Would we be taking away playoff goals or regular season goals. we seem to score enough goals in the regular season but come playoff time it becomes a problem so is keeping the same guys the answer

Not sure if keeping the same guys is the right answer, it worked for a couple of teams (mostly Colorado/Washington) and hasn't worked for tons.

I don't think there is a secret formula to winning the cup, but at least in recent years, all of Nylander/Marner/Matthews are PPG and playing well, the myth that they are playoff no shows comes from their younger years playing teams that were super defensive or had great goaltending (Bruins, Columbus, Montreal).

 

[authentic]

Wouldn't dream of trading him when he's playing like this

Would you trade a slightly less speedy McDavid for a stay at home defenseman? No thank you

 

[rumman]

I let 16 walk before I let 88 walk.

It might be the best play, although I hate seeing any elite talent walk for nothing……..

last year, 6th in GA, 9th in GF.
year before, 9th in GA, 4th in GF.
year before, 2nd in GA, 10th in GF.
year before, 6th in GA, 19th in GF.
year before, 11th in GA, 11th in GF.

Looks like more often than not, we are not scoring enough.



Not sure if keeping the same guys is the right answer, it worked for a couple of teams (mostly Colorado/Washington) and hasn't worked for tons.

I don't think there is a secret formula to winning the cup, but at least in recent years, all of Nylander/Marner/Matthews are PPG and playing well, the myth that they are playoff no shows comes from their younger years playing teams that were super defensive or had great goaltending (Bruins, Columbus, Montreal).

So what happens in the playoffs that makes such a difference from the regular season? Everyone knows, but no one wants to address the elephant in the room……..

 

[rumman]

Would you trade a slightly less speedy McDavid for a stay at home defenseman? No thank you

I would if it got me closer to a cup ala the Calgary Flames who traded Brett Hull for Rob Ramage and Rick Wamsley. Gave up a future hall of famer to make the team cup worthy. it takes balls to win a cup, not doing the same thing over and over again. I’m sure I we can debate this after another playoff failure, but who knows, this could be their year……….

 

[1specter]

Would we be taking away playoff goals or regular season goals. we seem to score enough goals in the regular season but come playoff time it becomes a problem so is keeping the same guys the answer


Some posters will come to understand that eventually

Nylander has more playoff goals than Matthews, Marner (more than 2x Marner), and JT over the last 3 playoff runs, and was paid the least of them by a fair margin.

If you want to blame guys for not scoring goals, he's not the one.

 

[34]

It might be the best play, although I hate seeing any elite talent walk for nothing……..


So what happens in the playoffs that makes such a difference from the regular season? Everyone knows, but no one wants to address the elephant in the room……..

That is a very good question. Fact is, Nylander has stepped up in previous playoffs more than any of the core 4 here in Toronto. Hopefully this season has all of them going.

In a perfect scenario, you get Willy signed for $10M @ 5 or 6 years. You get Mitch done this upcoming summer around the same AAV. Tavares is the odd guy out here. I like JT, but if he is not willing to extend at around $6M AAV then he is the one you let walk. No way you lose 88 or 16 for 91.

 

[Jojalu]

I would if it got me closer to a cup ala the Calgary Flames who traded Brett Hull for Rob Ramage and Rick Wamsley. Gave up a future hall of famer to make the team cup worthy. it takes balls to win a cup, not doing the same thing over and over again. I’m sure I we can debate this after another playoff failure, but who knows, this could be their year……….

Brett Hull was a 6th rouns pick who had a career high 50 points when Calgary traded him.

He was a prospect still but not seen as a HOF'er

 

[rumman]

Brett Hull was a 6th rouns pick who had a career high 50 points when Calgary traded him.

He was a prospect still but not seen as a HOF'er

Well Fletcher saw it differently, he said the whole organization knew what they were trading away, but thought it was worth it for a run at the cup

 

[Drytoast]

Especially if someone thinks that taking 40 goals out of the lineup is the way to win, or even smart.

Willy in the lineup has netted us 1 playoff round win in 8 years. Imagine thinking that running it back again will yield better results.

I let 16 walk before I let 88 walk.

16 kills penalties, usually out scores 88 and is tight with AM34

Willy is weak defensively but all you see is flash.

 

[Jojalu]

Well Fletcher saw it differently, he said the whole organization knew what they were trading away, but thought it was worth it for a run at the cup

Interesting.

Can't fault his logic, nor the result.

 

[BallardEra]

People are pegging him at 9.75-10.5 million per year.

 

[sunstersun]

Shoulda gave him 8 x 9.5 early before the season.

Instead we're gonna end up paying him 10.5.

Whatever he's worth it. Marner is not.

 

[Cleetus]

Shoulda gave him 8 x 9.5 early before the season.

Instead we're gonna end up paying him 10.5.

Whatever he's worth it. Marner is not.

who is saying he would of signed at 9.5?

 

[34]

Willy in the lineup has netted us 1 playoff round win in 8 years. Imagine thinking that running it back again will yield better results.


16 kills penalties, usually out scores 88 and is tight with AM34

Willy is weak defensively but all you see is flash.

16 is also a ghost come playoff time. You only see what you want to see. At least 88 shows up in the post season.

 

[mapleleaf979]

For whatever reason, Nylander wants the puck this year. His cutbacks in the offensive zone are never really talked about but are as good as anyone in the NHL. No chance Marner or his agent can look at the GM and say he is on Nylander's level, if Nylander continues to bring all his tools to the table.

 

[1specter]

Willy in the lineup has netted us 1 playoff round win in 8 years. Imagine thinking that running it back again will yield better results.


16 kills penalties, usually out scores 88 and is tight with AM34

Willy is weak defensively but all you see is flash.

I'm going to repeat myself from above - Nylander leads the team in playoff goals over the last 3 playoff runs. He has more than double the goals of Mitch Marner.

Also, Nylander is bigger and stronger than Marner and better at zone entries, and is able to create more separation than Marner in tight checking playoff hockey. Don't believe me?

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Look at the huge difference in Marner's average shooting distance and slot chances in regular season vs playoffs.

Imagine trying to justify an 11M player's contributions as 'but he PKs'. Pretty sure the Leafs PK has been pretty mid in the playoffs anyways.

 

[Menzinger]

Willy in the lineup has netted us 1 playoff round win in 8 years. Imagine thinking that running it back again will yield better results.

Sure, but you could say the same.thing for Matthews, Rielly, Marner, ect.

Lack of playoff goal scoring has been the consistent #1 problem for the team in almost every series they've lost. The team needs to focus on the guys that are able to elevate themselves in the playoffs, which includes Nylander imo.

 

[Drytoast]

Sure, but you could say the same.thing for Matthews, Rielly, Marner, ect.

Lack of playoff goal scoring has been the consistent #1 problem for the team in almost every series they've lost. The team needs to focus on the guys that are able to elevate themselves in the playoffs, which includes Nylander imo.

Yes I can and I have. We've signed Matthews so we've committed. I don't think nor like the idea of handing out 10m+ contracts to Marner and Nylander to get them to stay. And JT may come in cheaper but even he's lighting it up right now so what the hell is he gonna want?

Someone has to go since they all have expectations of making 10m+. And the odd man out is Willy because he sucks at defense and doesn't kill penalty's like Marner does. If he wants to stay, he's gotta take a discount. Otherwise...trade him at the deadline and get maximum return to fill holes that we need to fill in the line up.

Signing him just runs it back and we've seen where that goes. Which is our team eliminated while a much more balanced team wins the cup.

No thanks.

 

[ToneDog]

Yes I can and I have. We've signed Matthews so we've committed. I don't think nor like the idea of handing out 10m+ contracts to Marner and Nylander to get them to stay. And JT may come in cheaper but even he's lighting it up right now so what the hell is he gonna want?

Someone has to go since they all have expectations of making 10m+. And the odd man out is Willy because he sucks at defense and doesn't kill penalty's like Marner does. If he wants to stay, he's gotta take a discount. Otherwise...trade him at the deadline and get maximum return to fill holes that we need to fill in the line up.

Signing him just runs it back and we've seen where that goes. Which is our team eliminated while a much more balanced team wins the cup.

No thanks.

f*** it. Give him $10+m and the fans can enjoy regular season hockey and MLSEL can sell more jerseys.

 

[hotpaws]

Dubas f***ed the cap and there's not much that can be done now with the core 3 but pay them .

ride out this season and next with JT then use his cap space to try to fill out a more balanced roster , not ideal but i'm not trading either Willie or Mitch who are among the best play drivers in the league for multiple lesser pieces