Player Discussion Nylander After the Contract

[authentic]

Enjoy 8 more years of this to the morons who think he deserved it

I suspect there will be a playoff run or two where we’ll be glad we made the deal.

 

[Larcos_Unal]

It honestly looks like he's trying to do everything out there, he's almost playing C without playing C, he's the main puck carrier on that line but how often is he down atvthe hashmarks and skating it all the way up ice, it's clear as day he has zero confidence in Bert or Tavares

This is what I'm saying, Willie is a rush type of player and he's playing with two guys who thrive on the cycle. Not to mention JT and Bert cannot keep up with Willie, it's a mismatch but you're stuck with it for this year and next (JT anyway, Bert can go)

 

[authentic]

Because he asked for slightly more than pasta?

He didn't ask for Aho money ya know?

Probably because he plays on a team with Tavares whom he’s drastically better than, why would he take less than him?

 

[Menzinger]

This is what I'm saying, Willie is a rush type of player and he's playing with two guys who thrive on the cycle. Not to mention JT and Bert cannot keep up with Willie, it's a mismatch but you're stuck with it for this year and next (JT anyway, Bert can go)

Looking ahead,.Tre needs to build a new second line around Nylander where he has two new linemates who can keep up with him. Domi could potentially be part of that too, though I like him on the third line

 

[Stephen]

I'm praying to God that the issue is Tavares's disappearing act over the past 10+ games. Hopefully next year JT is on LW and we can snag a decent 2C that can skate and keep up with Willie.

If the last 10 games have been the Willie we're getting for the next 8 years, welp, we're in big trouble.

I'm sure that Tavares' slump will have an impact on Willie, but we're not seeing the take charge attitude and physical commitment to making a play as leading up to the contract signing. Drop the shoulder, pop the hip, one handed drive. We're not seeing much of that at all during the Nylander slump either.

 

[rumman]

He's got to snap out of whatever lull he's in and get back to his late 2023 self and play harder and with more urgency. He's shown us too much ability and potential greatness to regress into a paycheque collector. You can't just flip the switch off like that.

What some of us feared is exactly what’s happening, he got paid and has taken his foot off the gas. Is anyone really surprised by this?

I'm praying to God that the issue is Tavares's disappearing act over the past 10+ games. Hopefully next year JT is on LW and we can snag a decent 2C that can skate and keep up with Willie.

If the last 10 games have been the Willie we're getting for the next 8 years, welp, we're in big trouble.

Elite talent are able to rise above mediocre line mates, Styles……not so much……..

 

[rumman]

That Boston system works wonderfully for Pastrnak, dump chase let the grinders get the puck out to an open Pasta 90% of the time, Pasta is a terrific player but has to work far less then Nylander does

Pasta plays top line minutes against top defenders, 88 has the luxury of playing against 2nd line opponents……….

 

[Cujo311999]

The only theory that we should be comfortable with is that he's actually trying too hard after getting the bag.

All these other excuses are lame. He produced all year up to that point. Great players always find a way.

 

[GoonieFace]

I don’t really see a lack of effort from Nylander.
Playing with JT and Bertuzzi has to be exhausting and frustrating.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Pasta plays top line minutes against top defenders, 88 has the luxury of playing against 2nd line opponents……….

... with 3rd line linemates.

And the quality of opponents has been shown to be much less significant than the quality of linemates.

 

[Arzak]

That Boston system works wonderfully for Pastrnak, dump chase let the grinders get the puck out to an open Pasta 90% of the time, Pasta is a terrific player but has to work far less then Nylander does

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Watch his goal #33

I'm not sure why are we assuming he works less, but here is one game old example of Pasta winning a board battle behind the net.

You make it sound like he is Ovi, waiting for one timer in his office.

 

[authentic]

What some of us feared is exactly what’s happening, he got paid and has taken his foot off the gas. Is anyone really surprised by this?


Elite talent are able to rise above mediocre line mates, Styles……not so much……..

Not quite sure that describes Willy too well when he’s the one who doesn’t get to play with Marner and Matthews much.

 

[Evilhomer]

Complaining about Nylander reminds of that time someone started a thread about Matthews being the most overpaid star in the league.

 

[Drytoast]

I don't pretend to know who's money he asked for specifically, there would be a pile of criteria his agent would use to arrive at the number.
It's a little more complicated than 'he asked for Pasta money'. His primary comparable would be his own teammates.

Oh good so we can look forward to overpaying for everybody that wants to stay here and play that's awesome! Wow! What a ride! I look forward to us having a shitty next 8 years as we are handcuffed by this over priced core who get paid before having accomplished anything!

It honestly looks like he's trying to do everything out there, he's almost playing C without playing C, he's the main puck carrier on that line but how often is he down atvthe hashmarks and skating it all the way up ice, it's clear as day he has zero confidence in Bert or Tavares

Well don't you worry fella we've decided that we're okay paying William nylander almost tops in the league without asking him to actually do anything to have earned it!

 

[Drytoast]

I suspect there will be a playoff run or two where we’ll be glad we made the deal.

Oh yeah we might make the second round maybe once or twice... And then we'll get our asses handed to us by teams whos players make much less but work much harder

Willy style!

 

[ACC1224]

Oh good so we can look forward to overpaying for everybody that wants to stay here and play that's awesome! Wow! What a ride! I look forward to us having a shitty next 8 years as we are handcuffed by this over priced core who get paid before having accomplished anything!

If it wasn’t that I’m sure it would be something else.

 

[ZEBROA]

I hope Willy finds his happy place again. he could alwasy revisit this:

 

[ToneDog]

Oh yeah we might make the second round maybe once or twice... And then we'll get our asses handed to us by teams whos players make much less but work much harder

Willy style!

Love your passion. and agree signing Willie at that number was a mistake. This morning Dregs talking about how Reinhart will probably sign with Florida because he wants to be there and they will find a common ground. Not the case with Willie, it was his way or the highway and Tre bent and chose his way because as he says, he explored his options and caving was his best. You think this organization would have learned something since signing the 3 amigos. Tells me they care more about keeping the paying customers happy than winning a cup and they will never win a cup with these 3, me first players who have proven they cannot get it done.

 

[Sypher04]

Love your passion. and agree signing Willie at that number was a mistake. This morning Dregs talking about how Reinhart will probably sign with Florida because he wants to be there and they will find a common ground. Not the case with Willie, it was his way or the highway and Tre bent and chose his way because as he says, he explored his options and caving was his best. You think this organization would have learned something since signing the 3 amigos. Tells me they care more about keeping the paying customers happy than winning a cup and they will never win a cup with these 3, me first players who have proven they cannot get it done.

I get that’s a sentiment people peddle around here, but can you provide even one single explanation of how not prioritizing winning would even be beneficial to them? They’d make more money by winning.

 

[ToneDog]

I get that’s a sentiment people peddle around here, but can you provide even one single reason why that would be beneficial to them? They’d make more money by winning.

Caving to Nylander as they did is enough proof for me. If they were serious about winning the SC they would not have handcuffed themselves with that deal which pretty much writes off next year unless they plan to get JT to waive his NMC. .

Willie says he wants to be a Leaf but is not willing to budge off his number. Not a characteristic I want in a player I hand $92m to.

As for more money by winning, how many more home playoff games does that mean for this core?

5 in 2023, 4 in 2022, N/A in 2021, N/A in 2020, 3 in 2019, 3 in 2018, 3 in 2018

That is a total of 18 in 5 years. If these guys we getting you closer to 10 playoff home games per year, sure pay them, but they just getting you to the dance and then disappearing. How much of a sample size does one need to see they cannot get it done and you need to go in a different direction? Yet here we go again. More than enough proof for me.

 

[Drytoast]

Love your passion. and agree signing Willie at that number was a mistake. This morning Dregs talking about how Reinhart will probably sign with Florida because he wants to be there and they will find a common ground. Not the case with Willie, it was his way or the highway and Tre bent and chose his way because as he says, he explored his options and caving was his best. You think this organization would have learned something since signing the 3 amigos. Tells me they care more about keeping the paying customers happy than winning a cup and they will never win a cup with these 3, me first players who have proven they cannot get it done.

And the cost was the next 8 years of this clubs future.

 

[ACC1224]

I get that’s a sentiment people peddle around here, but can you provide even one single explanation of how not prioritizing winning would even be beneficial to them? They’d make more money by winning.

It’s always been one of the stranger theories around here for as long as I can remember and no one ever explains why it makes sense.

 

[GoonieFace]

Caving to Nylander as they did is enough proof for me. If they were serious about winning the SC they would not have handcuffed themselves with that deal which pretty much writes off next year unless they plan to get JT to waive his NMC. .

Willie says he wants to be a Leaf but is not willing to budge off his number. Not a characteristic I want in a player I hand $92m to.

As for more money by winning, how many more home playoff games does that mean for this core?

5 in 2023, 4 in 2022, N/A in 2021, N/A in 2020, 3 in 2019, 3 in 2018, 3 in 2018

That is a total of 18 in 5 years. If these guys we getting you closer to 10 playoff home games per year, sure pay them, but they just getting you to the dance and then disappearing. How much of a sample size does one need to see they cannot get it done and you need to go in a different direction? Yet here we go again. More than enough proof for me.

If you think Willy at $11.5 is bad, which it is, wait till Marner signs

 

[ToneDog]

And the cost was the next 8 years of this clubs future.

If I had a better sample size that we could win with the 3 amigos being paid what they will be, knowing we are f***ed next year unless we can move Tavares, I'd be selling and loading up with blue chippers and targeting 2025 (remember the Rangers telling their fans they were taking a step back?).

Yes, the fans who buy into this team having a shot and the East is up for grabs will tell you they are going for it at the TDL but IMO it is the wrong move, again.

If you think Willy at $11.5 is bad, which it is, wait till Marner signs

It will be further proof that their first priority is not to win a SC.

 

[ToneDog]

It’s always been one of the stranger theories around here for as long as I can remember and no one ever explains why it makes sense.

Yet here we sit without a cup since 1967. The center of the hockey universe that can afford to pay Babs $24m not to coach and the 3 amigos tens of millions of dollars when they have won shit in 7 years.