Post-Game Talk: Nothing Out of Something

[JohnC]

This board hates Fox because he can't skate. Hates Kreider and Miller because they can. Hates Mika because he doesn't. Hates Lafreniere because he learned how to. Hates Kakko because he hasn't learned how to. And hates the goalies because they're not skaters.

The vast majority of posters here these days are dipshits that don’t know their asses from their elbows. Always blaming the players that keep the team afloat instead of the guys that are the worst players night in and night out.

 

[CLW]

You can't keep turning over the coach. The players will never be able to be held accountable.

The coaches are not holding the (vet) players accountable to begin with.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

You can't keep turning over the coach. The players will never be able to be held accountable.

I think we should do both. Ship out some players, and also get rid of the coach

 

[Lua]

I don't know. We had what was largely a positive game, and for once our cheap backup didn't bail us out. If he had made a couple of saves, we'd be popping the champagne over so decidedly righting the ship. We really, really needed a crucial save on the later goals. But Quick has earned a mulligan or two, so I'm not going to be pressed on a game that, while we should have won, represents another step in the right direction. There were positives, and recently there haven't been many.

Re: Fox, who is my favorite player since Leetch: Most of us here have watched every game of his career. To point at a chart and argue that the quality of his play is the same as it's always been, and that people are just now noticing his warts because the team is losing, feels weird and gaslighty. When he's on, it's completely unmistakable that he's one of, if not the best in the game at his position. And it's impossible not to notice that this year, he's... not been that. He has always been slow, but his positioning and gap control and incredible fundamentals have compensated for that. This year, he looks really, really slow, and his fundamentals—or at least his commitment to fundamentals—have been poor. His body language has always been a bit questionable, if that kind of thing matters to you, but he's looked straight up grumpy this year.

I'm not advocating for martyring him for the sake of a shake up. He can still turn it around. But he hasn't been himself this year yet. Lindgren is terrible and I'm sure a better partner would mask some of Fox's less-than-ideal play, but he isn't entirely responsible for it. Lindgren should still go yesterday though.

 

[will1066]

Is the backup job for the next few years going to be between Garand and Ollas?

 

[hackeyman]

The coaches are not holding the (vet) players accountable to begin with.

And part of that is already having a carousel of coaches. There's something wrong with the culture and chemistry on this team and a coach can't fix that when most likely the GM is part of the problem.

 

[hackeyman]

I think we should do both. Ship out some players, and also get rid of the coach

Drury needs to go before the coach does.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

 

[will1066]

I love their SKW championship belt

we have a lame fedora hat full of hair oil

 

[SnowblindNYR]

This is really the perfect game summary.

I wonder if he hit a 39 year old wall. I think he gave up 6 goals in back to back starts like two weeks apart. Or am I missing a game in there?

 

[will1066]

I wonder if he hit a 39 year old wall. I think he gave up 6 goals in back to back starts like two weeks apart. Or am I missing a game in there?

I was thinking the same thing. That Edmonton game.

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

I wonder if he hit a 39 year old wall. I think he gave up 6 goals in back to back starts like two weeks apart. Or am I missing a game in there?

That and, the rest of the teams been in a serious funk. Can't expect him to just escape that part of it. I'm giving him a pass on this one, just based on how good he's been so far in his tenure. Next one we need his head on straight though.

 

[will1066]

@SnowblindNYR 3:16 says your goalie just got his ass whipped

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

Time for an avatar vibe change. This game was the tipping point. Love you Lindy but it's time to move on

 

[grachevsceiling]

Cc: @Machinehead @bleedblue94

If you answer yes to the first question, as bleedblue did, it seems impossible to come to any meaningful conclusion about the cause of said laziness—at least from our vantage points as fans.

Anyway I copypasted this from Berkeley Well-Being Institute, which makes me lazy, industrious, or, most definitely, annoying. I’m posting it with a whiff of irony, yeah, but also I find the question interesting since it is the subtext of a lot of discussions on here.

Does Laziness Actually Exist?​

The concept of laziness is complex and often subjective, and there’s disagreement about whether it actually exists or not. Some people believe that laziness is a real personality trait, while others believe that it is simply a label that we apply to people who do not meet our expectations of productivity (Madsen, 2018). In addition, even if it is a legitimate concept, it's not easy to study because it refers to the absence of something, such as a lack of action or motivation (Madsen, 2018).

In his book “Laziness Does Not Exist,” social psychologist Devon Price argues that laziness is not a real personality trait. He contends that laziness is often used as a way to dismiss people who are different from us or who don’t meet our expectations. He also argues that there are many other factors that can contribute to a lack of motivation, such as depression, anxiety, and low self-esteem (Price, 2021). In addition, unfortunately, it’s not unusual to label people as lazy when they are simply not being given the right opportunities or resources to succeed.

Causes of Laziness​

Causes of laziness include:

• Human nature: Our nomadic ancestors needed energy to find food and to fight or flee when under threat, so we evolved to save energy.
• Lack of clear goals: When we don't have well-defined goals or a sense of purpose, we struggle to find motivation to work toward something meaningful.
• Overwhelm: When faced with a large number of tasks or a high level of stress, some people may become overwhelmed and resort to doing nothing as a coping mechanism.
• Burnout: Prolonged periods of overwork or stress can lead to burnout, which can manifest as a lack of motivation and energy to tackle tasks.
• Depression: Depression often looks like laziness. When it’s laziness, though, you’re typically able to do something, but you don’t. You just don’t want to. By contrast, a symptom of depression is that you’re unable to act even though you do want to. No amount of willpower will help (Antonatos, 2022).
• Self-doubt: Self-doubt can lead to laziness because it can cause people to feel like they are not good enough to participate in the world. This can cause people to retreat to the safety of their own space and feel that doing nothing is better than messing things up for others.
• Exhaustion: Sometimes we simply need to rest. Western culture pushes us to be “always on.” This isn’t sustainable. Some may view needing to take a break as laziness.
• Fear: A fear of failing, criticism, or rejection can paralyze individuals, leading them to procrastinate and avoid things they perceive as challenging or risky.
• Lack of discipline: Difficulty in self-regulation and managing one's time effectively can result in laziness. This may involve giving in to distractions or prioritizing short-term gratification over long-term goals.

In addition, you may feel lazy for lots of different reasons. Some of these include:

• Medical conditions: chronic fatigue syndrome, multiple sclerosis, rheumatoid arthritis, or thyroid problems, for example.
• Lack of meaning: feeling as though a task or your life has no purpose or meaning.
• Lifestyle: poor nutrition, sleep issues, lack of exercise, substance use.

 

[mike14]

I wonder if he hit a 39 year old wall. I think he gave up 6 goals in back to back starts like two weeks apart. Or am I missing a game in there?

The win over the Habs was between Edmonton and this one. So he's gone 0, 0, 6, 3, 6 in his last 5

 

[bleedblue94]

Cc: @Machinehead @bleedblue94

If you answer yes to the first question, as bleedblue did, it seems impossible to come to any meaningful conclusion about the cause of said laziness—at least from our vantage points as fans.

Anyway I copypasted this from Berkeley Well-Being Institute, which makes me lazy, industrious, or, most definitely, annoying. I’m posting it with a whiff of irony, yeah, but also I find the question interesting since it is the subtext of a lot of discussions on here.

Is it more helpful if in the context of a successful NHL hockey team and the work ethic needed to win a championship that this team is lazy?

Do I really need to spell out the context for the comments and tie together that we are talking about lazy in the context of successful NHL hockey teams?

Come on with this shit already.

 

[WojtekWolski86]

Everything is a bit subjective, but laziness is subjective to the point of losing all meaning. It becomes "anything I don't like."

Laziness, to me, is Zibanejad never playing though the puck. If contact is coming, he reaches for it every single time. Lafreniere used to do that and got better when he stopped doing it. I think Panarin is sometimes guilty of it with his pull-up play but not always.

Laziness is not Kreider doing something stupid with the puck. He just doesn't handle the puck well. Laziness is not the team blowing coverage over and over again. They just suck at it.

When Fox gets accused of being lazy, it's either a deficiency he just has (size, skating) or just a play he couldn't have done anything about.

Today's play with Bjorkstand was the perfect example. "Oh, not tying up his stick because he's lazy." He did tie up his stick. Bjorkstand set a target and Fox came in below to prevent him moving his stick down. You either tie up low or high; you can't twist your stick like a ribbon to take up both directions. The shot came high and hit a very small window between Fox's stick and legal height. Sometimes goals against just happen.

The laziness argument also exists in such a self-flatilatory bubble. Kreider has like 108 goals on tips. The conclusion is that he's pretty good at them. Not once have I heard a Rangers fan say "somebody should have tied him up." When we score, it's skill. When they score, we were too lazy. And believe me, if they could stop him, they would. Good players score.

Laziness is when you watch Kreider explode down the wing once every 10 games. I'll give him a pass for his recent back issues. When he's invisible it's because he's floating and waiting for the play to happen instead of attacking with his speed.

I think people have this image of Fox in last year's playoffs when he was laboring all around the ice leaving huge holes defensively and think its laziness.

This team gets outworked all along the boards. Its one thing for this team to be beat by faster opponents because the only thing they can do to correct that is better puck possession or play a structured system. Its the lack of engagement in the trenches that shows a resounding lack of effort.