Nylander contract discussion - New Poll

[Racer88]

Though worth remembering stuff they trickles out from the media doesn't mean it's a lock to happen. I lost track of all the suggestions Matthews was going to sign for 3 years at 14-15 mil...

If Nylanders agent is starting discussions around 10 mil, it's going to mean his eventual contract will be lower. Especially with the number of comparables we have

That’s only if Willy decides to accept a number starting with 9. If he thinks he is a 10 million player he could simply wait until nextJuly and hope to get it from someone else

 

[PromisedLand]

ok seriously who else is a bit scared?

 

[thewave]

ok seriously who else is a bit scared?

Why worried. He is a star 40 goals and can blow by people on a zone entry almost like McDavid. Certainly worth 9m maybe pushing it at 10m but if we move Marner and JT expires we can balance things out nice. 60 goal C and a 40 goal W on a team is nice. Both generate for themselves too.

 

[TheGreenTBer]

Why worried. He is a star 40 goals and can blow by people on a zone entry almost like McDavid. Certainly worth 9m maybe pushing it at 10m but if we move Marner and JT expires we can balance things out nice. 60 goal C and a 40 goal W on a team is nice. Both generate for themselves too.

Time already passed for that.

Money Mitchweather is here until his contract expires, he decides to leave, or both.

 

[Evilhomer]

That’s only if Willy decides to accept a number starting with 9. If he thinks he is a 10 million player he could simply wait until nextJuly and hope to get it from someone else

There is zero chance he gets $10 million per season, and I highly doubt that is where he and his agent expect to land. It's all standard negotiation tactics. Ultimately, he will resign with Toronto for somewhere between $9 and $9.5. With no actual evidence of this, I really do believe that Treliving has been given orders to get Matthews and Nylander resigned. I don't think there is any way Brad will trade Nylander.

 

[LeafEgo]

How are the Leafs in disarray? I truly don't understand this fan base. You have a top 5 team in the NHL, a team that now probably has the best chance it has ever had to reach the Cup final, and you call that disarray?

Disarray doesn't mean terrible. The fact that our GM just left in scandal gets you pretty close, but we also have a coach that many see as a dead man walking, most of our roster is pretty new (the third or fourth iteration in recent times), we don't have certainty in net, our most important pieces outside the core 5 are one year projects, we're juggling three contracts that essentially make the team with zero leverage, there are still glaring holes to fill, etc.

We're not the picture of a well oiled organization with confidence making minor tweaks to a working product here.

After five years it's pretty clear we've been a fringe top 10 team. I'm optimistic we can improve this year. The sky is not falling but at this point you have to be blinded by star talent to think we don't have a lot of work to do, and that things could be a little more . . organized.

 

[PromisedLand]

Why worried. He is a star 40 goals and can blow by people on a zone entry almost like McDavid. Certainly worth 9m maybe pushing it at 10m but if we move Marner and JT expires we can balance things out nice. 60 goal C and a 40 goal W on a team is nice. Both generate for themselves too.

marner has full ntc/nmc good luck trying to move him. the way this franchise operates i can already foresee them giving marner 12 to 13 AAV for 4 to 5 years

 

[Evilhomer]

Disarray doesn't mean terrible. The fact that our GM just left in scandal gets you pretty close, but we also have a coach that many see as a dead man walking, most of our roster is pretty new (the third or fourth iteration in recent times), we don't have certainty in net, our most important pieces outside the core 5 are one year projects, we're juggling three contracts that essentially make the team with zero leverage, there are still glaring holes to fill, etc.

We're not the picture of a well oiled organization with confidence making minor tweaks to a working product here.

After five years it's pretty clear we've been a fringe top 10 team. I'm optimistic we can improve this year. The sky is not falling but at this point you have to be blinded by star talent to think we don't have a lot of work to do, and that things could be a little more . . organized.

I think you are being too harsh. This is a president's trophy lineup, and the degradation of traditional powers like Tampa and Boston will mean that Toronto will be the favourite to win the Eastern conference along with Jersey and Carolina (the latter has no chance of winning in the playoffs having proven themselves to be playoff failures time and time again, regardless of which round they ultimately lose in). The only issue with the Leafs is whether their defense and goaltending can hold up through four rounds of the playoffs. That is the bet that Treliving is making.

 

[LeafEgo]

I think you are being too harsh. This is a president's trophy lineup, and the degradation of traditional powers like Tampa and Boston will mean that Toronto will be the favourite to win the Eastern conference along with Jersey and Carolina (the latter has no chance of winning in the playoffs having proven themselves to be playoff failures time and time again, regarding of which round they ultimately lose in). The only issue with the Leafs is whether their defense and goaltending can hold up through four rounds of the playoffs. That is the bet that Treliving is making.

If we're talking just the regular season round then we're probably closer to top 5, but we're way too inconsistent to be prez trophy favorites. Never know what team is showing up. Maybe that changes with adult supervision. I'm hopeful.

That's a pretty big issue you've identified and that's kinda the big problem. I dont know that Tre is making that bet, he just hasn't had enough time to right the ship. It could take years, but let's see what he's got.

 

[Evilhomer]

If we're talking just the regular season round then we're probably closer to top 5, but we're way too inconsistent to be prez trophy favorites. Never know what team is showing up. Maybe that changes with adult supervision. I'm hopeful.

That's a pretty big issue you've identified and that's kinda the big problem. I dont know that Tre is making that bet, he just hasn't had enough time to right the ship. It could take years, but let's see what he's got.

No question that improving the defense and goaltending is not a short-term exercise. It may take a few years. The key, however, is maintaining the team's star talent during that period. This is a Cup roster not just for one year, but now for at least the next 5 years.

 

[thewave]

marner has full ntc/nmc good luck trying to move him. the way this franchise operates i can already foresee them giving marner 12 to 13 AAV for 4 to 5 years

Thats nasty sounding. We are selling merch and not a chance at the cup with all that cap wasted

 

[Squiffy]

marner has full ntc/nmc good luck trying to move him. the way this franchise operates i can already foresee them giving marner 12 to 13 AAV for 4 to 5 years

MM really doesn’t deserve much of a raise, IMO. Not based on performance, he just got too much on the last one. 11.5x8, Pasta contract + a touch more for two years later, take it or leave it, and go chat with JT about how Isles fans feel about him back there, hometown boy.

Toronto boy, drafted by Leafs, there is no way he is leaving. He should give this franchise a discount. He should “get it” if anyone does. Hell, take less then that, take 10.5 and tell Toronto he’s doing it to try to help win a Cup, he’ll be a hero.

 

[PromisedLand]

MM really doesn’t deserve much of a raise, IMO. Not based on performance, he just got too much on the last one. 11.5x8, Pasta contract + a touch more for two years later, take it or leave it, and go chat with JT about how Isles fans feel about him back there, hometown boy.

Toronto boy, drafted by Leafs, there is no way he is leaving. He should give this franchise a discount. He should “get it” if anyone does. Hell, take less then that, take 10.5 and tell Toronto he’s doing it to try to help win a Cup, he’ll be a hero.

I don't see marner doing that. if he did; I;d take a pic with marner jersey and post it here

 

[Squiffy]

I don't see marner doing that. if he did; I;d take a pic with marner jersey and post it here

Dare to dream. Honestly, if anyone would you’d think him, previous negotiations notwithstanding. There is nobody, probably, in the world currently more Maple Leaf then the guy that grew up here, got drafted here, became a star here, lives here.

Be helpful if we could lure Paul into a rocket and fire him in to the middle of the sun.

 

[LeafEgo]

MM really doesn’t deserve much of a raise, IMO. Not based on performance, he just got too much on the last one. 11.5x8, Pasta contract + a touch more for two years later, take it or leave it, and go chat with JT about how Isles fans feel about him back there, hometown boy.

Toronto boy, drafted by Leafs, there is no way he is leaving. He should give this franchise a discount. He should “get it” if anyone does. Hell, take less then that, take 10.5 and tell Toronto he’s doing it to try to help win a Cup, he’ll be a hero.

Marners current overpayment is a bit murky, you could support anything between $2-4M. Whatever it is, it's not going to just dissappear, his agent earned that.

I suspect his new deal will be in the high 12's, but it would be a great feel good story if it ended up in the low 11's. It's probably going to be for 8 years.

 

[Squiffy]

Marners current overpayment is a bit murky, you could support anything between $2-4M. Whatever it is, it's not going to just dissappear, his agent earned that.

I suspect his new deal will be in the high 12's, but it would be a great feel good story if it ended up in the low 11's. It's probably going to be for 8 years.

I’d play Russian Roulette on that. Dare him to walk. He can’t get that high a number, it’s not his stratosphere. He’s one below that and needs a reset to it.

Hijacking Nylander thread, sorry, must be MM around here somewhere.

 

[IPS]

Marners current overpayment is a bit murky, you could support anything between $2-4M. Whatever it is, it's not going to just dissappear, his agent earned that.

I suspect his new deal will be in the high 12's, but it would be a great feel good story if it ended up in the low 11's. It's probably going to be for 8 years.

It's definitely gonna be closer to Matthews' than anyone else's on the team.

Both Matthews and Marner's NMC's went into effect at the exact same time despite being drafted a year apart. There's no leverage against these kids, we're hooped to pay them whatever they want.

Marner will not accept Pastrnak as his comparable - he wants Matthews and only Matthews as his comparable.

 

[LeafEgo]

It's definitely gonna be closer to Matthews' than anyone else's on the team.

Both Matthews and Marner's NMC's went into effect at the exact same time despite being drafted a year apart. There's no leverage against these kids, we're hooped to pay them whatever they want.

Marner will not accept Pastrnak as his comparable - he wants Matthews and only Matthews as his comparable.

Yep, some agents earn their 5%.

 

[Hellcat]

Maybe the people in this mob are just like you

I sure hope so, illogical fan opinions are hard to come by... Everyone in the Matthews thread is calm cool and logical....

 

[Hellcat]

It's definitely gonna be closer to Matthews' than anyone else's on the team.

Both Matthews and Marner's NMC's went into effect at the exact same time despite being drafted a year apart. There's no leverage against these kids, we're hooped to pay them whatever they want.

Marner will not accept Pastrnak as his comparable - he wants Matthews and only Matthews as his comparable.

I don't disagree he should be in the Matthews area , 12ish mil. When Marner wins a scoring title or league MVP he can ask for Matthews money , until then he is a notch below Matty, still a valuable player but not equvilant to our best player..

 

[ToneDog]

It's definitely gonna be closer to Matthews' than anyone else's on the team.

Both Matthews and Marner's NMC's went into effect at the exact same time despite being drafted a year apart. There's no leverage against these kids, we're hooped to pay them whatever they want.

Marner will not accept Pastrnak as his comparable - he wants Matthews and only Matthews as his comparable.

Two more underwhelming playoffs and let him find another team to pay him.

 

[Notsince67]

So tell us then, what's he worth?

Johnny Gaudreau got 9.75 x 7 as a UFA, put up way more points / ES points than Marner ever has.

Marner is worth $3-4M more than him or what's the deal? Because as it stands Gaudreau is the most comparable player to Marner to hit UFA in recent years.

There are all kinds of valuation models out there including evolving hockey. None of them...zero have them with Marner at 10mm. Why don't you come up with something more than a psychic fart smell instead of wasting my time.

 

[Nineteen67]

Nylander will sign for 9.5x6 when the Leafs are in Sweden.

 

[ACC1224]

Nylander will sign for 9.5x6 when the Leafs are in Sweden.

Forgot they are going there, when is that again?

 

[Nineteen67]

Forgot they are going there, when is that again?

November?

eta: November 17th is the fist game. Do it a day or 2 before that.