NY Islanders Sale Talk ONLY Part IV **Post 400, Isles SOLD**

[The Underboss]

This is NOT A Brooklyn thread! !!!! Go find that thread and post that stuff there!

 

[BillD]

Might as well stop living in the past or indulging in what should of been, could have been.
This is what it is. Barclays is the home of the Islanders fro 25 years starting in 2016.
I suspect that the NHL and Islander ownership, Wang and who else other, see the team as more of a TV presentation vehicle that generates most of the revenue. Seating in the best seats and in the suites could limit attendance to 10,000, but it will be acceptable for BC and Islanders as long as money is made from TV. Already great amounts are committed by MSG cable, NBC, Rogers. I would not be surprised if at some point pay-per-view will be introduced at some level, or at least a subscription plan.

 

[bstash19]

Yes, sadly!

it's served me well over the years. Anyone who happens by the secret on this message board buried under 30 pages of Charles Wang is welcome to it.

I've always found that if i leave as soon as the red light comes on above the time keepers box, (signaling a tv timeout) i can go to the bathroom and get back to my seat before play resumes.

 

[LeapOnOver]

What do you think would happen if the Islander's went through another 10-12 game swoon in November, do you think the new owners would pressure Wang to make a GM/Coaching move ? We really can't afford to have a losing team going into Brooklyn.

I think there will be more presure not just on the GM/Coach and staff, but I bet the players will feel the pressure to perform well this season for the new owners. I think we will have a winning team this year, at least make the playoffs. Only weakness is defense, but the team did play better team defense the last 20 games of the season, and the addition of Reinhart, who will obviously have SOME rookie struggles, will help a lot.

I actually think if the swoon happens again there will be no need to put any pressure. Garth is going to bring the axe down on Cappy anyway. Maybe Snow will be next, but as far as Cappy is concerned i think he's on a pretty tight leash with an absolute legit roster to work with. A fresh arena may not be all we go into Brooklyn with if he can't motivate them to A. Avoid that fall fail. B. Hold on to leads. He'll be done and Snow will be making that move.

 

[A Pointed Stick]

This is NOT A Brooklyn thread! !!!! Go find that thread and post that stuff there!

Just giving this a bump because bump.

Can we move on already?

 

[periferal]

I just cannot believe that the day we've been dreaming of for a decade has come...


WANG HAS SOLD THE TEAM.


...And 72 hours later this thread is a ghost town. The fact that now the "Brooklyn move" thread has blown up speaks volumes. It's like...We got the #1 major issue with this team out of the way...Now let's go deal with #2.

 

[First Blood]

I just cannot believe that the day we've been dreaming of for a decade has come...


WANG HAS SOLD THE TEAM.


...And 72 hours later this thread is a ghost town. The fact that now the "Brooklyn move" thread has blown up speaks volumes. It's like...We got the #1 major issue with this team out of the way...Now let's go deal with #2.

Stop with the B word.

We should be happy that Mao's evil reign is coming to an end in 2 yrs.

 

[YearlyLottery]

I just cannot believe that the day we've been dreaming of for a decade has come...


WANG HAS SOLD THE TEAM.


...And 72 hours later this thread is a ghost town. The fact that now the "Brooklyn move" thread has blown up speaks volumes. It's like...We got the #1 major issue with this team out of the way...Now let's go deal with #2.

I don't think it's really "hit" anyone yet. Next year when we eventually get knocked out of our great playoff run we can then say "hopefully we can pick up this guy in FA"

Now we can say "I trust that our owners will do the right thing hiring our team president"


And not just an two owners.... Two LOADED owners!

 

[periferal]

Stop with the B word.

We should be happy that Mao's evil reign is coming to an end in 2 yrs.

Believe me...I'm ecstatic. Still nervous he may do something stupid/drastic while he still has control. Would also be nice if we heard more from the new owners, but probably that is going to have to wait until the BOG officially approves the sale in December. Then we can have a press conference.

 

[2ndGenIslander]

I've always found that if i leave as soon as the red light comes on above the time keepers box, (signaling a tv timeout) i can go to the bathroom and get back to my seat before play resumes.

From my seats in 311 I used to be able to run outside to the lovely portable trailer outhouse bathrooms and back before the commercial break ended...only in Nassau county!!!

 

[BillD]

I don't think it's really "hit" anyone yet. Next year when we eventually get knocked out of our great playoff run we can then say "hopefully we can pick up this guy in FA"

Now we can say "I trust that our owners will do the right thing hiring our team president"

And not just an two owners.... Two LOADED owners!

Next year when we eventually get knocked out of our great playoff run we can then say "hopefully we can pick up this guy in FA"

This is something I always envied in other teams fan bases. Flyers, Rangers fans cover up their mistakes by making deals and getting free agents in, or looking at every good free agent on the market with the confidence they would have a good chance of signing that player.
I am NOT suggesting that the new ownership conduct business like those two foolish organizations who waste money, distort the league salary structure, and win nothing.
But it will be nice to look forward to an offseason where we will be considered a good destination due to adequate payroll and playing facilities. Those are two big variables that FA's cited to reject our offers. The other was our losing records which should be resolved by time and some upgrades.
The two new owners have to believe we have a bright near term (and hopefully continuing) future. The team should be able to operate fiscally on its own revenue generation, not need bail outs by the owners to have to dig in their own pockets. But in a case where that becomes necessary (buyouts of bad contracts) it is good to know our guys do not have the shorts or the unwillingness to do what is needed.
The good feelings will start to infuse through the fan base starting next season. We will be able to re-sign Okposo, we will not have to fear losing JT, not because of money.

 

[stranger34]

I just cannot believe that the day we've been dreaming of for a decade has come...


WANG HAS SOLD THE TEAM.


...And 72 hours later this thread is a ghost town. The fact that now the "Brooklyn move" thread has blown up speaks volumes. It's like...We got the #1 major issue with this team out of the way...Now let's go deal with #2.

I'm sure if the new ownership group were gaining control on a "normal" timeline the reaction would be different. I'm not convinced we are going to see anything other than the status quo for a long time.

 

[KnishOfTheCrease]

Now that Wangl has an influx of capital. I highly doubt he does something stupid. He doesn't need to anymore.

 

[michaelrc51]

This is something I always envied in other teams fan bases. Flyers, Rangers fans cover up their mistakes by making deals and getting free agents in, or looking at every good free agent on the market with the confidence they would have a good chance of signing that player.
I am NOT suggesting that the new ownership conduct business like those two foolish organizations who waste money, distort the league salary structure, and win nothing.
But it will be nice to look forward to an offseason where we will be considered a good destination due to adequate payroll and playing facilities. Those are two big variables that FA's cited to reject our offers. The other was our losing records which should be resolved by time and some upgrades.
The two new owners have to believe we have a bright near term (and hopefully continuing) future. The team should be able to operate fiscally on its own revenue generation, not need bail outs by the owners to have to dig in their own pockets. But in a case where that becomes necessary (buyouts of bad contracts) it is good to know our guys do not have the shorts or the unwillingness to do what is needed.
The good feelings will start to infuse through the fan base starting next season. We will be able to re-sign Okposo, we will not have to fear losing JT, not because of money.

It will definitely help, now the mindset of this current organization has to change. Going from Wang's tight lipped policies to the new owner's more media and fan friendly policies will take a while. To me this is the worst part of Wang having majority control for 2 more years. People avoided signing here because of the management, hopefully everything will change quickly but I don't see it happening until that meddling fool is gone for good.

The BC move will improve things as well, just look at that video of Ekblad and Dal Colle talking right after they were drafted. Ekblad even says "congrats, you will be playing in Brooklyn"

Atleast there is a light at the end of the tunnel.
I can't wait for the season to start this year!

 

[lorwood]

I vehemently disagree. Two main points, the second of which I think is more important:


1. There are many drivers of team revenue that have nothing to do with gouging fans on concessions, parking, and tickets. Raising the price of concessions another $5 negatively affects fans way more than it actually benefits a team's budget.

2. We're talking about fantastically wealthy people who own sports teams as basically uber-expensive toys. Except for a few aberrant holdovers like Al Davis (or, I guess, the Yankees, which can basically mint their own money), modern sports franchises are not owned by entities or people that depend solely on the team for their wealthy/stability. Evaluating sports team decisions from a revenue/profit/loss standpoint misses the point. These aren't typical businesses. When Larry Ellisons spends millions on a new boat for the America's Cup or whatever, no one asks whether he made a profit from the venture. While I'm not saying that sports franchises must be run completely on behalf of the public, there's a middle ground that doesn't require us getting gouged in order for the team to have a normal budget.

There is no way, no way that owners are not going to pass on the cost of these contracts along with their own expected profits, on to the fans. Cable bill, subscription package, parking, tickets, jerseys what ever, the fan foots the entire bill.

 

[MatthewBarnabysTears]

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There is no way, no way that owners are not going to pass on the cost of these contracts along with their own expected profits, on to the fans. Cable bill, subscription package, parking, tickets, jerseys what ever, the fan foots the entire bill.

Perhaps, but we should at least be able to agree this is ********, because (1) that cost is more than covered by increased cable money/revenue sharing, particularly following the new CBA and (2) sports teams, as an expensive toy for the uber-wealthy, should not be thought of as a profit-maximizing business to begin with.

 

[lorwood]

Perhaps, but we should at least be able to agree this is ********, because (1) that cost is more than covered by increased cable money/revenue sharing, particularly following the new CBA and (2) sports teams, as an expensive toy for the uber-wealthy, should not be thought of as a profit-maximizing business to begin with.

With all due respect IMHO this is a naive way of thinking. These guys did not get rich by not maximizing every dollar that comes their way. Tax breaks, "toys" that only appreciate, businesses that can only help the overall portfolio that's their way and to be quite honest that's the American way.

But back to my original point, if as a fan you want your team to have a payroll that can field a competitive team the trade off is high prices, luxury stadiums and higher cable bills.

 

[periferal]

Now that Wangl has an influx of capital. I highly doubt he does something stupid. He doesn't need to anymore.

See and that's exactly the kind of backwards thinking that gives wang an "out" when we should all be holding his feet to the fire. The man cannot make a hockey decision to save his life regardless of the Isles financial situation. I guess wang was trying to save money when he signed DP & Yashin to 10+ year deals.

The man is an idiot through and through. Give him a 100 billion dollars and he'd still make us empathize with Nassau politicians, alienate the very citizens he needed votes from, & make the fans of his very own team hate him.

wang deserves exactly ZERO empathy or understanding. Just ask Sanjay Kumar.

 

[A Pointed Stick]

Now that Wang has an influx of capital. I highly doubt he does something stupid. He doesn't need to anymore.

Unfortunately history says that Wang does stupid **** because Wang. Hub deals, sound reasoning, politics, financial well being... that has had nothing to do with Wang's stupid if not suicidal moves int he past. When he walked in the door he green lighted Luongo being traded, kept Milbury, extended Milbury, green lighted the Yashin deal, etc. The originally heinous Yashin deal and Rick's equally heinous contract were all on him when he was spending more freely.

No, history squarely says that Wang is a bumbling self-destructive loser in all things NHL, who should be spending his free time working on Casino websites that prey on koolaid drinking Wanglander fans. Any good we have experienced the past few years... I would give Snow and the scouts the nod for 100% of it. Wang? Hah, hiring Snow was his lottery ticket. Lottery winners don't win because brains. They win because luck.

He can not leave soon enough for me, or for most of us who have an ever present memory of his BS.

 

[KnishOfTheCrease]

Who's giving Wang empathy & understanding? I'm not giving Wang an out.

 

[blitzkriegs]

Now that Wangl has an influx of capital. I highly doubt he does something stupid. He doesn't need to anymore.

He's demonstrated with and without money that he is incompetent in this business. His one major 'success' is manipulating the CBA to have the lowest cash payroll as possible, despite a required cap floor.

 

[KnishOfTheCrease]

He's demonstrated with and without money that he is incompetent in this business. His one major 'success' is manipulating the CBA to have the lowest cash payroll as possible, despite a required cap floor.

Right & he has new partners who will be taking over soon. People need to step back from the ledge.

I lived through an owner (Art Modell) picking up my football team and moving it. At least this dip **** Wang sold out before he decided to up root them to KC. No way am I defending his past actions because he ran the team like a circus, but at least he's going to be out before he can do anymore major damage.

 

[A Pointed Stick]

Right & he has new partners who will be taking over soon. People need to step back from the ledge.

I lived through an owner (Art Modell) picking up my football team and moving it. At least this dip **** Wang sold out before he decided to up root them to KC. No way am I defending his past actions because he ran the team like a circus, but at least he's going to be out before he can do anymore major damage.

Who is on the ledge? We don't trust him, that doesn't mean we are holding a hedge trimmer to our necks! lol

He is still majority owner. That is a fact, and majority ownership comes with some privileges otherwise it wouldn't be a thing anyone would want.

This is not just any owner of any team involved in a sale, a long drawn out sale. It is one particular guy only the naivest of the naive would trust at this point. Just look at what he did to Barroway. There is no way anyone can credibly chastise us, at this point, for not trusting Wang in the slightest.

 

[First Blood]

Who is on the ledge? We don't trust him, that doesn't mean we are holding a hedge trimmer to our necks! lol

He is still majority owner. That is a fact, and majority ownership comes with some privileges otherwise it wouldn't be a thing anyone would want.

This is not just any owner of any team involved in a sale, a long drawn out sale. It is one particular guy only the naivest of the naive would trust at this point. Just look at what he did to Barroway. There is no way anyone can credibly chastise us, at this point, for not trusting Wang in the slightest.

When will the BoG approve the sale

 

[blitzkriegs]

Right & he has new partners who will be taking over soon. People need to step back from the ledge.

I lived through an owner (Art Modell) picking up my football team and moving it. At least this dip **** Wang sold out before he decided to up root them to KC. No way am I defending his past actions because he ran the team like a circus, but at least he's going to be out before he can do anymore major damage.

Wang is majority owner and maintains full control of hockey operations. So, based on his history he and 'his' people can do a fair amount of damage in two years.