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Boris Zubov said:
Correct, I think he's finding out he can't rely solely on that as much as he once did.
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I do not know if past injuries have effected him. Its possible the league has caught up to him a bit as well. If he gives 100% I will be happy though. The brain and instincts are there.
 
NickyFotiu said:
That is what I have mentioned for years and people get so upset. Fox tries to think the game in his end at times instead of moving his feet. It often works but its not something he should bank on.
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The risk is that he will keep getting caught as the season rolls on and as he gets increasingly fatigued, and by the time the playoffs roll around he'll be a wreck. Again. That's why stellar conditioning is extra important for a guy like Fox.
 
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Great headline lol you caught that

bleedblue94 said:
Why not? He's signed, they just ripped a player out of NY state that had clauses and Fox doesn't even have one.

Like the idea that he is local and he wanted to be here so we can't move him breeds entitlement and it's enabling to the cultural issues of this organization.
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He doesn't have nmc or ntc?
 
CLW said:
The risk is that he will keep getting caught as the season rolls on and as he gets increasingly fatigued, and by the time the playoffs roll around he'll be a wreck. Again. That's why stellar conditioning is extra important for a guy like Fox.
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People underrate how important conditioning is even at this level. I speak a lot about motors because few guys are going to excel in the playoffs if outworked. If Fox had a top flight motor he could overcome some skating issues. Sometimes I think he skates in a beer league way because he is almost embarrassed that he can't catch a guy.
 
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Boris Zubov said:
I think it's more about finding a mix of player who don't all play the same way. We're starting to see that with Will & hopefully Berard gets more than a cup of coffee.

However as it currently stands, we have an entire top 6 that is completely disinterested in forcing their way to the net & have basically checked out playing on their own side of the red line.
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We developed a culture a long time ago that permeated this core (Quinn, imo, absolutely has a lot to do with it, the vets could have killed his dog and got more ice time) where if you're part of the talent, you're not expected to have to play the right way, and if you're part of the crew, don't do too much. As opposed to having diversity in our lines and all 12 forwards willing to take what the defense gives them.

I agree with what you said about getting some different elements, but we kind of have it. They just all play together in the bottom six. We have the Marlon Brando lines and then we have the boom operator lines.

I know the team sucked when we tried jumbling the lines this year, but we need to commit to a different look and have growing pains with it.

It's not as simple as shuffling the lines, and front office moves will obviously need to be made, but if we keep the same ideology, any new acquisitions will fall into the same shuffle.

People talk about Brady Tkachuk. Guess what? When he's able to pull up at the perimeter and still play 21 minutes because he's a star, that's what he'll do. That's human nature.
 
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Machinehead said:
Laziness means nothing to me. It's a vibe. You can't measure it. Nobody will ever bring it up unless the other team scores.

He does suck at transition which is entirely related to not being able to skate.

I wish this team had a LHD who's good at skating, and like, maybe if we put them together, the Rangers would out-everything their opponents at 5v5.

Oh wait, we were doing that, and put him back with Lindgren for literally no reason.
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Laziness is a vibe?

Teams can be lazy and win. I brought that up in the past and people just cared that they won.

If you think effort and laziness are vibes then everything becomes subjective after that. Effort may not be tangible since you can't reach out and grab it, and that's kind of the point. So maybe you're right that lazy is a vibe, but vibe is culture so if you want a lazy culture than just accept a lazy vibe. It fits this organization/team
 
CLW said:
I'm not blaming the team's shit defensive game on Quick. Maybe he could have had one or two but Grubauer was total crap too. The chances Kraken scored on were all a result of collective shit defensive play by the Rangers.

- the first line, Panarin line reeked of ass today. Showboating shit hockey that usually is good enough to win against weaker team like the Kraken. Well, not today, and we know this shit hockey goes nowhere in the playoffs. Laffy was so bad tonight holy shit. They were -3 at one stage and deservedly so. I don't care that line clawed back a couple of more or less fortuitous goals to pad the stats.

- Housley's(?) d system is beyond a joke. Heads have to roll now it's been going on long enough.

- Mancini will be good. Miller looked livelier today in the o zone which was welcome but he still makes headless blunders. Lindy oh boy. I hope Vaakanainen gets healthy asap, but the root issues are beyond individual players mostly.

- The top two lines play "cheating" hockey hoping to stretch the opposition, but that doesn't work today when most all teams have D that can skate. It works against weak or checked out teams sometimes but not against strong teams. It would be an insult to ghosts to call Kreider a ghost.

- Fox has been found out, teams know to keep him to the outside and nothing much will happen. They know to play him physical. Pretty much the same as with playoffs Panarin.

- I continue to be less than impressed with Lavi, he has no answers and is responsible for a lot of the ills (d zone system etc etc).
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And yet you ignore the stats that say he was expected fewer than 2 goals allowed.
 
bleedblue94 said:
Laziness is a vibe?

Teams can be lazy and win. I brought that up in the past and people just cared that they won.

If you think effort and laziness are vibes then everything becomes subjective after that. Effort may not be tangible since you can't reach out and grab it, and that's kind of the point. So maybe you're right that lazy is a vibe, but vibe is culture so if you want a lazy culture than just accept a lazy vibe. It fits this organization/team
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Everything is a bit subjective, but laziness is subjective to the point of losing all meaning. It becomes "anything I don't like."

Laziness, to me, is Zibanejad never playing though the puck. If contact is coming, he reaches for it every single time. Lafreniere used to do that and got better when he stopped doing it. I think Panarin is sometimes guilty of it with his pull-up play but not always.

Laziness is not Kreider doing something stupid with the puck. He just doesn't handle the puck well. Laziness is not the team blowing coverage over and over again. They just suck at it.

When Fox gets accused of being lazy, it's either a deficiency he just has (size, skating) or just a play he couldn't have done anything about.

Today's play with Bjorkstand was the perfect example. "Oh, not tying up his stick because he's lazy." He did tie up his stick. Bjorkstand set a target and Fox came in below to prevent him moving his stick down. You either tie up low or high; you can't twist your stick like a ribbon to take up both directions. The shot came high and hit a very small window between Fox's stick and legal height. Sometimes goals against just happen.

The laziness argument also exists in such a self-flatilatory bubble. Kreider has like 108 goals on tips. The conclusion is that he's pretty good at them. Not once have I heard a Rangers fan say "somebody should have tied him up." When we score, it's skill. When they score, we were too lazy. And believe me, if they could stop him, they would. Good players score.
 
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In all my years as a high major DOBO I don’t think I’ve encountered a beat writer as clueless as ANY of the ones we have. How is this possible?
 
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Trouba was lazy. He can rah rah in the room all he wants -- the guy never did any hard work to play his position in his career. He just runs around trying to get his own hits and his own shots that miss the net.

Do you know how hard you have to work to be as sound as Fox is while being a pretty slow player, and while still being able to push the offense? His level of positioning is hard work. He doesn't just magically know where to be because high IQ.
 
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Machinehead said:
They have a passable enough partner on the team and won't even keep them together.
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Here’s the last two full seasons, and this year. People that want to trade Fox are insane.
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17futurecap said:
Here’s the last two full seasons, and this year. People that want to trade Fox are insane.
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People see this and say "hockey isn't played on #spredsheetz, I saw him do a specific thing on one play today that I didn't like" and then proceed to react to it for the rest of the season to the point where they keep seeing it because they want to.
 
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