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GDT: Non-Panthers NFL Discussion part 3: Meet the new season, same as the old season?

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Boom Boom Apathy said:
Dak has made a couple of perplexing throws as well. Seems like he didn't see a defender in both picks.
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Dak is a turnover machine. His decision making is highly suspect multiple times a game. He's a tougher Baker Mayfield with a better supporting cast.
 
The people who are shitting all over Dak are sad. Like I get it yeah he's a Cowboy who failed hard, lol hahahaha yeah but good luck replacing him Cowpokes.
 
Canes said:
The people who are shitting all over Dak are sad. Like I get it yeah he's a Cowboy who failed hard, lol hahahaha yeah but good luck replacing him Cowpokes.
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This is correct - along the lines of “who are you gonna get.” At this point, the roster isn’t all that great on the offensive side anyway. This is a playoff team - but no single unit is outstanding.
 
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Canes said:
The people who are shitting all over Dak are sad. Like I get it yeah he's a Cowboy who failed hard, lol hahahaha yeah but good luck replacing him Cowpokes.
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I dunno, he was pretty bad all night. Late in the game after SF had gone up 7, he had a really bad throw I think on 1st down that should have been housed for an untouched pick 6, and it was just dropped. Absolutely never saw the LB in coverage.

You can't make throws like that as a starter in this league. Certainly not in a playoff game. And in reality, the bad INT he threw late in the first half that turned what likely would have been at least a 3 point Dallas lead at halftime into a 3 point SF lead, that might have been the difference last night.

Reminds me a lot of Carson Wentz in Philly. Looked like the next legitimate superstar talent at QB the first couple years, and then the bottom fell out, plagued with an inability to stop turning the ball over that just got worse in Indy and Washington. Not saying the bottom is falling out for Dak, but this aren't good.
 
tarheelhockey said:
On that last play, what were they actually trying for? Maybe a lateral back to Prescott and it basically becomes a “screen” type of play?

Happy for McCaffrey. I’ll be cheering for the Niners to go all the way so he can get the spotlight he deserves. What a player.
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Agreed. That play was set up to fail from the start. Not sure what they were going for.

As for McCaffrey.... Hey good story, happy for him he's getting a run in the playoffs, but with all due respect this Eagles fan hope he gets his ass kicked this weekend. :)
 
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The better team won. Dallas has a good opportunistic defense. SF is even better but it's close.

On offense both teams have a good line the thing is without Pollard SF has only one thing they need to take away. Outside of Lamb the WR are....not good....and Scultz is nowhere near Kittle. All you're left with is a well past his expiration date Elliot with no explosiveness left....I'll give it to the man though he can get you those 2 yards every 3rd down.

Dallas did well to keep it as close as they did with a kicker yipping all over the damn field. They might even been able to win it if Pollard didn't go down.
 


Someone is going out in a blaze of glory

tarheelhockey said:
that last play, what were they actually trying for? Maybe a lateral back to Prescott and it basically becomes a “screen” type of play?
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That made no sense. Really that last drive was bad. Bad clock management, not knowing how to get two feet inbounds, not turning upfield to stop the clock.
 
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Svechhammer said:
Not saying the bottom is falling out for Dak, but this aren't good.
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Dakota has now had 7 years under center in Dallas. How long does he have to prove that he isn't a liability in big games?

Then again, they gave Tony Romo fifteen years, and Dak already has as many playoff wins as he did, so.
 
HisIceness said:
That made no sense.
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I agree. Trying to make it make sense:

- The outside 3 receivers on both sides of the field were clearly set up to be mini-offensive lines, like in a screen play. Logically the play must have been intended to get the ball behind them, because they weren't eligible to go downfield.

- The 2 inside receivers both ran routes, one of which was downfield into the teeth of the secondary and Prescott barely even bothered checking it. So there was virtually no other play than to #9's hitch route. This makes it a near-certainty that the play was designed as a hook-and-ladder to ultimately get the ball to someone behind #9, with screens set up on both sides of the field.

- #34 was clearly designated as a blocker in the backfield, but he was also quietly creeping up to potentially join the linemen on the right side of the field.

- At first I was really puzzled by the decision to have the RB snap the ball, as it forces him to stay and block (and in this case get demolished), which means there's only one guy on the field who can catch the lateral -- Prescott. This is confirmed by the way Prescott throws the ball and immediately runs up to get in position.

- I think the idea was this: hook-and-ladder play where #9 catches the ball, and Prescott runs up to catch the lateral. RB gets off the dirt ASAP, and runs over to the right side while the defense closes on Prescott. Prescott has his soul snatched by 3 linebackers while making a lateral to the RB, who now has 4 blockers (plus that WR upfield) to convoy up the right side of the field.

The TV angle makes it impossible to know where the Niners had their 4 deepest defenders, but we can see something of a 6-on-3 developing on the right side. If the play were perfectly executed, there's a chance the Cowboys get to the secondary with a shot at breaking it open.

To be fair to the rest of the team/coaches, #9 made it obvious as hell that he was running a hitch and fully expecting to get the ball, so that's just shitty route-running, and made even worse by having to jump for an unnecessarily high pass. No matter what they planned, it was going to get blown up by those two factors.
 
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tarheelhockey said:
I agree. Trying to make it make sense:

- The outside 3 receivers on both sides of the field were clearly set up to be mini-offensive lines, like in a screen play. Logically the play must have been intended to get the ball behind them, because they weren't eligible to go downfield.

- The 2 inside receivers both ran routes, one of which was downfield into the teeth of the secondary and Prescott barely even bothered checking it. So there was virtually no other play than to #9's hitch route. This makes it a near-certainty that the play was designed as a hook-and-ladder to ultimately get the ball to someone behind #9, with screens set up on both sides of the field.

- #34 was clearly designated as a blocker in the backfield, but he was also quietly creeping up to potentially join the linemen on the right side of the field.

- At first I was really puzzled by the decision to have the RB snap the ball, as it forces him to stay and block (and in this case get demolished), which means there's only one guy on the field who can catch the lateral -- Prescott. This is confirmed by the way Prescott throws the ball and immediately runs up to get in position.

- I think the idea was this: hook-and-ladder play where #9 catches the ball, and Prescott runs up to catch the lateral. RB gets off the dirt ASAP, and runs over to the right side while the defense closes on Prescott. Prescott has his soul snatched by 3 linebackers while making a lateral to the RB, who now has 4 blockers (plus that WR upfield) to convoy up the right side of the field.

The TV angle makes it impossible to know where the Niners had their 4 deepest defenders, but we can see something of a 6-on-3 developing on the right side. If the play were perfectly executed, there's a chance the Cowboys get to the secondary with a shot at breaking it open.

To be fair to the rest of the team/coaches, #9 made it obvious as hell that he was running a hitch and fully expecting to get the ball, so that's just shitty route-running, and made even worse by having to jump for an unnecessarily high pass. No matter what they planned, it was going to get blown up by those two factors.
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The biggest problem with Dallas....they are a poorly run organization. Too much meddling from the owner's box leads to this shit.
 
tarheelhockey said:
On that last play, what were they actually trying for? Maybe a lateral back to Prescott and it basically becomes a “screen” type of play?

Happy for McCaffrey. I’ll be cheering for the Niners to go all the way so he can get the spotlight he deserves. What a player.
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There were two O-linemen split out left … I imagine the point was a quick throw, and then a lateral back to whomever, with the two Jumbos on the outside blocking.

I get how bad it looked … is it any worse than the pitchie pitchie woo woo that inevitably goes backwards and ends up in a safety or a defensive TD? No of course not.

Then we’ve got people out there saying “why not Hail Mary???” 76 yards, that’s why.

People are the greatest.

MinJaBen said:
The biggest problem with Dallas....they are a poorly run organization. Too much meddling from the owner's box leads to this shit.
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To be fair, he and his son draft well. And we don’t know what “meddling” he does from the owner’s box. He’s actually had a recent history of retaining coaches, not firing them.
 
The key play of the game was one not made. A Cowboy had an easy interception that fell right through his hands, then the Cowboys thought they had a stop but had 2 straight D holding penalties and then SF scored.

Not saying the Cowboys would have won anyway, but that score was pretty much a back-breaker given how the 49ers D was playing.

I thought the Cowboy return guy was going to return the next kickoff all the way. He had a blocker on the guy on the outside and I thought he was going to turn it outside and go all the way, but he chose to turn it inside and ran into the kicker. Of course, that's all 2nd guessing on my part and it's easy to watch a replay and say that.
 
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Canes said:
The people who are shitting all over Dak are sad. Like I get it yeah he's a Cowboy who failed hard, lol hahahaha yeah but good luck replacing him Cowpokes.
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Problem with Dak is the cap hit is rising for him. $49 and then $52 mill the next 2 seasons. And like what Minny has done with Cousins can restructure but that would mean some more guaranteed money that you kick down the road.

As for replacing him, might have to take a swing at someone else and go cheap and use the cap savings to build up the roster. A guy like Rush has his limitations but if you use Dak’s cap savings to get another WR, OL, and add depth on D maybe that’s the way to go in the short term.

At the start of this season the nfl was 3/4 (23) first round QBs and 1/4 (9) non first round QBs. So the notion of just take a flyer on a guy later in the draft doesn’t really work out. I’m using Watson for Cleveland, but if we count Brisset we swap out Jimmy G for Lance.

Carr, Jimmy G, Hurts, Smith were second rounders.
Mills and R Wilson were 3rd with Mills set to lose his Houston starter job should they take a QB at 2.
Dak and Cousins were 4th rounders
Brady round 6.
 
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