Confirmed Signing with Link: [NYI] Kyle Palmieri signs with the Islanders (4 years, $5M AAV)

[The Winter Soldier]

He is an upgrade to Eberle, played well in the playoffs once he caught his stride after the trade. He's an Islander, he can play anywhere from 1-3rd lines. Like him, he gets dirty and he has a scoring touch. Excellent contract. His AVV fits the Isles cap structure. Lou has knocked it out of the park this summer.

 

[Twine Tickler]

@Twine Tickler you make fair points. He’s going to be on a line with Barzal and a healthy Lee so I expect to see his points jump up dramatically

Isles fans hope this deal winds up as good as the Pageau deal and contract are. That was stellar, a 28th overall for a solid 3rd line C with good face off skills, strengthened our Pk, can play on the Pp and Trotz moved him up and down the lineup whenever an injury occurred

Ya I think JGP is a really solid player no doubt. I also think Palms is a good player. I know they provide value to the NYI, and really fit the mold of player that the NYI need to run the system that they do. That said, as a Leaf fan, this board has unanimously slaughtered the Oilers for the signing of Zach Hyman at 5.5AAV, albeit largely because of the 7 years but also the AAV to a lesser extent. To me, Zach is a more effective player than both of those players, albeit not by a wide margin. 500k difference in salary seems appropriate when comparing Hyman to JGP and Palms. To me at least. Of course there is admittingly a bias there.

As much as I love Zach, I think 5.5AAV is a touch steep, and have him around 4.5-5AAV over that term. Lots on here would even suggest lower. I guess I am just confused how the majority of people on here look at the Hyman deal as a gross overpayment, and then say the JGP and Palmeri deals are steals. To me, from an AAV standpoint they align as equal overpayments. I recognize the term to Hymans deal was the major issue, and it is likely a deal that they will have a hard time with at some point. But when we are looking at pt production, which is ultimately how you get paid in this league, I can't see the JGP and Palmeri deals as good deals. Despite them being good players. You can find that level of production and effectiveness for far less AAV IMO.

 

[saintunspecified]

Palmieri also got the benefit of playing on a bad team as their main power play option. When Palms was on Anaheim in a depth role he wasn't close to what he did in NJ.

Eberle's PP production was going to take a dip as well. And unless NYI find a way to use Palmieri and Wahlstrom together, Palmieri won't see a big rebound in PP production especially with Lee returning.

It is true that a healthy Tarasenko on the opposite wall would have helped NYI's PP far more. But that move would have been made instead of signing Palmieri, and obviously NYI couldn't come to an agreement with the Blues and/or a team willing to facilitate it.

 

[Gurglesons]

Eberle's PP production was going to take a dip as well. And unless NYI find a way to use Palmieri and Wahlstrom together, Palmieri won't see a big rebound in PP production especially with Lee returning.

It is true that a healthy Tarasenko on the opposite wall would have helped NYI's PP far more. But that move would have been made instead of signing Palmieri, and obviously NYI couldn't come to an agreement with the Blues and/or a team willing to facilitate it.

Why was Eberle’s PP production going to take a hit?

 

[VanillaCoke]

Seems a bit steep to me.

 

[saintunspecified]

Why was Eberle’s PP production going to take a hit?

Anybody setting up at the LW circle is going to take a hit because of Wahlstrom. He is so dangerous out there, and the opposition knows it. He's going to split PP with Palmieri at lease IMO, and would have with Eberle too.

 

[Isles Junkie]

Seems like a lot of $ for a guy coming off a 10 goal season.

 

[slurpee addict]

I like the term and I like the player. He fits the team culture, and I don't see the AAV as being too far out of line with what he can do in all areas of the ice. Points are good obviously, but not always the be all end all. The Isles have a lot of balance and four lines that can play good hard minutes every night - something that most other teams don't have. Sometimes you have to pay for that type of structure. What Lou has done is got rid of the bad AAV contracts and mixed in some new good AAV contracts (JGP, Sorokin, Palmieri Beau, Pelech, etc) to go with a core of vets and other upcoming youth.

Bringing Eberle into this discussion doesn't really add much value - we were always going to lose someone to Seattle. Happened to be Eberle. Good soldier, and was I imagine, a good team mate.

 

[SI90]

 

[banks]

Seems a bit expensive, considering his down year. But I've been a fan of his for a long time, and I think he's a great fit for the Islanders. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

Fine contract. Palms could end up having a huge bounceback.

 

[saintunspecified]

LOL player trying to hmm and haw not say anything about precisely when the deal happened, but still we all "know"this was done a while ago. (Probably right after the expansion draft when it became clear Eberle was gone and Tarasenko wasn't an option).

 

[Pure Slaughter Value]

@Twine Tickler i agree that it’s a little steep in aav. I would’ve been happier with 4.25

I think the only problem with Hyman is that he came off surgery so term was a big issue for the Leafs? plus, he plays a tough style. That’s definitely a reason to be concerned with Czikas contract.

I am not in favor of giving any forward or goalie term over five years unless you’re talking about a star coming off their elc. Even then, I don’t like giving goalies anything over 4-5 years

We’ll see. Lou has given them the best opportunity to win within the next three years.

after that, it can get ugly but we will see.

 

[Gurglesons]

Anybody setting up at the LW circle is going to take a hit because of Wahlstrom. He is so dangerous out there, and the opposition knows it. He's going to split PP with Palmieri at lease IMO, and would have with Eberle too.

Wahlstrom’s usage seems a hell of a lot like Varna’s under Trotz.

 

[Twine Tickler]

@Twine Tickler i agree that it’s a little steep in aav. I would’ve been happier with 4.25

I think the only problem with Hyman is that he came off surgery so term was a big issue for the Leafs? plus, he plays a tough style. That’s definitely a reason to be concerned with Czikas contract.

I am not in favor of giving any forward or goalie term over five years unless you’re talking about a star coming off their elc. Even then, I don’t like giving goalies anything over 4-5 years

We’ll see. Lou has given them the best opportunity to win within the next three years.

after that, it can get ugly but we will see.

yup that is exactly how I see it as well. This is the group that like it or not will win it all or go down with the ship.

At this point their results have far exceeded what they appear to be on paper, so I see why NYI has decided to run it back. And to their credit, in this recent wave of success under Trotz/Lou I have never thought this team on paper looked good. But they just win, it's actually remarkable. This team definitely subscribes to the theory of the whole is greater than the sum of all its parts.

If this team can get it done, those contracts will be worth every penny and then some, if they can't there may be a couple anchors to offload. realistically it most likely will have to happen within the next year or 2 with this group IMO

 

[Kevin27NYI]

Wahlstrom’s usage seems a hell of a lot like Varna’s under Trotz.

I can't speak for anything on Vrana but Wahlstorm has conditioning issues he's working on. Clear from his first 9 game stint, has been adjusting to pro still. Looked great in playoffs but then got a weird injury.

 

[FourRings]

As I said above, I think the Islanders' fans viewing of Eberle is bizarre considering how good he was for you guys.

Barzal's playoff production versus his regular season production has seen a notable drop.

He was remarkably streaky and did little else when he wasn’t scoring.

 

[Gurglesons]

He was remarkably streaky and did little else when he wasn’t scoring.

Unlike Palmieri.. who is remarkably streaky and does little else when he isn’t scoring..

Palms also didn’t a single 5v5 primary assist this year.

 

[FourRings]

Unlike Palmieri.. who is remarkably streaky and does little else when he isn’t scoring..

Palms also didn’t a single 5v5 primary assist this year.

Palmieri at least goes into the corners, mixes it up in front of the net and plays defense so he at least can provide value while not scoring. Eberle on the the other hand, as I think PK alluded to, didn’t impact the game much. Nothing against Eberle, but Palmieri fits the Islanders better.

I like the deal, a bit more expensive than I’d like, but it is what it is.

 

[PK Cronin]

Unlike Palmieri.. who is remarkably streaky and does little else when he isn’t scoring..

Palms also didn’t a single 5v5 primary assist this year.

Except he still hits, goes to the front of the net, and grinds way more than Eberle.

 

[Gurglesons]

Palmieri at least goes into the corners, mixes it up in front of the net and plays defense so he at least can provide value while not scoring. Eberle on the the other hand, as I think PK alluded to, didn’t impact the game much. Nothing against Eberle, but Palmieri fits the Islanders better.

I like the deal, a bit more expensive than I’d like, but it is what it is.

Sounds like some bullshit you’d hear on coach’s corner.

Funny how the guy who doesn’t impact the game much actually produced against Tampa the most physically engaged team NYI played and Palms put up his production against the weak skill teams, eh?

 

[FourRings]

Sounds like some bullshit you’d hear on coach’s corner.

Funny how the guy who doesn’t impact the game much actually produced against Tampa the most physically engaged team NYI played and Palms put up his production against the weak skill teams, eh?

If you think it’s bullshit, there’s no convincing you that this move makes sense. I think it’s pretty widely accepted that there’s value in having the ability to create space and play the boards, but to each their own, I guess. I think most Isles fans would prefer Palmieri (and his new contract) to Eberle.

 

[PK Cronin]

Sounds like some bullshit you’d hear on coach’s corner.

Funny how the guy who doesn’t impact the game much actually produced against Tampa the most physically engaged team NYI played and Palms put up his production against the weak skill teams, eh?

Why are you trying to cherry picking things?

It's not like Eberle was blowing anyone away in that Tampa Bay series, he had one goal. Palmieri was held off the scoresheet but was also playing with an injured Pageau. Sometimes players cool off and other times they get hot, we already established both players are streaky scorers.

As someone who watched them both, on the same team, one was much better and more noticeable in a positive way when they weren't scoring than the other. That player was Palmieri. I don't think Palmieri is leaps and bounds better than Eberle, but he's a better fit for the team. He can play up and down the lineup a lot easier than Eberle can. Eberle is a guy who can't play outside the top 6.

 

[Gurglesons]

Why are you trying to cherry picking things?

It's not like Eberle was blowing anyone away in that Tampa Bay series, he had one goal. Palmieri was held off the scoresheet but was also playing with an injured Pageau. Sometimes players cool off and other times they get hot, we already established both players are streaky scorers.

As someone who watched them both, on the same team, one was much better and more noticeable in a positive way when they weren't scoring than the other. That player was Palmieri. I don't think Palmieri is leaps and bounds better than Eberle, but he's a better fit for the team. He can play up and down the lineup a lot easier than Eberle can. Eberle is a guy who can't play outside the top 6.

But, the hole on the team is in the top six and you yourself criticized Palmieri's performance on the top line.

 

[Jester9881]

Eberle was a top line winger who was amongst their best forwards in both series against the Lightning. This is what I don't get.

Is Barzal getting shut down Eberle's fault?

Did you watch a different playoffs than I did?

Eberle stifled Trotz ability to try different wingers on the top line, because Eberle was only effective when paired with Barzal. Eberle brought a scoring touch, but when he wasn't scoring he wasn't doing much else and he was very streaky.

Palmieri fits what the Islanders are trying to do much better.

 

[Jester9881]

Barzal's playoff production versus his regular season production has seen a notable drop.

This absolutely had nothing to do with Anders Lee getting hurt and being replaced with Komarov. Nothing at all....