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Norris Trophy Power Rankings: Rielly on top with gaudy offensive numbers

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NiL8r87 said:
The thread was made before the half-way mark, and Rielly had a legitimate case for being called the best defenceman up until that point. No one is arguing he's actually better than Karlsson or Burns. If the Norris winner was actually the best defenceman Karlsson would have like 6 or 7 of them by now.
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I disagree, Karlsson was not the best defenseman for 6-7 years. He put up eye popping points which got him that title. I think his defensive game has improved over the years but too many times the Norris goes to the highest point total defenseman which usually is not the best overall defenseman. Just like Rielly was not the best defenseman when he had a decent point spread over other defenseman. Now he has been surpassed in points and most likely will be by a few more defenseman. That still doesn’t change that he never was a top 5 defenseman at any time this year. Norris and Hart have always been a joke of an award.
 
NiL8r87 said:
The thread was made before the half-way mark, and Rielly had a legitimate case for being called the best defenceman up until that point. No one is arguing he's actually better than Karlsson or Burns. If the Norris winner was actually the best defenceman Karlsson would have like 6 or 7 of them by now.
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The thread might of been made before the half way point but the quote experts have voted half way point and voted him the choice for the Norris to this point. Just shows how bad the experts are. Again haven’t taken those awards serious since the Mario rip off. Always has been a popularity contest.

76 games 85 goals 199 points
78 games 54 goals 168 points

Who wins the Hart?

Sorry Mario said it best years ago. It is a garage league. Those awards have about as much legitimacy as the Heisman.
 
Fig said:
Not to take anything away from the other players, but what Gio is doing at the age of 35 is stupid ridiculous. It's crazy he's on par with these guys at the age where the average guy is considered washed up.
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I agree he is having an unbelievable season for his age. That wouldn’t surprise me if he was already an elite player before but he wasn’t. When Mario came out of retirement after 3 1/2 seasons away from the game and put up 35 goals and 76 points in 43 games at the age of 36 not many would be surprised but for someone like Gio to actually be playing better than he has in his prime that is amazing. Also makes me think it won’t last the whole year. Why is he so much better now than in his prime when he wasn’t considered a top 5 top defenseman back then? Does he really have that elite skill set? Just asking because I don’t see the West nearly as much as East coast games.

Letang is playing his best hockey of his career at 31 but he has played at this level at times in his career. Several years I thought he was a top 3 defenseman but his problem was always staying healthy enough to play enough games to be in the running for the award.
 
CrosbyMalkin said:
I agree he is having an unbelievable season for his age. That wouldn’t surprise me if he was already an elite player before but he wasn’t. When Mario came out of retirement after 3 1/2 seasons away from the game and put up 35 goals and 76 points in 43 games at the age of 36 not many would be surprised but for someone like Gio to actually be playing better than he has in his prime that is amazing. Also makes me think it won’t last the whole year. Why is he so much better now than in his prime when he wasn’t considered a top 5 top defenseman back then? Does he really have that elite skill set? Just asking because I don’t see the West nearly as much as East coast games.

Letang is playing his best hockey of his career at 31 but he has played at this level at times in his career. Several years I thought he was a top 3 defenseman but his problem was always staying healthy enough to play enough games to be in the running for the award.
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Gio was on track to have a season like this one in 2014 with Brodie as his partner and Hartley as the coach. However, a freak injury where he tore his bicep shortened his season. The subsequent year was an adjustment period while he healed.

Then he was saddled with Dougie so he sat back and was more defensive while Dougie focused on the offense in that pairing. Plus Gulutzan's system neutered many players offense.

This season, he was reunited with Brodie which allowed him to chip in offensively on a regular basis and Brodie would cover for him defensively. This and Peter's system unshackled players offensively.
 
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Fig said:
Not to take anything away from the other players, but what Gio is doing at the age of 35 is stupid ridiculous. It's crazy he's on par with these guys at the age where the average guy is considered washed up.
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Not unheard of though. At 35 Chara was fantastic,
 
It's Mark Giordano and it's not particularly close.

+36 on the year, his partner Brodie is +32 and they face the toughest competition in the league. Over a point per game. Terrific special teams play on both the PK and PP. He's captaining the 2nd best team in the league. Got where he is through sheer power of will.
 
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Giordano is having an amazing year. Perhaps most worthy for the Norris at this time. Lots of games to play but yeah I have to say with his production, PK mins, 1st pairing and 5 v5 mins. best D man thus far.
 
Love to see that Gio got 2 goals and 1 assist tonight and was +5

Great Captain, great leader, great guy off the ice too. Really hope he wins the Norris this year as he really deserves it.

EDIT: I forgot to mention that tonight was Gio's 800th NHL game.
 
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Given how things have gone so far, I would have no issues with Giordano winning it right now, even as a Sharks fan. By the end of the year, though, I expect Burns or Karlsson to be in the drivers seat for the award.
 
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jetsforever said:
Could Burns and Karlsson split some votes (i.e. hurting each other's chances)?
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I don't see how that would be possible with the voting system that is used to choose the winner.

The voting is conducted at the end of the regular season by members of the Professional Hockey Writers Association, and each individual voter ranks their top five candidates on a 10–7–5–3–1 point(s) system. Three finalists are named and the trophy is awarded at the NHL awards ceremony after the conclusion of the playoffs.
 
Josi was snubbed in 2014-2015 as a finalist. A bit was lack of name recognition, another part was almost surely due to "vote splitting" with Weber.

There's a certain human nature, if you thought that Weber was the top defender on the Preds, it would be harder to argue to yourself that Josi was worthy of another high vote. Likewise, if you thought that Josi was the best, it would be harder to justify voting his linemate so high. So they split it up.
 
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