GDT: Non-Panthers NFL Discussion part 3: Meet the new season, same as the old season?

[Svechhammer]

65 pass attempts in that game, if you're telling me that was the first time a defensive penalty happened on a pass you're a f***ing liar.

Absolutely decided the game. Right after similar bullshit decided the AFC Title. It's becoming really difficult to not think there is some kind of manipulation going on by the league, because that was grade A horseshit tonight.

We were all robbed of seeing Hurts with 90 seconds left a timeout and a 3 point deficit. That's what this game deserved and it's what should have happened. Maybe he takes it down the field, maybe, like in Super Bowl LII, there's a strip sack to seal it up. Who knows. But that's what the game needed.

Instead, Mahomes was gift wrapped the AFC Title and Super Bowl to sell a narrative that he's the next chosen one, and it's absurdly obvious.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

65 pass attempts in that game, if you're telling me that was the first time a defensive penalty happened on a pass you're a f***ing liar.

Absolutely decided the game. Right after similar bullshit decided the AFC Title. It's becoming really difficult to not think there is some kind of manipulation going on by the league, because that was grade A horseshit tonight.

We were all robbed of seeing Hurts with 90 seconds left a timeout and a 3 point deficit. That's what this game deserved and it's what should have happened. Maybe he takes it down the field, maybe, like in Super Bowl LII, there's a strip sack to seal it up. Who knows. But that's what the game needed.

Instead, Mahomes was gift wrapped the AFC Title and Super Bowl to sell a narrative that he's the next chosen one, and it's absurdly obvious.

At least Mahomes will have to deal with Hurts for many years to come. He's great and getting bebtter, and he'll win one at some point despite the shenanigans, I suspect.

 

[WreckingCrew]

65 pass attempts in that game, if you're telling me that was the first time a defensive penalty happened on a pass you're a f***ing liar.

Absolutely decided the game. Right after similar bullshit decided the AFC Title. It's becoming really difficult to not think there is some kind of manipulation going on by the league, because that was grade A horseshit tonight.

We were all robbed of seeing Hurts with 90 seconds left a timeout and a 3 point deficit. That's what this game deserved and it's what should have happened. Maybe he takes it down the field, maybe, like in Super Bowl LII, there's a strip sack to seal it up. Who knows. But that's what the game needed.

Instead, Mahomes was gift wrapped the AFC Title and Super Bowl to sell a narrative that he's the next chosen one, and it's absurdly obvious.

Let's not act like Philly didn't a couple pretty favorable calls early on. First there was the reception fumbled for an KC TD...which was ruled to be an incomplete pass despite having pretty clearly controlled the ball. And then a bit later the ball is fumbling in the guys hands as he steps out of bounds, that one ruled under control for a huge yardage gain.

Honestly heard the broadcast crew gushing more about hurts than Mahomes...dude is legit and really only had that one bad fumbled TD.

As a neutral observer who had no dog in the fight or team to favor, that was a damn close game back and forth...lots of big plays but not masses of penalties. At any point that game could have swung either way

 

[surfzone365]

Let's not act like Philly didn't a couple pretty favorable calls early on. First there was the reception fumbled for an KC TD...which was ruled to be an incomplete pass despite having pretty clearly controlled the ball. And then a bit later the ball is fumbling in the guys hands as he steps out of bounds, that one ruled under control for a huge yardage gain.

Honestly heard the broadcast crew gushing more about hurts than Mahomes...dude is legit and really only had that one bad fumbled TD.

As a neutral observer who had no dog in the fight or team to favor, that was a damn close game back and forth...lots of big plays but not masses of penalties. At any point that game could have swung either way

East Coast bias had to pay the piper in this one

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

At least Mahomes will have to deal with Hurts for many years to come. He's great and getting bebtter, and he'll win one at some point despite the shenanigans, I suspect.

And the AFC will be a gauntlet with all the good young QBs. NFC has Hurts and ???? Off the top of my head, Dak would be next? I guess Stafford if he ever gets healthy, but Hurts at least for right now, is on top by himself

 

[surfzone365]

And the AFC will be a gauntlet with all the good young QBs. NFC has Hurts and ???? Off the top of my head, Dak would be next? I guess Stafford if he ever gets healthy, but Hurts at least for right now, is on top by himself

Joe Burrow should be in the mix if Cincy can keep it together. Kid deserves another shot.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Joe Burrow should be in the mix if Cincy can keep it together. Kid deserves another shot.

yes, he's what I was referring to in the AFC gauntlet. Mahomes, Burrow, Allen, Lamar Jackson, Herbert, etc... Even Tua seems like he's starting to come around. I assume Deshawn Watson will play next year as well.... etc.... It's the NFC where I was thinking it was Hurts and not a lot of really good QBs after him.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Edit. I suspect this is not from last night and maybe staged

 

[Svechhammer]

Edit. I suspect this is not from last night and maybe staged

Definitely staged.

Mount bracket with no mount on the wall plus it still has the store display yellow sticker on the front

 

[Navin R Slavin]

Let's not act like Philly didn't a couple pretty favorable calls early on. First there was the reception fumbled for an KC TD...which was ruled to be an incomplete pass despite having pretty clearly controlled the ball. And then a bit later the ball is fumbling in the guys hands as he steps out of bounds, that one ruled under control for a huge yardage gain.

Honestly heard the broadcast crew gushing more about hurts than Mahomes...dude is legit and really only had that one bad fumbled TD.

As a neutral observer who had no dog in the fight or team to favor, that was a damn close game back and forth...lots of big plays but not masses of penalties. At any point that game could have swung either way

Everyone's gonna get calls one way or the other, but that call was tickytack, especially considering that holding happens on pretty much every play. That call literally ended the game. I didn't care who won; I just wanted an exciting finish. That call robbed us of that.

I miss the days when the first five yards from scrimmage were anything goes.

Can't say that Andy Reid sucks at clock management anymore, though.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

I would have to say the vast majority of videos these days are staged just to get views and reactions.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Let's not act like Philly didn't a couple pretty favorable calls early on. First there was the reception fumbled for an KC TD...which was ruled to be an incomplete pass despite having pretty clearly controlled the ball. And then a bit later the ball is fumbling in the guys hands as he steps out of bounds, that one ruled under control for a huge yardage gain.

I personally think both of those calls were correct given the rules of the NFL. I think the rules of the NFL are inconsistent though. In the first case, the rule, as explained by the rules guy on TV, is that you need 3 things: 1) control of the ball 2) two feet down 3) to make a "football move". He definitely had #1 and #2, but not #3. IIRC, the rules guy said right away it was not a catch.

In 2nd play, in super slow mo, to me it looked like he had bobbled but gained control a fraction before his one toe left the ground and then the 2nd foot came down in bounds, thus he had control of the ball and 2 feet down, even if it was a fraction of a second. Even if you might argue that control was a fraction of a second after his toe left the ground, it wasn't enough for a replay to over-turn it. The rules guy was non-committal on this one and admitted the replay guys had more camera angles and that it didn't look like enough to over-turn it.

My beef with the inconsistency in the rules is that in one situation, you need control, 2 feet down and to make a football move. In the other situation, you just need control and 2 feet down.

 

[WreckingCrew]

I personally think both of those calls were correct given the rules of the NFL. I think the rules of the NFL are inconsistent though. In the first case, the rule, as explained by the rules guy on TV, is that you need 3 things: 1) control of the ball 2) two feet down 3) to make a "football move". He definitely had #1 and #2, but not #3. IIRC, the rules guy said right away it was not a catch.

In 2nd play, in super slow mo, to me it looked like he had bobbled but gained control a fraction before his one toe left the ground and then the 2nd foot came down in bounds, thus he had control of the ball and 2 feet down, even if it was a fraction of a second. Even if you might argue that control was a fraction of a second after his toe left the ground, it wasn't enough for a replay to over-turn it. The rules guy was non-committal on this one and admitted the replay guys had more camera angles and that it didn't look like enough to over-turn it.

My beef with the inconsistency in the rules is that in one situation, you need control, 2 feet down and to make a football move. In the other situation, you just need control and 2 feet down.

Yea I don't disagree with the calls as made, but if they'd both gone the other way it'd be hard to argue/overturn as well. I think where the NHL fails in properly/evenly enforce even it's black & white rules, the NFL struggles mightily in it's inconsistency between rules and so much grey area for interpretation (i.e. what is control, what is catchable, what is too much contact)

 

[CanesUltimate11]

It was a good hold. A hold in first minute is still a hold in the last in my book. The size of the moment shouldn’t dictate if the refs swallow the whistle

I just don't like that a defensive hold is 5 yards and an automatic first down regardless of where it occurs. A hold 2 yards across the line of scrimmage on 3rd and 30? first down. Make it 5 yards and replay the down (unless 5 yards results in a 1st). If the call occurs past the 1st down sticks then it would be more reasonable to award the first as well.

 

[MinJaBen]

I just don't like that a defensive hold is 5 yards and an automatic first down regardless of where it occurs. A hold 2 yards across the line of scrimmage on 3rd and 30? first down. Make it 5 yards and replay the down (unless 5 yards results in a 1st). If the call occurs past the 1st down sticks then it would be more reasonable to award the first as well.

Maybe just don't hold the guy? All sports have some dumb rules and that one is as old as dirt.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

Maybe just don't hold the guy? All sports have some dumb rules and that one is as old as dirt.

And has never been called consistently in a hundred f***ing years. Just legalize holding.

 

[MinJaBen]

And has never been called consistently in a hundred f***ing years. Just legalize holding.

You want to kill the modern NFL? Cause that will kill the modern NFL.

 

[HisIceness]

The good news for the Eagles is they have a well-rounded team and should be competitive for years. I mean look at the rest of the NFC, lots of questions surrounding teams and their QB situations. Is Rodgers done? Has Dak peaked? Will Murray commit to his craft and not just be happy being good? Is Lance going to be healthy? Will the Bears give Fields some help? How long does Minnesota commit to Cousins? Ditto the Giants with Jones.

The Eagles should be fine. Yeah it sucks this morning but they are in a good place.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

The good news for the Eagles is they have a well-rounded team and should be competitive for years. I mean look at the rest of the NFC, lots of questions surrounding teams and their QB situations. Is Rodgers done? Has Dak peaked? Will Murray commit to his craft and not just be happy being good? Is Lance going to be healthy? Will the Bears give Fields some help? How long does Minnesota commit to Cousins? Ditto the Giants with Jones.

The Eagles should be fine. Yeah it sucks this morning but they are in a good place.

Should they? I thought I read somewhere that they have a lot of free agents and expected significant turn-over after this season. I don't follow them closely though so may @Svechhammer can shed some light?

 

[LakeLivin]

In looking at the replay I wish that the call hadn't been made because it didn't seem to significantly impede the route. But I find it hard to be very critical of the call in real time. You could clearly see the jersey getting pulled and an arm wrapped around the body. I just wonder how realistic it is to expect that the ref could, again in real time, discern that it didn't impede the route enough for him to overlook those clear violations? And it seems like lately the refs have much more often erred by swallowing their whistles and not calling some egregious penalties at the end of big games, so I can see them not wanting to repeat that again. Matter of fact, I'd be surprised if they didn't specifically talk about end of game calls at the officials meeting beforehand.

 

[MadeUpName]

That "hold" is made on 90% of snaps. None of which were called in this Superbowl until the call would decide the outcome of the game.

I don't believe in the conspiracy of it. I just feel robbed of the ending to a great game. Feels emblematic of why I watched nearly zero NFL this year.

 

[DaveG]

Edit. I suspect this is not from last night and maybe staged

staged, the timestamp on the video shows August 2021

edit: also see the dudes semi off-camera in the chairs. unphased. so it's either staged or those guys are completely high on something to that point that THAT wouldn't phase them.

 

[Svechhammer]

Should they? I thought I read somewhere that they have a lot of free agents and expected significant turn-over after this season. I don't follow them closely though so may @Svechhammer can shed some light?

Some turnover, yes. A bunch of guys are FAs, but not too many high impact guys. All faith in Howie Roseman to maximize the rest of the roster, and by and large the offense should not miss a beat next year.

 

[VaCaps Fan]

This J.Fields for Bryce Young shit is insane.

 

[HisIceness]

The Lions beat the Chiefs in Arrowhead on opening night. Even without Kelce that's pretty f***ing huge for the Lions.