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[TaLoN]

Walt Anderson: Gabe Davis catch should have been reviewed, would have been reversed

The final drive of regulation in the #NuttiestGameEver between the Vikings and Bills featured a sideline catch by Buffalo receiver Gabe Davis that appeared to be not a catch.

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That's the whole point of the offense hurrying before the booth gets a chance to look at it completely.
Not even worth wringing hands over. Every offense in the league would try to rush that next snap for the same result.

 

[Wild11MN]

That's the whole point of the offense hurrying before the booth gets a chance to look at it completely.
Not even worth wringing hands over. Every offense in the league would try to rush that next snap for the same result.

Wrong. It's an egregious miss by the NFL. Anything that is remotely questionable should be checked with under 2 minutes left. It looked incomplete in real time - that's easily enough to immediately stop it.

 

[Sad People]

Wrong. It's an egregious miss by the NFL. Anything that is remotely questionable should be checked with under 2 minutes left. It looked incomplete in real time - that's easily enough to immediately stop it.

Dont forget the 12 men on the field that they missed in OT as well.

Refs did everything in their power to give that game to the Bills and they still lost.

 

[TaLoN]

Wrong. It's an egregious miss by the NFL. Anything that is remotely questionable should be checked with under 2 minutes left. It looked incomplete in real time - that's easily enough to immediately stop it.

The booth has to have time to look at it first. I never want to reach a point where the booth hurries up to call for a review on every single close play without just cause. That's what would happen if they're asking for review without having had time to look at it themselves.

Everything went so quick, even the broadcast couldn't show a review until after the next play.

IMO it's a regular part of the modern game, racing to snap the ball before the booth can intervene. Sometimes you make it, sometimes you don't. It's smart football for the offense to try to take the booth out of it.

Dont forget the 12 men on the field that they missed in OT as well.

Refs did everything in their power to give that game to the Bills and they still lost.

Yet, the Vikings directly benefitted from a PI against the Bills in which JJ was the only one making contact on that last scoring drive of the 4th qtr.

Missed calls went both ways. I didn't think the refs were that bad myself.

 

[Wild11MN]

Agree to disagree I guess. They stop it for way less than that all the time.

And that looked like an obvious PI to me on the Bills too. The dude ran directly into him without looking for the ball.

Edit: I now see you're referencing the 4th quarter for the PI, the one I thought you were referring to was in OT. I don't remember the call you're referring to.

 

[Sad People]

Yet, the Vikings directly benefitted from a PI against the Bills in which JJ was the only one making contact on that last scoring drive of the 4th qtr.

Missed calls went both ways. I didn't think the refs were that bad myself.

Youll have to show a replay because i dont recall that one bit.

Missed helmet to helmet against Hock that knocked him out of the game for a bit.

Missed 12 men on the field in OT

Missed 2-3 holding calls against JJ all game

Missed call on the incomplete play to Gabe Davis.

Thats all that comes to my mind right off the bat.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Rushing to the line on a stopped clock after a play like that is a tell that they play should probably be reviewed.

You can't take challenges away from coaches in the final 2 minutes and then say "welp, they went a little too fast for us".

 

[Sad People]

Agree to disagree I guess. They stop it for way less than that all the time.

And that looked like an obvious PI to me on the Bills too. The dude ran directly into him without looking for the ball.

You made me remember that a little bit more and from what i remember youre right, Bills defender didnt even try and make a play on the ball, just ran directly into him. I'd have to see a replay to be 100% sure but i do vaguely remember that one.

 

[Wild11MN]

You made me remember that a little bit more and from what i remember youre right, Bills defender didnt even try and make a play on the ball, just ran directly into him. I'd have to see a replay to be 100% sure but i do vaguely remember that one.

That was in OT now that I remember it, so I'm not sure if that's what Talon was referring to.

 

[TaLoN]

Rushing to the line on a stopped clock after a play like that is a tell that they play should probably be reviewed.

You can't take challenges away from coaches in the final 2 minutes and then "welp, they went a little too fast for us".

That happens A LOT, most of them, the offense is worried about nothing anyway. I'd rather not introduce another 2-3 reviews taking 5-10 minutes each at the end of every game.

 

[TaLoN]

You made me remember that a little bit more and from what i remember youre right, Bills defender didnt even try and make a play on the ball, just ran directly into him. I'd have to see a replay to be 100% sure but i do vaguely remember that one.

No, the one I was talking about, both players jumped... JJ had both hands on the defender's chest pushing off, but he did it too hard and caused himself to fall backwards. The ref was behind JJ so he thought the defender jumped into him, we got a free spot foul first down.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

That happens A LOT, I most of them, the offense is worried about nothing anyway. I'd rather not introduce another 2-3 reviews taking 5-10 minutes each at the end of every game.

That's a 90 second review at most.

 

[Sad People]

No, the one I was talking about, both players jumped... JJ had both hands on the defender's chest pushing off, but he did it too hard and caused himself to fall backwards. The ref was behind JJ so he thought the defender jumped into him, we got a free spot foul first down.

I’ll have to look for the play tomorrow.

 

[TaLoN]

That's a 90 second review at most.

You underestimate the NFL's ability to drag out reviews.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

You underestimate the NFL's ability to drag out reviews.

Not really. I did watch 2 of them at the end of the 4th quarter. Those were longer ones, and probably rightfully so.

If they're going to exist, they need to be properly utilized.

It's not a judgment call, it's a procedural issue.

 

[TaLoN]

Not really. I did watch 2 of them at the end of the 4th quarter. Those were longer ones, and probably rightfully so.

If they're going to exist, they need to be properly utilized.

It's not a judgment call, it's a procedural issue.

I still say, the booth should only call for reviews on plays they see reason for. If they haven't had time to look, don't stop it, or every sideline play would be stopped... because it's close, right?

No thanks. You need to give the game the "chance" to flow, or the breaks are going to give defenses rest the offense doesn't want them to have.

 

[Wild11MN]

I still say, the booth should only call for reviews on plays they see reason for. If they haven't had time to look, don't stop it, or every sideline play would be stopped... because it's close, right?

No thanks. You need to give the game the "chance" to flow, or the breaks are going to give defenses rest the offense doesn't want them to have.

Well even the NFL disagrees with you.

 

[TaLoN]

Well even the NFL disagrees with you.

They don't though. That's why the booth has to see it before they can stop it.
I'm just saying current procedure is good enough.
Was the call missed? Of course it was... but no matter how you slice it, a perfectly called gene will never exist. You need a balance of striving for perfection without overly disrupting the game.

 

[Wild11MN]

They don't though. That's why the booth has to see it before they can stop it.
I'm just saying current procedure is good enough.

What? They put out a statement saying it should have been stopped and reviewed.

 

[TaLoN]

What? They put out a statement saying it should have been stopped and reviewed.

Yes, because it was close. They're saying that after the fact though, and they're not going to change the procedure in place requiring the booth to see cause first.
It's still coming down to a race of the offense vs the booth.

 

[Wild11MN]

Yes, because it was close. They're saying that after the fact though, and they're not going to change the procedure in place requiring the booth to see cause first.
It's still coming down to a race of the offense vs the booth.

The Senior VP of officiating said if the replay official cannot confirm it's a catch before the next snap, they need to stop the play. There's no way they could have confirmed it was a catch in that amount of time (as you said), which means the play needs to be stopped.

 

[TaLoN]

The Senior VP of officiating said if the replay official cannot confirm it's a catch before the next snap, they need to stop the play. There's no way they could have confirmed it was a catch in that amount of time (as you said), which means the play needs to be stopped.

Why wasn't Gabe Davis' critical catch in Bills-Vikings reviewed? NFL VP says it 'would have been reversed' | Sporting News

Davis made an improbable catch. But replay seems to show the ball was out. The Bills did not give officials time to review the play.

www.sportingnews.com

After the game, NFL Senior VP of Officiating Walt Anderson said officials should have stopped to review the play, and said the league will be analyzing video and audio of the crew to determine why it wasn't. Anderson confirmed that had officials looked at the play, it would have been overturned.

"We were able — several plays after — to look at all the angles," Anderson told pool reporter Lindsay Jones. "It would have been reversed to an incomplete pass because he did not maintain control of the ball after he hit the ground and the ball touched the ground out of bounds."

No, they don't stop every play to confirm on video before each snap. That only happens on scoring plays and turnovers.

Every other play type, only after the both looks and sees cause so as not to disrupt the game flow without cause.
That's why every game, there's at least 1 or 2 plays the offense will race to snap before the booth can get involved.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

You don't need to officially stop play either. The ref just needs to stand over the ball with this one hand up for 5-10 seconds and then go from there. If the booth ends up wanting to review, you blow it dead. If they don't, you hop on out of there.

 

[Wild11MN]

Why wasn't Gabe Davis' critical catch in Bills-Vikings reviewed? NFL VP says it 'would have been reversed' | Sporting News

Davis made an improbable catch. But replay seems to show the ball was out. The Bills did not give officials time to review the play.

www.sportingnews.com

No, they don't stop every play to confirm on video before each snap. That only happens on scoring plays and turnovers.

Every other play type, only after the both looks and sees cause so as not to disrupt the game flow without cause.
That's why every game, there's at least 1 or 2 plays the offense will race to snap before the booth can get involved.

The article you quoted has it.



"If the replay official can't confirm it was a catch on that long of a completed pass, we should stop play to ensure it is a catch."

 

[TaLoN]

You don't need to officially stop play either. The ref just needs to stand over the ball with this one hand up for 5-10 seconds and then go from there. If the booth ends up wanting to review, you blow it dead. If they don't, you hop on out of there.

That's how it's handled on scoring plays and turnovers, this was neither. The league has different rules for such situations for good reason IMO.