The Norris hasn't been about defending for ages now. Otherwise Karlsson, Burns, Subban or Hedman wouldn't have won the award.
Norris Trophy Power Rankings: Rielly on top with gaudy offensive numbers
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NyQuil
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Defending hasn’t been about hits and blocked shots for ages now.
Keeping the puck as far as possible from your own net has defensive value.
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It's based on his offensive production which is undoubtedly inflated by that Toronto offense. He can be a finalist but he has no business winning.
Maybe the guy you had before Melnyk spent a bit to make them look real.
Can we get back to the discussion about the Norris? And Rielly being the frontrunner, due to the best performance of any Dman in the NHL since Lidstrom?
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you mean toronto maple leafs star. Second best ontario team dman in history.
Now, on to Rielly, think he'll get 2 points tonight? 3 points? With no goals against?
sounds about right.
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Who's #1 over Clancy? Kelly played forward with the Leafs and I'm coming up blank - unless I'm forgetting someone on the Senators.
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LOL, he played more seasons for the Senators, he won more Cups for the Senators.
Surely you have enough team history without trying to abscond with ours.
I wholeheartedly agree that he’s second to EK as second best Ontario defenceman in history.
Finally some common ground.
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It’s EK, who despite a slow start, is still in the running for Norris despite what @joedirte said - which is how this whole discussion started.
Tim horton is considered by many to be among the top 30 or 40 players in NHL history.
I mean, all I see are old videos, but "NHL history" is a long long time.
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I'd put Clancy over Horton pretty comfortably.
Edit: And I'm not going to entertain EK over Clancy at all.
Cute. Did you forget this not-so-subtle jab of yours from this thread?
"Maybe the best performance by a Leaf dman, or any dman playing for an Ontario team, ever."
It's borderline insane to even include him in the conversation with Clancy and Horton, or even Salming, at all.
Yes, I'm putting what Rielly has been doing so far this year, into perspective.
Or
“Leafs actually have a top 5 D, top 10 at the worst”
“Rielly plays with a boat anchor of a partner”
With this logic, Vezina candidates who have high SV%, wins, low GA should be knocked down a peg or two for playing on a strong team with good defense?
How do we adjust for that?
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LOL, Salming.
The only thing he and EK have in common is that they are Swedish.
Salming is the result of a team that has so little talent for so long that he stands out.
One First Team all star selection over his entire career. Even Mike Green has two.
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Salming. Forever known as "the King". Was always near the top of the league scoring, AND could beat the piss out of you. Take a skate to the face? No problem, I'll play.
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