Post-Game Talk: Nothing Out of Something

[Brutananadilewski]

Absolutely not. Day 1, he couldn't skate.

People are just now deciding to notice it because they need a relevant punching bag for attention and nobody is jumping in to defend Mika anymore.

I'm not asking if he could skate: I'm asking if the Aho hit and the subsequent knee problems (Especially after the Janssen hit) made things worse for him...because it's f***ing noticeable.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

What's hilarious if the Rangers won this game and played like Seattle did we'd be saying what a terrible win it was only a win because the other goalie sucked. We lose this and the entire team sucked and no one even mentions the goalie. Par for the course for this fanbase. Always the team no matter how badly the goalie played.

You obviously missed those posts -- because I've seen quite a few of them.

 

[effen]

I think the team does itself a massive disservice by not just playing honest hockey and relying on Fox and Panarin to do some woo woo shit.

You don't see Bryan Rust just post up on the wall and stand there like a doofus because Sidney Crosby got the puck in the D zone and maybe he can saucer a pass over 2 sticks to him. Guys on this team do.

That's my real gripe with Fox. His brilliance enables this kind of shit.

 

[TheDirtyH]

Absolutely not. Day 1, he couldn't skate.

People are just now deciding to notice it because they need a relevant punching bag for attention and nobody is jumping in to defend Mika anymore.

I get not everyone loves analytics, but Adam Fox has a 57.5 CF and 56.5% xGF

The next best Ranger defenseman is Miller at 51.5% for both and keep in mind Miller has played half his minutes with Fox this season. Without Fox those numbers are much worse. I just have a really hard time criticizing Fox when he is far and away the Rangers best defenseman and no one else is in the stratosphere.

The Fox focus can into view not because anything with him changed, but because another fleet of foot defensman surpassed him. The two other defensemen in Fox's atmosphere are Makar and Q.Hughes: literal phenoms as far as skating ability goes. And all that actually changed for Hughes was HE GOT AN NHL-CALIBER PARTNER.

Time was when Fox's average skating was something that endeared him to this board. We used to celebrate how out-of-this world the rest of the package was that a guy could be as good or better than any player at his position in the world and be smaller and slower than any name you might put in comparison against him.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

Lindgren and Fox both on for 5 goals against. Has to be close for some kind of Ranger Badge of Shame Record (?)

 

[Machinehead]

I get not everyone loves analytics, but Adam Fox has a 57.5 CF and 56.5% xGF

The next best Ranger defenseman is Miller at 51.5% for both and keep in mind Miller has played half his minutes with Fox this season. Without Fox those numbers are much worse. I just have a really hard time criticizing Fox when he is far and away the Rangers best defenseman and no one else is in the stratosphere.

We're all getting old. And the people who already were old are going senile.

It's like when we complain that the games are boring. It was probably never that fun. We were eight years old.

People don't actually remember every detail of Brian Leetch -- every up and down from every game. They remember him doing really cool shit. Him getting beat to a 50/50 puck isn't a relevant part of the memory bank.

People have no interest in "the team is good when this player is on the ice." They want to be fed constant highlights because "the guy I grew up with gave me highlights! I remember all of them!"

The only player in the league who is just constant highlights is McDavid.

 

[WojtekWolski86]

Yes, we should treat -at worst- the third best defenseman in the league like we treated a bust prospect that never meaningfully made it to the NHL.

Maybe nobody gets a pass? Sidney Crosby was the best player in the league and worked on his 2-way game. McDavid worked on his shooting. How about everyone can work on something? Fox can work on his shit conditioning. Or he can be like Kravtsov and work on nothing and age like milk left on the counter.

 

[Machinehead]

I'm not asking if he could skate: I'm asking if the Aho hit and the subsequent knee problems (Especially after the Janssen hit) made things worse for him...because it's f***ing noticeable.

I answered that. You notice it because you want to notice it.

His on-ice results haven't changed in a significant way, except goal-scoring, and he scored a bunch of goals last year after the Aho hit.

 

[Machinehead]

Maybe nobody gets a pass? Sidney Crosby was the best player in the league and worked on his 2-way game. McDavid worked on his shooting. How about everyone can work on something? Fox can work on his shit conditioning. Or he can be like Kravtsov and work on nothing and age like milk left on the counter.

He doesn't have shit conditioning. He plays 22 minutes a game in the NHL and constantly tips play in the right direction. That's something people made up because they visually don't like the way he skates.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Lindgren and Fox both on for 5 goals against. Has to be close for some kind of Ranger Badge of Shame Record (?)

Miller was on for all 5 goals against 2 weeks ago. Only goal he wasn't on for was the EN goal against.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

Send a f***ing message to Kreider already and scratch his ass. So tired of him never showing up game after game after game unless he gets 5PPs and is able to tip something. No f***ing emotion, nothing. Scratch and ship his ass out already.

There is still 4 players on the team that need to go.
Only three can be traded without their permission:

Kreider
Lindgren
Miller

They have to go.

 

[noncents]

I love that you just made up me hating Cuylle and you're just going to keep rolling with it.

Yes, I hate Miller and Kakko, because they stink.

Comparing that to Adam Fox is amazing.

you said cuylle stunk last year. you insisted it. if you're denying that, you're just lying.

now you're saying kakko and miller stink.

they really don't.

 

[Lion Hound]

This board hates Fox because he can't skate. Hates Kreider and Miller because they can. Hates Mika because he doesn't. Hates Lafreniere because he learned how to. Hates Kakko because he hasn't learned how to. And hates the goalies because they're not skaters.

The board hates to lose. I wish the players hated to lose as much as the board does.

 

[Brutananadilewski]

I answered that. You notice it because you want to notice it.

His on-ice results haven't changed in a significant way, except goal-scoring, and he scored a bunch of goals last year after the Aho hit.

So we're going to play down him being slower, not being as smooth with the puck in the offensive zone (How many times has he either glided or deked his way to the crease this season).

He also played like shit after the Janssen hit, and that has also been associated with Fox in the post-season: injuries.

 

[will1066]

I think the team does itself a massive disservice by not just playing honest hockey and relying on Fox and Panarin to do some woo woo shit.

You don't see Bryan Rust just post up on the wall and stand there like a doofus because Sidney Crosby got the puck in the D zone and maybe he can saucer a pass over 2 sticks to him. Guys on this team do.

That's my real gripe with Fox. His brilliance enables this kind of shit.

Won't go away overnight, but players need to stop cheating for offense and commit to responsible defense -- this was essentially stressed by Valiquette in the post game. In the presser, Lavi said positionally they were fine but it was the lack of execution, i.e., lifting sticks, blocking out, that type of stuff, that they failed to do.

 

[bleedblue94]

Fox is on pace for yet another 70 point season as a defenseman. His game has never been hitting so not sure why you care if he's "soft". His defense is fine and he moves the puck out of the zone better than most of the league. If you instantly want to have the worst defense in the league, then yes, trade him.

Yup points are all that matters. Heard that before. Remember when Panarin played perimeter hockey but got points vs Panarin today attacking the slot and getting points? You're actually going to reference points to me when we talk about effort and playing the correct way. Wow, exhibit A of enabling...

 

[Machinehead]

you said cuylle stunk last year. you insisted it. if you're denying that, you're just lying.

now you're saying kakko and miller stink.

they really don't.

Well I always said the latter, so I guess agree to disagree.

I never said Cuylle stunk. All I've really said is that this board drools over him a bit, which is true now! He got hot for a couple of weeks and people want to name him captain.

So we're going to play down him being slower, not being as smooth with the puck in the offensive zone (How many times has he either glided or deked his way to the crease this season).

He also played like shit after the Janssen hit, and that has also been associated with Fox in the post-season: injuries.

I'm saying you're wrong, so if you want to be generous and say I'm down playing it, then yes, I'm down playing it.

 

[noncents]

The board hates to lose. I wish the players hated to lose as much as the board does.

the board doesn't hate to lose. it just loves to bitch. there's a huge difference.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

The timing is certainly curious.

dock his pay!

 

[Machinehead]

Won't go away overnight, but players need to stop cheating for offense and commit to responsible defense -- this was essentially stressed by Valiquette in the post game. In the presser, Lavi said positionally they were fine but it was the lack of execution, lifting sticks, blocking out, that type of stuff, that they failed to do.

They can't do that. They'll never score.

This team doesn't have the talent to play a tight system and score goals at the same time.

That's an actual problem.

To say they could be great if they just stuck to it is extremely reductive.

 

[94leetch]

Getting rid of Trouba was a good start but they have a ways to go.
Patience I guess.

 

[ReddestRum]

Well. BERARD VS BEDARD

It's happening

Poor Sam

"Venkmann.. excuse me.. Vaakanainen, with the puck..."

 

[Fitzy]

They can't do that. They'll never score.

This team doesn't have the talent to play a tight system and score goals at the same time.

That's an actual problem.

To say they could be great if they just stuck to it is extremely reductive.

Torts rosters here somehow managed to score some goals. With zero puck movers. I don't count MDZ- he was forced in because he was the only blueliner in the organization with any edge ability on his skates. Unless we think that Gaborik, Prospal, Nash, Richards were significantly better at creating off the cycle, IDK if that's a perfect argument.

I think we'd be incapable of creating offense of the rush! But if we committed to dump and chase? Some players would benefit greatly, others would struggle.

 

[will1066]

They can't do that. They'll never score.

This team doesn't have the talent to play a tight system and score goals at the same time.

That's an actual problem.

To say they could be great if they just stuck to it is extremely reductive.

Obviously they need personnel changes to go along with that.

 

[WojtekWolski86]

He doesn't have shit conditioning. He plays 22 minutes a game in the NHL and constantly tips play in the right direction. That's something people made up because they visually don't like the way he skates.

Hold up. What does the total length of time have to do with conditioning? Conditioning is also how effective you are for the ~40-45 second shifts. His feet aren't moving anymore and he looks like he is laboring around the ice. That's either and injury or his conditioning. Just look at him lollygag on the empty netter and the frustration after. It looks like his mind wants to and his body won't let him. Has nothing to do with the WAY he skates. Has everything to do with how frequently it looks like he has nothing in the tank.

What made me came up with this assessment that its conditioning? Because he looks like's been stuck on the ice for a 2+ minute shift every shift.