Norris Trophy Power Rankings: Rielly on top with gaudy offensive numbers

[Paul4587]

You are simply underrating him which has occurred for his entire career on here.
He is clearly a top-end D. And he was last year as well. (53 points without PP time).

Nice revisionist history. Rielly had half his points on the PP last season and played on the top unit.

 

[Backhandbeauty]

A little bit of both.

yes, it's the best performance by a dman ever in Ontario, and best since Lidstrom.

I personally think no one will rival some of the performances Pronger put up. At his peak, he was the best we have seen in decades, IMO.

The majority of this thread is hilarious before it came to a halt for some mysterious reason. What changed?

 

[PB37]

You are simply underrating him which has occurred for his entire career on here.
He is clearly a top-end D. And he was last year as well. (53 points without PP time).

He lead your dmen in power play TOI per game last year. Do you not know your own players?

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

If Giordano keeps doing what he's doing, he will win easily. Playing on another level entirely right now.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

He lead your dmen in power play TOI per game last year. Do you not know your own players?

The most hilarious part is that almost half Rielly's points last year came on the PP.

For that poster to make it sound like he scored over 50 points without the benefit of the PP is beyond idiotic.

 

[RorschachWJK]

Is this some kind of new language? Or, like, some secret code? Where “53 points without PP time” translates into...

- 167 power play minutes
- 52 points
- 25 power play points?

Pwned! Now let's see the "creative" answer to that...or perhaps a disappearing act and a new username emerging

 

[OverTheLine]

Burns continues to pull away from the pack in terms of offensive production with a three point night tonight.

 

[JoeThorntonsRooster]

Why exactly is he never going to get that lead back? The Leafs offence (minus Mitch and Tavares) is struggling right now. Why are we to believe that Rielly cannot make up a two point difference?

Maybe now you understand. Burns is 10 points ahead. Rielly will be lucky to finish with as many points as Burns does assists.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

Burns has been pretty solid defensively as well. So I don't want to hear any of that "oh defensive liability" bs.

 

[TT1]

Burns has been pretty solid defensively as well. So I don't want to hear any of that "oh defensive liability" bs.

Yea he finally learned how to play D 12 years into his NHL career. His 65.2% ozone starts this season is a clear testament to that. People like to BS tho, that's true.

 

[Boy Hedican]

Yea he finally learned how to play D 12 years into his NHL career. His 65.2% ozone starts this season is a clear testament to that. People like to BS tho, that's true.

Why shouldn’t he? Why wouldn’t you want him shooting with his shot as much as possible? I don’t understand...

 

[TT1]

Why shouldn’t he? Why wouldn’t you want him shooting with his shot as much as possible? I don’t understand...

same

 

[JAS 39 Gripen]

Burns production is crazy, but when I saw him live a week ago I wasnt that impressed by his play without the puck. Small sample size, I know, but I still hold Giordano as the front-runner at the moment. They are the top 2 at least. If Burns ends up with 20-something more points, he should be a favorite.

 

[JoeThorntonsRooster]

Yea he finally learned how to play D 12 years into his NHL career. His 65.2% ozone starts this season is a clear testament to that. People like to BS tho, that's true.

In 2013, Jonathan Toews started 55.67% of his shifts in the defensive zone. He also won the Selke Trophy that season. Is he automatically a bad defensive player because of high offensive zone starts?

 

[TT1]

In 2013, Jonathan Toews started 55.67% of his shifts in the defensive zone. He also won the Selke Trophy that season. Is he automatically a bad defensive player because of high offensive zone starts?

yea 55% o-zone starts for a forward is a ton, you got me

 

[JoeThorntonsRooster]

yea 55% o-zone starts for a forward is a ton, you got me

Um, what? Are you trying to imply that defensemen should have more d-zone starts than forwards?

Do you think teams put out 5 defensemen for d-zone starts and 5 forwards for o-zone starts?

 

[TT1]

Um, what? Are you trying to imply that defensemen should have more d-zone starts than forwards?

Do you think teams put out 5 defensemen for d-zone starts and 5 forwards for o-zone starts?

are you implying that Burns is good defensively?

 

[hohosaregood]

are you implying that Burns is good defensively?

He's fine defensively but he's so incredibly valuable and effective offensively that there's no reason why they shouldn't use him in every offensive situation they can.

 

[KaseMeOutside]

Yea he finally learned how to play D 12 years into his NHL career. His 65.2% ozone starts this season is a clear testament to that. People like to BS tho, that's true.

If you're as good as he is offensively why the hell wouldn't you try to start him with as many O starts as possible??

 

[TT1]

He's fine defensively but he's so incredibly valuable and effective offensively that there's no reason why they shouldn't use him in every offensive situation they can.

Of course, hes great offensively. That said i don't think he's "fine defensively", guess we'll agree to disagree on that point. His offense can carry him to a Norris win tho, it's happened in the past.

If you're as good as he is offensively why the hell wouldn't you try to start him with as many O starts as possible??

Yea you're right, he's already at 65%.. might as well kick it up to 90% o-zone starts and hand him the Norris. Like you said he's great offensively, they should let the 2nd and 3rd pairs handle all the tough matchups/minutes, huh? That's the sign of a truly great dman.

 

[soliak]

Gio wins. Best D in the league this year. Not close.

Burns is a spastic in his own end.

 

[The Apologist]

Maybe now you understand. Burns is 10 points ahead. Rielly will be lucky to finish with as many points as Burns does assists.

Yup. Looking pretty glum for Rielly.

 

[Ivan13]

He's fine defensively but he's so incredibly valuable and effective offensively that there's no reason why they shouldn't use him in every offensive situation they can.

When the hive mind decides you suck you suck. I've been at it in regards to Barrie I don't know how many times. I'm puzzled at how hard it is to understand that you use players according to their strengths and put them in positions to succeed.

 

[Juxtaposer]

Hot take, Burns has actually been pretty good defensively this year.

I know. Wild. It doesn’t play into the “facts” parroted by fans who don’t watch him. Can’t possibly be true.

Side note: it’s pretty funny to see Leafs fans blame Rielly’s slump on Marner and Tavares. Almost like Rielly was leaching points off of them all along... Burns drives the Sharks’ offense. Rielly gets points from his elite forwards.

 

[HockeyDBspecialist]

Dear god...