Confirmed with Link: [NSH/TOR] Franson and Santorelli for Leipsic, Jokinen, 2015 1st

[AdmiralsFan24]

Here's a list of just LW prospects in the Preds system that you could easily argue are either better than or just as good as Leipsic as prospects:

Fiala, Kamenev, Aberg, Vesey, Arvidsson, Kirkland, Salomaki.

I know this is HF boards, but I just don't understand why everyone is lamenting the loss of Leipsic.

I think the only one you could say is legitimately better is Fiala. And just because we have possibly better prospects at the same position doesn't mean you have to give up one of the "weaker" ones, who's still a good prospect for a rental 3rd liner and a rental bottom pairing defenseman.

 

[Jarnberg]

Trade makes no sense to me. I'd rather have seen those pieces used to upgrade Craig Smith. Our offense has been painful to watch lately and will get shut down in the playoffs against stronger defensive teams. We do upgrade Volchenov and Bartley but I remember all the Franson hate on here the first time we traded him. Funny how that changes when we get him back. Santorelli doesn't belong on a cup contending team. Our team is better than it was yesterday but I don't see this as the type of change that takes us to the next level. Again were better but not good enough

 

[LCPreds]

You're going waaaay overboard here, maybe if it's the worst team ever assembled, like 5 times worse than the current Buffalo Sabres. I don't think anyone here will lament the loss of a third liner in a couple of years, that's Leipsic's upside, 3rd liner.

Bob Mckenzie:

I think the only one you could say is legitimately better is Fiala. And just because we have possibly better prospects at the same position doesn't mean you have to give up one of the "weaker" ones, who's still a good prospect for a rental 3rd liner and a rental bottom pairing defenseman.

If Franson is going to be a bottom pairing d-man on the Preds then that's a great problem to have and certainly a sign of significant depth.

 

[TootooTrain]

Where can I find the full interview?

 

[hockey diva]

Santorelli is our Spaling replacement. Someone who can play in a lot of situations and chip in some goals.

 

[Infinite Jest]

Trade makes no sense to me. I'd rather have seen those pieces used to upgrade Craig Smith. Our offense has been painful to watch lately and will get shut down in the playoffs against stronger defensive teams. We do upgrade Volchenov and Bartley but I remember all the Franson hate on here the first time we traded him. Funny how that changes when we get him back. Santorelli doesn't belong on a cup contending team. Our team is better than it was yesterday but I don't see this as the type of change that takes us to the next level. Again were better but not good enough

WATCH MIKE SANTORELLI PLAY. You clearly haven't. He gives 100% non-stop, he's on a 40+ point pace on a bad team AND he faces the toughest competition out of all of Toronto's forwards. Give him easier match-ups on a better team and see what happens.

 

[NSH615]

Where can I find the full interview?

I do not know. I just saw all of that on Twitter. I do know that Poile has a press conference scheduled at 5 I believe. Maybe 102.5 will air it and maybe more will be said then.

 

[Flgatorguy87]

Santa is on pace for 40 points on a terrible team. Some people are severally underrating him.

We have a log jam of good prospects in Milwaukee. If you can't play them all, then the next best thing to do is cash them in.

 

[Prins Filip]

If Franson is going to be a bottom pairing d-man on the Preds then that's a great problem to have and certainly a sign of significant depth.

I think another dimension that should not be underestimated is that the addition of Franson opens up a lots of possibilities when reacting to different match-ups. For example, against a physically deep team like LA or STL we are now able to protect Ellis more easily if it is needed.

Right now we are having an extremely versatile group of D-men behind Weber-Josi that are still damn good with the puck.

 

[Privy]

Leipsic is getting way over-hyped. The only thing I don't like about the trade is the 1st. Franson and Santorelli make us a better team.

Franson seems to only be getting credit from Leafs fans. He's big, physical, has an amazing wrist shot and can get extremely favorable match-ups on our blueline. Not to mention he sounded pretty happy to be coming back to Nashville and sounded like he wanted to sign here... and that was on a Toronto radio show.

Santorelli should help with bottom six scoring. He's fast, has a good shot, he never stops working and he can move up and down the lineup. He's an upgrade over Bourque, Beck and Cullen right now.

The biggest advantage we get is a deep blueline and a little bit of peace of mind. If Ellis comes back then we are stacked. That's a good thing. But let's say we don't make this trade and one or two defensemen go down... We'd be screwed. We now have the opportunity to sit Bartley and/or Volchenkov and send Bitetto back to MIL (which already happened).

 

[Infinite Jest]

I do not know. I just saw all of that on Twitter. I do know that Poile has a press conference scheduled at 5 I believe. Maybe 102.5 will air it and maybe more will be said then.

That's all Poile has said to this point, I'm sure he'll go into plenty of detail and take questions at the press conference.

Short interview with Franson: http://predators.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=753499&navid=DL|NSH|home

 

[Soundgarden]

Like the deal, don't like giving up Leipsic but we have the forward depth in the minors. Gives us depth for the playoffs, pk'er in Santo, PP'er in Franson, no Bartley/Bitetto/Volchenkov in the playoffs. We're ready for the cup. Plus trading today gives us two weeks before the deadline for everyone to mesh. No more Jokinen either.

 

[Nothing Is New]

First reaction was overpayment; then I looked at Santos stats on a dysfunctional Leaf team - +7, 29 points. Franson should be a smooth plug-in. Poile is going all in for this year. Say what you want - we're going for it! No time to be nervous.

 

[babblemoth]

Not stoked on losing leipsic, at all. Toronto always bails us out of cap dump trouble, aka jokinen/Lombardi. Ellis must be out for the year and boutique is likely the press box filler as of now.. Feels weird/wrong giving up what we did for players we drafted years ago.

Always loved franson but not at the cost of leipsic and a 1st. Don't care if it's a late first or not.


Hope they mesh well with our current group.

You got Santorelli too, and if he plays like he has played in Toronto then that's a good addition.

Bringing back guys you drafted, but who went on to play elsewhere, is just like trading for anyone else. They come in with experience gained while playing on another team.

I think there are exceptional cases where this might look bad for your GM, like trading a star player and then quickly overpaying to get them back, but if it's a good trade then it's a good trade regardless of the fact you drafted them 10 years ago.

You have a strong core and added two players who should be able to slot in just right with your team, it looks pretty good to an outside fan.

 

[NSH615]

Leipsic is getting way over-hyped. The only thing I don't like about the trade is the 1st. Franson and Santorelli make us a better team.

Franson seems to only be getting credit from Leafs fans. He's big, physical, has an amazing wrist shot and can get extremely favorable match-ups on our blueline. Not to mention he sounded pretty happy to be coming back to Nashville and sounded like he wanted to sign here... and that was on a Toronto radio show.

Santorelli should help with bottom six scoring. He's fast, has a good shot, he never stops working and he can move up and down the lineup. He's an upgrade over Bourque, Beck and Cullen right now.

The biggest advantage we get is a deep blueline and a little bit of peace of mind. If Ellis comes back then we are stacked. That's a good thing. But let's say we don't make this trade and one or two defensemen go down... We'd be screwed. We now have the opportunity to sit Bartley and/or Volchenkov and send Bitetto back to MIL (which already happened).

See, I feel the opposite. I didn't mind the 1st, it was Leipsic that killed me on this deal. Leipsic was the only guy we had in the system (at least that I am aware of) who is a pest but also could score.

For those saying we needed to ship a prospect out due to a logjam, I would have rather sent one of Watson/Sissons. It is likely that only one of them makes it in the next 2 years anyways due to the logjam.

 

[McArthur]

Trade makes no sense to me. I'd rather have seen those pieces used to upgrade Craig Smith. Our offense has been painful to watch lately and will get shut down in the playoffs against stronger defensive teams. We do upgrade Volchenov and Bartley but I remember all the Franson hate on here the first time we traded him. Funny how that changes when we get him back. Santorelli doesn't belong on a cup contending team. Our team is better than it was yesterday but I don't see this as the type of change that takes us to the next level. Again were better but not good enough

cups are won with depth. you just added depth. the way I see it, the only way you lose in this trade is if you don't re-sign Franson.

 

[Jarnberg]

WATCH MIKE SANTORELLI PLAY. You clearly haven't. He gives 100% non-stop, he's on a 40+ point pace on a bad team AND he faces the toughest competition out of all of Toronto's forwards. Give him easier match-ups on a better team and see what happens.

There's a reason he's bounced around so much and bad teams don't bring him back.

 

[NSH615]

cups are won with depth. you just added depth. the way I see it, the only way you lose in this trade is if you don't re-sign Franson.

Which we won't because there is no way we pay a 3rd pairing defenseman $5M+

 

[TootooTrain]

I do not know. I just saw all of that on Twitter. I do know that Poile has a press conference scheduled at 5 I believe. Maybe 102.5 will air it and maybe more will be said then.

Appreciate it.

 

[StarvinArvyn33]

Here's a list of just LW prospects in the Preds system that you could easily argue are either better than or just as good as Leipsic as prospects:

Fiala, Kamenev, Aberg, Vesey, Arvidsson, Kirkland, Salomaki.

I know this is HF boards, but I just don't understand why everyone is lamenting the loss of Leipsic.

Leipsic was/is tied for the admirals lead in PPG while missing two games, behind ardvisson. Ardvisson is an overager whle leipsic put up huge numbers in jr's, the most a preds drafted prospect has done since radulov....

Salomaki/Aberg have been developing for years now and aren't looking to be anything special, ala beck. Vesey is still in college, kamanev isn't even in America. So how I see it we gave up our 2nd best prospect, with Fiala being number 1, barely he has much to prove still (fiala). But that said I think leipsics results and potential are far above anyothers listed, we traded away our best prospect playmaker today, he would've looked nasty next to forsberg


My 2 cents

 

[Privy]

Which we won't because there is no way we pay a 3rd pairing defenseman $5M+

I'm not 100% convinced, but I think he'd sign for less. It looks like he'd have the opportunity to compete for the Cup every season and he has friends on the team. If someone throws stupid money at him then he'd take it, but from the interview I listened to he was already talking about the possibility of being in Nashville next season.

As for Leipsic scoring... he doesn't. His points look great until you look at the goal column. The physicality will be missed, but he's a small forward and I'd rather have a bigger guy playing that role.

 

[Infinite Jest]

Leipsic was/is tied for the admirals lead in PPG while missing two games, behind ardvisson. Ardvisson is an overager whle leipsic put up huge numbers in jr's, the most a preds drafted prospect has done since radulov....

Salomaki/Aberg have been developing for years now and aren't looking to be anything special, ala beck. Vesey is still in college, kamanev isn't even in America. So how I see it we gave up our 2nd best prospect, with Fiala being number 1. But that said I think leipsics results and potential are far above anyothers listed, we traded away our best prospect playmaker today, he would've looked nasty next to forsberg


My 2 cents

Leipsic is 5'9 170 soaking wet, I'm not sure he'll ever even crack the NHL much less be part of a top line and apparently there are plenty of NHL scouts that agree. Form what Bob McKenzie had to say some NHL scouts see him as a potential 3rd/4th liner, while others aren't even sure he'll ever be an NHL regular. I think this is just a case of over-rating your own teams prospects. I think his best case is Santorelli right now, but worse defensively and more of a pest. If we really need that right now, we can just re-sign Santorelli instead of waiting for Leipsic to develop.

 

[Mass]

There's a reason he's bounced around so much and bad teams don't bring him back.

So what's the reason?

 

[StarvinArvyn33]

Leipsic is 5'9 170 soaking wet, I'm not sure he'll ever even crack the NHL much less be part of a top line and apparently there are plenty of NHL scouts that agree. Form what Bob McKenzie had to say some NHL scouts see him as a potential 3rd/4th liner, while others aren't even sure he'll ever be an NHL regular. I think this is just a case of over-rating your own teams prospects.

Results are what matter not fancy opinions, leipsic has had results at all levels, like forsberg. Rember when he couldn't even control the puck from being to small everyone doubted him cracking the roster? We never let leipsic develop. So time will tell.


Also the total cost we've paid for franson and santorelli since drafting them has been a 1st round pick, 3rd rounder, a 6th rounder, plus leipsic and jokinen.

Yeah....let that soak in

 

[LCPreds]

Results are what matter not fancy opinions, leipsic has had results at all levels, like forsberg. Rember when he couldn't even control the puck from being to small everyone doubted him cracking the roster? We never let leipsic develop. So time will tell.


Also the total cost we've paid for franson and santorelli since drafting them has been a 1st round pick, 3rd rounder, a 6th rounder, plus leipsic and jokinen.

Yeah....let that soak in

What is there to soak in? You can't look at what happened in the past with players you once had/drafted. It doesn't work that way. These were just players on other teams that do a great job at making our team better in a playoff run this year. The fact that we drafted them originally is irrelevant. Well, other than the fact that you know what kind of people you are getting. And know that some already have good relationships with other players on your team. Etc.