Confirmed Signing with Link: [NSH] F Steven Stamkos signs with the Predators (4 years, $8M AAV)

[JPT]

Aren't the Preds shedding $3mil in dead cap after this season, and then after next season another $5mil?

 

[Soundgarden]

Aren't the Preds shedding $3mil in dead cap after this season, and then after next season another $5mil?

Yes

 

[Habs Halifax]

It's a completely academic discussion, but the Preds had 99 points last year. Don't you think those three additions(with no significant subtractions) would be worth at least 8 to 10 points?

I don't think it works that way. On paper, it's improved. Next phase is getting everyone in the right spot and establishing team chemistry.

Good adds yes. Makes the team on paper better yes. I remember a few years ago when everyone thought the Devils will be awesome (added Hughes, Hamilton, etc). Same with the Sens heading into this past season... lots of hype. Preds are not in a youth/rebuilding spot but you should get the point.

Leafs have been crowning themselfs as cup favorites and "we should win a cup" for years now. Game is played on the ice and every season brings different challenges.

Oilers and Avs are the two best in the west. Preds are in the mix of teams right behind them. I will adjust this if the Preds come out hot next season and force themselves into the Oilers and Avs conversation.

 

[Habs Halifax]

How so?

Forsberg -48
Stamkos - 40
Marchessault - 42

We have three 40 goals scorers, a 80-95 point defenseman and a goalie that's averaged 4th in Vezina voting the last four seasons.

Bet you all 3 won't score 40 goals this coming season. Usage/Ice time will affect this and that's not factoring in two players on a new team.

Not trying to be negative. Preds should be improved and they are a threat to reach final 2 in the West. Got to put the "on paper" things aside and get to work.

 

[PredsV82]

He’s cooked. Strictly a PP specialist at this point.

Funny thing, thats exactly what we need. Imagine that, a GM that signs a player to address a glaring deficiancy, what a novel idea

 

[JPT]

Yes

And the chances of the cap staying put or going down don't seem great. Plus a pretty good prospect pool means cheap talent is waiting in the wings.

I don't see how this is a bad move for a GM who openly says he wants to see a parade down Broadway. Gotta make the moves to back up the talk.

 

[Foppberg]

How so?

Forsberg -48
Stamkos - 40
Marchessault - 42

We have three 40 goals scorers, a 80-95 point defenseman and a goalie that's averaged 4th in Vezina voting the last four seasons.

Look at the past champions and compare. It’s a decent collection of guys but.. not contending status.

 

[Ryuji Yamazaki]

Funny thing, thats exactly what we need. Imagine that, a GM that signs a player to address a glaring deficiancy, what a novel idea

Oh, I didn’t know. Well that’s a plus then. Just play him sparingly 5 on 5.

 

[centipede2233]

How so?

Forsberg -48
Stamkos - 40
Marchessault - 42

We have three 40 goals scorers, a 80-95 point defenseman and a goalie that's averaged 4th in Vezina voting the last four seasons.

The issue I have with Nashville’s core is no cup teams have a majority of their core in their mid 30’s. The nhl is a young man’s league

 

[JPT]

Hey at least the guy trains his f***ing ass off




Edit: just realized this is an old video, but he still trains with the same folks and is, by all accounts, very fit

 

[DFC]

Stamkos played out his ELC and was an RFA for weeks before he got his deal. Hedman got his next deal after his ELC 7 months before it ended.

Their 2nd deals, Stamkos did the whole tour and took those big meetings in Toronto and with Leafs and all those Canadian CEOs and finally got his deal 2 days before being a UFA (he took less to stay in Tampa btw). Hedman a full year away from UFA he got his deal.

This time they barely negotiated with Stamkos and once again Hedman got his new deal nearly a year away from his current deal expiring.


I wont argue value to the team and all that but its odd the way they bow down to Hedman and disrespect Stamkos.

Have you even considered what Hedman is signing for? Given his value? By his third contract he was arguably the best defenseman in the league, and he took significantly less than Stamkos took (on a deal that was offered months prior).

I don't think they just don't like Stamkos as a person. He's not as valuable to TB as outside fans think, and that has been true since the 8.5m contract. Everyone forgets we won the first cup without him.

Hedman has been invaluable, and this is the first time he's made 8m. I don't think it's bowing down. I think they know a steal when they see one.

How so?

Forsberg -48
Stamkos - 40
Marchessault - 42

We have three 40 goals scorers, a 80-95 point defenseman and a goalie that's averaged 4th in Vezina voting the last four seasons.

Stamkos isn't going to score 40 unless somebody there makes plays like Nikita Kucherov. I would bet on 25-30.

 

[Soundgarden]

Bet you all 3 won't score 40 goals this coming season. Usage/Ice time will affect this and that's not factoring in two players on a new team.

Not trying to be negative. Preds should be improved and they are a threat to reach final 2 in the West. Got to put the "on paper" things aside and get to work.

Ok, we don't need them to all hit 40, but the fact that we have three 40 goal scorers from this season should signal an improvement.

Look at the past champions and compare. It’s a decent collection of guys but.. not contending status.

We added two guys in the top 15 scoring, I don't see how this doesn't put us into contending status.

The issue I have with Nashville’s core is no cup teams have a majority of their core in their mid 30’s. The nhl is a young man’s league

Well most, if not all, of our core is still playing well so it shouldn't be a problem.

Stamkos isn't going to score 40 unless somebody there makes plays like Nikita Kucherov. I would bet on 25-30.

Josi, ROR and Evangelista are all playmakers, I'm sure he'll figure out how to score without Kucherov.

 

[General Fanager]

Have you even considered what Hedman is signing for? Given his value? By his third contract he was arguably the best defenseman in the league, and he took significantly less than Stamkos took (on a deal that was offered months prior).

I don't think they just don't like Stamkos as a person. He's not as valuable to TB as outside fans think, and that has been true since the 8.5m contract. Everyone forgets we won the first cup without him.

Hedman has been invaluable, and this is the first time he's made 8m. I don't think it's bowing down. I think they know a steal when they see one.


Stamkos isn't going to score 40 unless somebody there makes plays like Nikita Kucherov. I would bet on 25-30.

Its not about the money Hedman got or Stamkos got. Its about the team making sure Hedman got a new deal long long before any of his deals were set to expire. While Stamkos was made to sweat it out until the last few days and this last time gave him an insulting lowball offer.

 

[JPT]

Ok, we don't need them to all hit 40, but the fact that we have three 40 goal scorers from this season should signal an improvement.

We added two guys in the top 15 scoring, I don't see how this doesn't put us into contending status.

Well most, if not all, of our core is still playing well so it shouldn't be a problem.

Josi, ROR and Evangelista are all playmakers, I'm sure he'll figure out how to score without Kucherov.

Nyquist also. Had 52 assists last season.

 

[Foppberg]

Ok, we don't need them to all hit 40, but the fact that we have three 40 goal scorers from this season should signal an improvement.

We added two guys in the top 15 scoring, I don't see how this doesn't put us into contending status.

Well most, if not all, of our core is still playing well so it shouldn't be a problem.

Josi, ROR and Evangelista are all playmakers, I'm sure he'll figure out how to score without Kucherov.

You're not listening to what people are saying.

 

[triggrman]

Have you even considered what Hedman is signing for? Given his value? By his third contract he was arguably the best defenseman in the league, and he took significantly less than Stamkos took (on a deal that was offered months prior).

I don't think they just don't like Stamkos as a person. He's not as valuable to TB as outside fans think, and that has been true since the 8.5m contract. Everyone forgets we won the first cup without him.

Hedman has been invaluable, and this is the first time he's made 8m. I don't think it's bowing down. I think they know a steal when they see one.


Stamkos isn't going to score 40 unless somebody there makes plays like Nikita Kucherov. I would bet on 25-30.

Stank is has done it without him before and we do have Josi and Forsberg

 

[DFC]

Ok, we don't need them to all hit 40, but the fact that we have three 40 goal scorers from this season should signal an improvement.

We added two guys in the top 15 scoring, I don't see how this doesn't put us into contending status.

Well most, if not all, of our core is still playing well so it shouldn't be a problem.

Josi, ROR and Evangelista are all playmakers, I'm sure he'll figure out how to score without Kucherov.

He will score, yeah. But I doubt it will be 40. Stamkos doesn't drive the play. And he struggles to find chemistry. In his time in the NHL, he found long term chemistry with exactly two players, and they are the coincidentally the two best forwards in team history.

Stamkos has had a great career, but the truth is there was a reason TB was so willing to let him walk. It wasn't just being JBB being a dxxk. Stamkos is still a good scorer but his 5v5 game is pretty bad these days. He's mainly a PP trigger man, and even there he's pretty frustrating with his decision making.

Not saying this to be negative. I think, in Nashville, he will start as a 60 point guy and then regress to 45-55. On the positive side, his conditioning should keep him in that range until the end of the contract. He will likely be one of the more productive 38 year Olds in the league if he's putting up 50 points.

 

[DFC]

Its not about the money Hedman got or Stamkos got. Its about the team making sure Hedman got a new deal long long before any of his deals were set to expire. While Stamkos was made to sweat it out until the last few days and this last time gave him an insulting lowball offer.

Was he? Stamkos was offered 8.5m months before he signed it. They didnt make him sweat it out--that was his decision. You can say they lowballed him, but then consider that hedman, by FAR the more valuable of the two, signed for 7.8.

Again. It's not bowing to Hedman. Hedman signs for less money than Stamkos, and he has been one of the most valuable handful of players in the league. He doesn't sweat anything because he just signs.

Stank is has done it without him before and we do have Josi and Forsberg

I honestly don't think you've watched Stamkos in a few years.

 

[Soundgarden]

He will score, yeah. But I doubt it will be 40. Stamkos doesn't drive the play. And he struggles to find chemistry. In his time in the NHL, he found long term chemistry with exactly two players, and they are the coincidentally the two best forwards in team history.

Stamkos has had a great career, but the truth is there was a reason TB was so willing to let him walk. It wasn't just being JBB being a dxxk. Stamkos is still a good scorer but his 5v5 game is pretty bad these days. He's mainly a PP trigger man, and even there he's pretty frustrating with his decision making.

Not saying this to be negative. I think, in Nashville, he will start as a 60 point guy and then regress to 45-55. On the positive side, his conditioning should keep him in that range until the end of the contract. He will likely be one of the more productive 38 year Olds in the league if he's putting up 50 points.

We don't need him to drive the play. We need him to be a 2C PP specialist.

 

[DFC]

We don't need him to drive the play. We need him to be a 2C PP specialist.

2C is asking a lot. Just saying. He's really a 3W these days. PP specialist, he is though.

 

[Soundgarden]

2C is asking a lot. Just saying. He's really a 3W these days. PP specialist, he is though.

Well, ROR-Stamkos/Novak-Sissons will be a lot better than what we had last year and even in the finals.

I really doubt he fell off so incredibly hard that he's a bottom 6 forward.

 

[DFC]

Well, ROR-Stamkos/Novak-Sissons will be a lot better than what we had last year and even in the finals.

I really doubt he fell off so incredibly hard that he's a bottom 6 forward.

Check his underlying numbers. He shouldn't have been on the 2nd line. And he struggled on the 1st.

But. He's still got the one timer. I think you guys might stick him in front.

 

[Soundgarden]

Check his underlying numbers. He shouldn't have been on the 2nd line. And he struggled on the 1st.

But. He's still got the one timer. I think you guys might stick him in front.

I think we can some how make do with Stamkos in our top 6, underlying numbers be damned.

 

[TheNumber4]

Preds are now good enough to dominate the Nucks if they meet again

 

[DFC]

I think we can some how make do with Stamkos in our top 6, underlying numbers be damned.

Maybe. Plays die on his stick a lot. If you can use him as just a shot, 5v5, we'll, Kucherov could sometimes.