Nylander contract discussion - New Poll

[Byron Bitz]

If these guys want short deals that’s fine with me, I would actually prefer to give Nylander a 4 year deal, less risk of ending up with a bad contract.

 

[Notsince67]

Staring contests always result with tears in the eyes.

Now that Matthews is signed Nylander better be ready to go. If he's not willing to blink Treliving needs to make the first move. Find out what the best return is on a certain greedy winger.

Let some other team pay Nylander eight figures a year to be a complementary player.

Half the fan base wants this guy gone anyway. The only ones who might want him to stick around probably bought his jersey. Otherwise Nylander may find himself all alone in the crying if he's traded.

He can use all that money from his new contract to dry the tears away.

Wow. Someone pee in your cornflakes this morning?

 

[notDatsyuk]

No way he asks for less then 10m now.

No wonder he wants to remain a Leaf. He can ask for more due to the team salary structure. Can’t blame him for that.
As of today he’s not getting 10m on another team. Probably closer to 9.

Asking for $10M isn't bad. Giving it is.

If he gets $9-9.5M we should be happy.

 

[sunstersun]

9.5 is what I'm expecting. It sucks, but whatever. He shows up in the playoffs, and I think still has a higher gear even past 40 goals and 80 points.

This year is big, if we fail again, it's time to start eying a major retool when we get off Tavares contract.

 

[Notsince67]

Asking for $10M isn't bad. Giving it is.

If he gets $9-9.5M we should be happy.

Happy that it's fair.
I am glad Matthews didn't get a NMC for his full price contract and would expect a similar situation for Willy at this price.

 

[BraveCanadian]

9.5 is what I'm expecting. It sucks, but whatever. He shows up in the playoffs, and I think still has a higher gear even past 40 goals and 80 points.

This year is big, if we fail again, it's time to start eying a major retool when we get off Tavares contract.

I think Nylander has the talent to be a 100 point guy, the question is: does he have the motor?

He takes way too many shifts / games off.

 

[Da Cool Rula]

Asking for $10M isn't bad. Giving it is.

If he gets $9-9.5M we should be happy.

I agree 9-9.5 would be great. But we all know will it won’t happen. And there should be no ill will to Willie because of it. Not his fault previous mgmt was stupid.

 

[BraveCanadian]

I agree 9-9.5 would be great. But we all know will it won’t happen. And there should be no ill will to Willie because of it. Not his fault previous mgmt was stupid.

With the way the Leafs have coddled this core of top players, I'd be shocked if they can get Nylander below 10 after he just scored the same number of goals as 13.25 Matthews. Reallllly hoping they do, but I'll be surprised.

The most important thing is to keep pressure on them and no more NMC or NTC so the team actually has leverage on these spoiled brats.

 

[Gary Nylund]

I wish there was an unlike button. I could express my dislike to some stuff posted while relishing in the recognition of the fragile triggered crowd.

Posts like this make you seem a tad fragile yourself.

I think Nylander has the talent to be a 100 point guy, the question is: does he have the motor?

He takes way too many shifts / games off.

I don't mind him taking off some games myself and I certainly don't care about getting 100 points, just be ready for the playoffs

I agree 9-9.5 would be great. But we all know will it won’t happen. And there should be no ill will to Willie because of it. Not his fault previous mgmt was stupid.

No ill will towards any of them, they're all free to do what they want. I'm hoping he'll sign for 9.5, 10 seems like too much but since we overpaid Matthews, I can see Nylander holding out for a bit of an overpayment himself, we'll see.

 

[BraveCanadian]

I don't mind him taking off some games myself and I certainly don't care about getting 100 points, just be ready for the playoffs.

Nylander is wildly overrated in the playoffs here.

No one is saying go 120% balls to the wall the whole regular season and having nothing left in the tank for the playoffs, but building a habit of showing up is kind of important for the playoffs.

 

[Racer88]

Make no mistake about it he 100% would have gotten between 14-15 million in free agency, Matthews absolutely gave a discount

Hahaha this sounds just like the narrative that Tavares gave a discount

 

[Gary Nylund]

Nylander is wildly overrated in the playoffs here.

No one is saying go 120% balls to the wall the whole regular season and having nothing left in the tank for the playoffs, but building a habit of showing up is kind of important for the playoffs.

I'm more than happy with the way he's played in the playoffs last 3 seasons. He's played closer to his max potential than the other high priced bellhops anyway, hard to ask for more than that.

 

[BraveCanadian]

I'm more than happy with the way he's played in the playoffs last 3 seasons. He's played closer to his max potential than the other high priced bellhops anyway, hard to ask for more than that.

Yes, I'm aware of the narrative.. but I think it is baloney. He was invisible a lot of the time.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Yes, I'm aware of the narrative.. but I think it is baloney. He was invisible a lot of the time.

May be a bit of recency bias but what I remember most from the Florida series is us badly needing a goal and M&M being invisible, almost as if they'd given up already while Nylander was still buzzing around, being dangerous, creating chances ...

 

[BraveCanadian]

May be a bit of recency bias but what I remember most from the Florida series is us badly needing a goal and M&M being invisible, almost as if they'd given up already while Nylander was still buzzing around, being dangerous, creating chances ...

He certainly had great timing for his few flashes of brilliance, I'll give him that. Everyone remembers those and forgets how much of a magic man he was the rest of the time.

 

[Gary Nylund]

He certainly had great timing for his few flashes of brilliance, I'll give him that. Everyone remembers those and forgets how much of a magic man he was the rest of the time.

Not sure but I believe nobody has scored more points for us over the last 3 playoffs so that's more than a "few flashes". M&M play together, get paid a ton more, they also didn't get taken off PP1 the way Nylander did so how they couldn't outscore Willie is beyond me. Yes he's nowhere near as good defensively as M&M but still, IMO he's given us better bang for the buck then those guys.

 

[Racer88]

Happy that it's fair.
I am glad Matthews didn't get a NMC for his full price contract and would expect a similar situation for Willy at this price.

So Matthews didn’t get a NMC?

 

[Rob Brown]

He said all the right things in the interview with Friedman, so we'll see.

 

[Fogelhund]

So Matthews didn’t get a NMC?

Correct. No clauses at all have been mentioned in the press, or listed on Cap Friendly.


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I'd like to see Nylander come in at $9.25 x 8.

 

[ToneDog]

It sure sounds like Leafs and Willie are too far apart to get a deal done. Start shopping him hard.

P.S. You are not winning any cups with 4 proven playoff losers making 8 figures and chewing up half the cap.

 

[tuckerintensity]

Correct. No clauses at all have been mentioned in the press, or listed on Cap Friendly.

Cap Friendly's contract page states that the contract is based on reports and the amount and clauses are subject to change.

PuckPedia is reporting that there is a full NMC.

 

[ShaneFalco]

It sure sounds like Leafs and Willie are too far apart to get a deal done. Start shopping him hard.

P.S. You are not winning any cups with 4 proven playoff losers making 8 figures and chewing up half the cap.

Yup going to be harder to move him the closer the season gets

 

[Oscar Peterson]

Not sure but I believe nobody has scored more points for us over the last 3 playoffs so that's more than a "few flashes". M&M play together, get paid a ton more, they also didn't get taken off PP1 the way Nylander did so how they couldn't outscore Willie is beyond me. Yes he's nowhere near as good defensively as M&M but still, IMO he's given us better bang for the buck then those guys.

I still think taking Nylander off PP1 was a terrible decision. Not saying that our players don't need to all be better in bigger moments, but I think Keefe has held this team back in the playoffs more than people give him credit for

 

[notDatsyuk]

Nylander is wildly overrated in the playoffs here.

No one is saying go 120% balls to the wall the whole regular season and having nothing left in the tank for the playoffs, but building a habit of showing up is kind of important for the playoffs.

P/GP Last three seasons regular, playoffs, difference:
Marner 1.27 1.04 -.23
Matthews 1.29 1.00 -.29
Nylander 0.98 1.00 +.02
Tavares 0.96 0.74 -.22

The difference becomes even more apparent if you focus on just the later games.

 

[Gary Nylund]

I still think taking Nylander off PP1 was a terrible decision. Not saying that our players don't need to all be better in bigger moments, but I think Keefe has held this team back in the playoffs more than people give him credit for

Yeah I'm not one of those who's constantly complaining about the coach but these playoffs, taking Nylander off PP1 and also playing him less than he should overall was IMO a massive and obvious mistake and I'd gladly fire him just for that alone.

P/GP Last three seasons regular, playoffs, difference:
Marner 1.27 1.04 -.23
Matthews 1.29 1.00 -.29
Nylander 0.98 1.00 +.02
Tavares 0.96 0.74 -.22

The difference becomes even more apparent if you focus on just the later games.

This. A thousand time this! So tired of hearing that playoff performance doesn't matter when negotiating contracts.